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Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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I want in. It's never too early to be wrong about fantasy football.

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My bad. PMed it to you now.

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ODB deserves to be the 1.01 pick for this alone.

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1.10 Dez Bryant
2.03 Devonta Freeman


Even after his injuries, I doubt I'll be dropping Dez any in my rankings. He's just too good at finding the end zone and ought to get fed in year 2 of the Dak Prescott Era.

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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RisqueBarber posted:

I hope you're right but I think Dak will have an RG3 kind of second year
What worries you about Dak? Dallas' system offers a lot of stability and protection for him so I'm not real worried about regression. Plus he didn't destroy his knee like RG3 did.

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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Sataere posted:

I think third round is an acceptable spot to take rookies. Taking Zeke in the first last year was nuts, despite the results.
Taking Zeke in the first last year was based on correctly evaluating his talent and ideal landing spot. That isn't the case with all highly drafted RBs and it's definitely worlds apart from being on the Jags. I like Fournette's talent, but joining a dysfunctional offense led by Blake Bortles and Doug Marrone gives me a lot of concerns about Fournette's value as a rookie. Third round ADP seems too risky for me.

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Apr 30, 2006

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Sataere posted:

It's a fair point. I liked Zeke last year, I just didn't like his ADP. The problem with evaluating rookies in fantasy is there are do many factors we don't know. Dumb coaching can really get in the way of talent, because "rookies gotta earn it" or some such bullshit.

My concerns weren't talent related, but opportunity. Jordan Howard is a perfect example of this. His numbers last year should've been way better, but bad coaching limited his opportunities.

But I tend to be more risk-averse with my first pick.
Oh wow I completely spaced that you were the one to take Howard in the first. What's your case for him being a first rounder this year? That offense is completely barren aside from Howard and the idea of taking an RB on a team with one of the lowest projected win totals for 2017 seems incredibly risky to me.

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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I like Pryor's situation on paper... but I still get a bad feeling about him. His game logs don't seem too concerning aside from 3/4 TDs basically coming in the first month. But Cleveland's evaluation of him dropped considerably by the end of the year. There was talk in early October that Pryor was one of their rare few untouchables in trade talks but then the offseason comes and they basically pegged Pryor and Kenny Britt as roughly the same value. Struck me as weird. Also weird was the ire he was drawing from cornerbacks around the league, like he was talking poo poo a lot more than others. Makes me think there's an ego issue there, the "thinks he's better than he actually is" kind. I'm worried about the risk of him not meshing well with a new coaching staff.

As for my picks...

3.10 Sammy Watkins
A risky pick in the third but easier to swallow in bestball formats. I would've taken Keenan Allen if he had fallen one more pick. I normally like to avoid receivers with foot issues but I wasn't entirely sold on any of the other top guys available here. A healthy Watkins can dominate and play against the best cornerbacks in the league. He can put together some truly explosive days so I just need to build on my depth to help protect against any setbacks he might incur.

4.03 Joe Mixon
Joe Mixon is a bad person but goddamn did he land in an ideal spot. Immediately relegates Jeremy Hill to backup/tradebait and he's great on passing downs too so I don't expect a pure committee with Gio either. I think he'll be one of the offensive focal points on the Bengals and the top rookie RB. RB1 upside.

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Apr 30, 2006

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Sataere posted:

I'm not sure how I feel about Brady. On the one hand, there is no denying he has been dominant. On the other hand, I worry that Roger Goodell found the painting he has been hiding in his attic.
I kinda feel like if I just took Brady in the 1st and autodrafted the rest, I would still have at least an 80% chance of making the playoffs.

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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I wish Kelce had gone earlier so I'd feel less bad about not drafting him. I was all about targeting Gronk or Reed early last year in redraft leagues since I thought there was a huge dropoff after them in terms of PPG. This year it'll probably be Gronk/Reed/Kelce as my top targets but I'm not in love with any of them this time. Kelce had his huge monster second half but was pretty underutilized by the KC offense prior to that so part of me worries he won't repeat as a Top 3 play. But he's probably still the safest bet.

