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Spangly A posted:and you think this should be legal? It's a difficult situation for everyone involved. If the government is confirmed as the legal guarantor of last resort, more HB tenants will default, because that will be a more rational choice for them. At which point HB will not be handed out anymore, or will be handed out much more restrictively, because that is a big increase in liability on the public finances which the insurance and re-insurance markets probably wouldn't be able to handle if the government tried to protect itself in a less coercive way than cheerfully sending in the G4S bailliffs every time someone missed a month's rent. Which is why building more housing is important, to suppress demand for rented property by giving people an easier time trying to not have to go into it.
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knox_harrington posted:Interesting article in this week's Economist on this: https://www.economist.com/blogs/speakerscorner/2017/04/battle-builders "In the big cities where local government cuts have been enormous, it looks like Labour is not doing so well in the last few years!!!!!!" yeah no poo poo, what about Big Gid's policy to replace any council houses sold with fresh housing? Oh that hasn't happened whatsoever, Nice.
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jBrereton posted:What an incredibly moronic article. True, but it poses problems for Corbs promoting Labour as the party of house building.
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May 1, 2017 13:18
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LemonDrizzle posted:The German newspaper FAZ has an account of the midweek dinner meeting between May/Davis and Juncker, which is really not complimentary at all of the PM; the Economist's Berlin bureau chief did a translation of the highlights on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/858810953353367552 This government is basically the diplomatic equivalent of drunkenly shouting at a Polish builder "two World Wars and one World Cup, doo dah, doo dah". 
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knox_harrington posted:True, but it poses problems for Corbs promoting Labour as the party of house building.
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May 1, 2017 13:25
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jBrereton posted:People understand that. This statement will always be wrong.
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Ratjaculation posted:Disappointed at the lack of a link to the best uk thread in that op. Recent discussions include stuff about my balls. Fluo (rip), a forum users home address and the dire state of sainsburys meal deals. i want to join in meal deal chat
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https://twitter.com/TonyParsonsUK/status/858995006648066049 #brexitbritain
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Labour has gained in at least three polls just weeks before the general election, slashing the Tories' lead by as much as 10 points. Jeremy Corbyn’s party is up by four points in the last week to 30 per cent support, found Opinium, while a separate YouGov poll between 27 and 28 April found that Labour was up two points to 31 per cent – both figures contributing to a smaller gap between the Tories and the Opposition. A third poll for the Sunday Times showed the Tories had a 13-point lead with 44 percent of the vote, yet a YouGov poll gave the Tories a 23-point lead last week, showing a dip of 10 points. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...d=facebook-post
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Ewan posted:where's the best thread? ENTER THE FUNZONE (99% circlejerking)
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jBrereton posted:The EU gave up earlier this year when the remaining rich members said they were fine with a "multi-speed" Europe.
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May 1, 2017 13:45
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Yes yes... but how will the EU-27 survive without our cornish pasties?
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I'm the judge telling the UK to get back to its corner.
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e: shows I know nothing about boxing I don't even really mind
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I don't want any scroungers renting one of my houses tbh. They'll make a mess.
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Looke posted:reminder that leave.eu also posted about executing people, before swifty deleting it They like the idea of executing black people but think that war criminals are hard done by by political correctness.
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jBrereton posted:Not really. Labour have not been in government, they have been in squeezed local government. People understand that. This is definitely not the case, at least in my neck of the woods. I'm often not able to get to the end of the sentence when I talk about the impact of cuts to central government funding, before their eyes glaze over and/or they just interrupt with "it's all excuses, isn't it?!" I don't think the man on the street even understands that councils are partly funded by central government or is able to link the closure of services in Labour councils with central government cuts by the Conservatives. Which I'm sure is exactly why the Tories are cutting left and right but protecting their own councils.
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TinTower posted:They like the idea of executing black people but think that war criminals are hard done by by political correctness. 'But'? Who do you think our war criminals currently go after?
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jBrereton posted:For now, probably, yeah. No, that's not how people's decision making works. Rational choices are not a given reason for people making themselves homeless. I agree with your point about the government expenses needing to go up. A six month guarantee from the government is a flat 6x increase in funds needing to be put aside, but no increase in monthly expenses. This remains a negligible amount, and not one that has any impact on national economy. e; aside to which, I just thought, "no dss" is very different from "no guarantor", and banning no dss does not mean I think that the government is now the guarantor. I don't really see the point asking for no guarantee of payment, it'd be an inconsistent and weird step towards the final goal of no privately rented accomodation. Spangly A fucked around with this message at 14:39 on May 1, 2017 |
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Also you are literally arguing in favour of discriminating against those who are disabled and unable to work I'm pretty drat sure "no dss" is not really an acceptable legal requirement for this reason, we just have a government that fundamentally will not and will never stick up for the working poor.
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The state should own all housing and means of production and everyone should get basic dividends from them and pay rent to the state with that. This of course with a strong investment in infrastructure and transport and distributed development that allows people to live anywhere comfortably. IMO ^^^^ Isn't The Mirror the Sun's version of the Mail's group Metro? I think that's just a joke.
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Pochoclo posted:^^^^