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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5.10 Emmanuel Sanders
One of them "reliable vet with solid floor" picks. I thought he was a solid value at the bottom of the fifth and I felt like I needed a guy like him after swinging for the fences with a few of my picks so far.

6.03 Matt Ryan
Getting Ryan as the 7th QB off the board felt like great value to me. I know he doesn't have Shanahan as his OC any more but Ryan still has a ton of weapons in that offense and ought to know what to do with them. I think he still has a decent chance to repeat as a Top 3 QB. Could wait longer at QB but sixth round felt like a good time to make a move like this.

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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7.10 Desean Jackson
An excellent complement to Mike Evans in TB, I think he's in for another solid season. Always good in best ball, I think he'll be a more reliable option in redraft leagues this year as well.

8.03 Martellus Bennett
He may have gone later but I like this spot, grabbing him as the 9th TE off the board. I'm imagining all those DFS lineups with Jared Cook in last season's playoffs, only this time it's Black Unicorn and it's even better.

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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Leperflesh posted:

I would say that first and second round TE draft picks frequently make a meaningful contribution. My gut feel is that they bust no more often than other 1st and 2nd round rookies bust.
I would disagree with your conclusion. Only three guys exceeded 500 yards (Gronk, Keller, Carlson) and only three exceeded 4 TDs (Henry, Gronk, Carlson). You might get a spike week from a rookie here or there but what's Njoku's realistic ceiling in year 1? Like 400 yards and a couple TDs? It's not that guys are busts as rookies; TE is just one of the harder offensive positions to make an immediate impact. Even Gronk looks pretty human aside from his Gronk-ian rate of scoring TDs. They need to stand out as reliable red zone weapons to be fantasy relevant. OJ Howard MIGHT do that; he's the best TE to come out in years and landed with the best QB of the bunch. Still wouldn't take him in the top 10 rounds though. And I'm highly doubtful that Njoku or Evan Engram will make impacts as fantasy players even though I think both can turn in solid rookie campaigns from just a regular football perspective.

Drunk Nerds posted:

I did.

Carson Wentz is going to improve, there will be attention on Jeffries. Matthews feels like a safe bet for 800+ yards and a few weeks with a td or two. I don't like John Brown, that new charger guy, Cobb, Ross, Marquis, Meredith, nor Thielen, but I think I needed a 4th wr because that's my weak spot. So Matthews felt right. Feel free to tear me apart, constructively, that's why we do these early exercises

I almost picked DeAngelo Williams because i have LeVeon. I was really close, then I did some googling and found out that Williams is no longer a steeler.
Jordan Matthews will turn out to be a fine pick.

After he's traded to the Ravens.

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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Leperflesh posted:

I think you and I might have different expectations for how a TE outside of the top five guys in the league can be anticipated to perform.
What about the Top 15 TEs? Cause I mean a 57/552/4 line would be a great rookie line for Njoku. But then that was only TE15 in PPR last year (TE18 in standard). So I just don't see the upside there.

I feel MFL ranked the rookies way too high relative to the non-elite veterans. There's still a sizable gulf between those tiers and I think the "shiny new toy"-ism of the rookies can lead someone into a trap.

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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Drunk Nerds posted:

yeee. although, I didn't know that they had actual rankings, I've just been sorting by ADP
Actually I think I misspoke. I was thinking of the ADP sorting; yeah those aren't rankings. Guess I just thought "someone had to have ordered these guys this way cause there's no way three rookies should be going this high."

Seriously there are like ten names left that I would still take over Evan Engram at this point. And Jason Witten is even lower than Adam Shaheen and Tyler Higbee for gently caress's sake!

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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I dig the Garçon/Rishard Matthews picks. Really underrated players at their current ADPs. Could even rise a round or two before real drafts start and still be worth it.

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9.10 Samaje Perine
https://twitter.com/ScottBarrettDFB/status/864608552085835776
I don't put any stock in Rob Kelley's status as the incumbent. He's a former UDFA they got lucky with but nothing more than an average talent really. They seem pretty high on Perine right away so I believe the starting job will be his easily. Which should translate to some nice volume on an above-average offense.

10.03 Frank Gore
Old man Gore keeps trucking along. The Colts drafted Marlon Mack to add a homerun element to their backfield which will hurt Gore's volume some but I'll never doubt Gore until he actually retires. Should still offer a solid floor week-to-week.

Victims of the uncertainty surrounding the lesser RB talent, I think both will see their ADPs rise quite a bit before real drafts.

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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I want to believe in Charles still... but Chiefs doctors were apparently recommending he should retire. :(

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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Thielen, Doyle, and Ebron are all good value this round.

I really hope Doyle's ADP can stay this low. It's still early but so far, he's one of my favorite targets when waiting on TE. Ebron is also a better target this year than last. Still think it'll be more like another incremental gain than true jump to breakout status but he'll bring real TE1 upside this year.

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Ebron's red zone target share isn't great is my only hangup with him now. That'll probably keep him out of the Top 5 even if he's healthy. If the RBs weren't as involved in the Lions passing game as they are, his TD upside would be much higher. But things are spread too thin between all the position groups.

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Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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11.10 Tyrell Williams
He had a 69/1059/7 line as a second year player. I don't exactly know how the Chargers WR shares will be divided but I would be surprised if Tyrell wasn't a big part of their passing game again.

12.03 Cameron Brate
Had the same number of red zone targets as Mike Evans (19) last year. Even with the addition of OJ Howard, I think Brate is an ascending talent who has real chemistry with Winston. Brate can play as the F type TE while Howard works more inline. Howard is a far superior blocker and the Bucs like to use plenty of 2TE sets. I'm a believer in Brate remaining a meaningful piece of this offense while Howard is a rookie.

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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I try to take these slow drafts as seriously as possible but I'm far more interested in the process than the end result. It is literally impossible for me to care enough to draft multiple kickers. I just can't do it.

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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Just a deep sleeper that I like enough to write a blurb about. There's always a guy left that I feel is worth mentioning.

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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Hooray no kickers!

Also I wonder how much the Joe Williams hype narrative will push up his ADP. Offers real nice upside in the 12th but has already been talked up by fantasy twitter so I worry that could rise to a more unreasonable level later in the summer. I'm sure Shanahan will find ways to use him even if Hyde is healthy but I'd probably bet against Williams being ready for feature back duties in 2017 so I don't think he overtakes a healthy Hyde. It's a good thing Hyde is one of the more injury prone backs in the league though.

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Apr 30, 2006

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13.10 Sam Bradford
Pickings for QB2 are looking real slim so I decided to just grab the best QB on the board. Then I got concerned that Brian Hoyer might be injured by Week 5 so I grabbed Sam Bradford instead. Whatever Matt Ryan will just put up Top 5 numbers every week.

14.03 Curtis Samuel
The dual-threat rookie joins an offense, and specifically a group of receivers, that underwhelmed last year and lost Ted Ginn (52/754/4 last year) in the offseason. I think Cam bounces back but I'm still underwhelmed by the veteran receivers so I do think Samuel will carve out a meaningful role as a rookie. The offense needs playmakers and he's definitely a playmaker. Over 1600 yards from scrimmage with 15 TDs in college last year and ran a 4.31 forty. He's supposed to play a lot of slot where they'll depend on his ability to create plays after the catch and they can also get the ball in his hands on jet sweeps/end arounds or even line him up in the backfield. And with 4.31 speed, I think he'll be used on deeper passes that Ginn would run. Panthers took him 40th overall so they're definitely high on his potential. And while I hate to be all "He's 2017's version of Tyreek Hill!" he checks a lot of those boxes for me and you don't need to match Hill's ridiculous TD rate to be valuable.

Tiptoes
Apr 30, 2006

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Hooray I drafted some dudes!

15.10 Chris Thompson
Even in half-PPR, I ought to be able to steal a few top 24 weeks with Thompson. I would be less enthused about him in redraft leagues as he's largely a passing down specialist but they'll use him on some key plays and in the red zone. More likely to make appearances in DFS lineups than my season-long teams but I think there's solid value to this pick.

16.03 Robert Woods
He's already getting talked up as a breakout player. I'm not sure I buy it as he's probably miscast as a #1 for the Rams but lots of opportunity there with him potentially seeing as many as 100-120 targets. Jared Goff looked like a dude who wasn't ready for the major leagues last year and I don't know if he will be in this upcoming season so that's the big X factor here but this early in the process, I like to gamble on upside. Figure I'll have a better feel for this situation later in the summer.

Tiptoes
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17.10 Jimmy Garoppolo
It's a longshot but I wasn't fully satisfied with my QBs. I mean Brady has his pact with the devil so it's doubtful Jimmy G starts any games. But if he does, he could put up elite QB1 numbers in that system. The Pats offense is loaded and he can run that system with no limitations.

18.03 Oakland Raiders
I immediately regret this decision.

19.10 Jerick McKinnon
He is now the "useful vet on passing downs" for the Vikings or at least he has the most experience with their offense. Also currently splitting first team reps with Dalvin Cook because Murray is still recovering from offseason ankle surgery. I'm not a believer in Murray and think Cook will pressure him for early down work and McKinnon will play the biggest role on passing downs.

20.03 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Cheap option in the 20th round but they're still a young defense that had decent streaming value last year. Think the unit can take a step forward this season.

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Leperflesh posted:

Dream of Crabtree-Fournett-Cation/Drunk Nerds

Leperflesh posted:

The Glennophant Man/Sataere

These are my two favorite teams. Drunk Nerds has A+ players at QB/RB/TE. WR group is solid but not impressive like his other positions. There's probably enough depth there to provide consistent numbers. Good mix of undervalued ADP guys and best ball performers like Ginn/Nelson/Fuller. Sataere's team is just really well balanced everywhere. Not sure you needed to go three deep at all three of QB/TE/DEF though. I would have favored another RB/WR over Glennon. I feel like you could've used another WR; I worry about health issues for Brown/Diggs potentially leaving you short-handed over the course of the season.

Leperflesh posted:

Fantasy Fartball/Tiptoes


QBs: B-
Matt Ryan is a very good choice for QB1. All the pundits are expecting a regression this year, but the only reason to expact that is the loss of Kyle Shanahabanana at OC. The rest of the team is intact, and it's a drat good team. Matt Ryan isn't too old yet, he still has all kinds of weapons, and even if he modestly underperforms his points last year... well, he put up 323 points last year, he'll be fine. However. Sam Bradford might not play out the season, depending on whether a recovered Teddy Bridgewater can earn his job back - and I believe he could. At least the chance of that happening means Tiptoes should have drafted a solid safe pick for QB3. Instead, he went with Jimmy Garoppolo for some reason. Perhaps anticipating a trade? OK, as a very long shot lottery ticket that'd be OK, but as the option if Sam Bradford doesn't keep his job, this is just a wasted pick. There are at least a handful of starting QBs left on the board, there's not really any excuse for drafting the QB2 in New England. I still gave Tiptoes a B- here, but it's entirely on the strength of Matt Ryan. The rest of this QB roster is a disaster.

RBs: B
Devonta Freeman and Frank Gore are a great 1-2 punch, and Chris Tompson is a solid RB3 choice despite the various questions about Washington's RB crew this year. Rob Kelley is I think the guy for sure, but Thompson has proven himself and will have three to six games where he scores a TD or two, at least. Jerick McKinnon is an insurance policy: I don't think he plays much unless Latavius Murray sucks, but I think he always plays at least a little and Dalvin Cook could also be a bust so there's real upside. Samaje Perine is reportedly "challenging Rob Kelley" for early down work: I do not believe it. I think he'll make the team, and get work, especially if he proves valuable on special teams, but this fourth round rookie is not going to knock off two veterans ahead of him to take the RB1 job. Joe Mixon is in a similar boat: He's behind Gio Bernard and Jeremy Hill, but a round 2 pick rookie who at least has a shot, according to talking heads, of being an RB1. Again, I'm skeptical: everyone hopes for a Zeke Elliot, but almost nobody turns out to be a Zeke Elliot. Still: this are lottery ticket guys with a ton of upside potential, which is a great way to back up some reliable star players. One minor problem, though: the two washington players share a bye with Freeman, leaving this team weak in Week 5, when Frank Gore matches up against the 9ers. So he should be OK, but Tiptoes has to hope either McKinnon or Mixon have good games that week as well.

WRs: A-
This 7-man WR set has real star power with Dez Bryant, Emmanuel Sanders, and DeSean Jackson all on the team. Sammy Watkins' foot might be fixed too, and if so, he's another great WR2/3 guy to own. Tyrell Williams faces competition from Keenan Allen's return from a knee injury, but he'll still be a solid guy to own. Actually my ownly complaints here are the bothering to roster Robert Woods and Curtis Samuel, given the rest of the roster. Woods is a Ram, and he's never broken 700 yards. On a weaker WR team, he'd be a reasonable choice of lottery ticket with upside, but on this team, he feels like a waste of a roster spot. And Curtis Samuel is a rookie in Carolina; depsite his second round spot, I doubt he's going to outshine K-Benj or Devin Funchess or high-volume target Greg Olsen. So again, not a horrible choice, but feels like a wasted slot on this roster.

TEs: B
Martellus Bennet is a solid veteran TE going to a solid veteran QB who knows what to do with him. He'll get points. Cameron Brate has competition from a rookie, but you can't ignore his 8 touchdowns last year; he should be fine and might be really good again. I'd feel better about this teams' TE position if it had a third one rostered; I think Tiptoes could have afforded one of his WR slots, or definitely could have skipped on Jimmy Garoppolo to get another backup.

D/STs: B
Neither the Raiders nor the Bucs blow me away as picks. The Raiders are probably inconsistent: sometimes excellent, sometimes they give up points. Similar story for the Bucs, but down one tier. It's another place where Tiptoes could have used a spare slot to ensure more consistent points production year-round, but I can't really complain much about the choices.

OVERALL GRADE: B+
This team seems fine? The star-studded WR cast plus Matt Ryan have at leat the potential to push the team to the top... maybe so do the RBs. There were a few missteps though, and this team has the potential to underperform badly at QB and D/ST, and to merely be good but not great at RB and TE. I suspect Tiptoes is generally happy with his draft, and I would be too, but there were a couple of missed opportunities that smart a bit, too.

OK that's it for tonight, I'll do the rest tomorrow.
I did misjudge my draft and thought I had one more pick to take a third TE but overall I'm happy with what I ended up with. QB could be an issue but I don't think Matt Ryan will regress nearly as much as everyone expects. Jimmy G was a gamble taken after targeting value RB/WR picks in the middle teens and not liking any of the starting QBs left on the board. If anything happens to Brady, Jimmy G instantly becomes a strong QB1 and I'm getting elite numbers from Ryan/Garappolo. I think you're underselling Mixon too. I think he has top 15 potential in Cincy. They'll play the most talented player. Hill isn't going to stand in his way and Gio likely won't be 100% to start the year.

I think my only real regret was taking Sanders in the 5th over Martavis Bryant. I could've taken a bigger swing if I knew I could've targeted D-Jax and Tyrell later but I wasn't expecting to get them where I did.

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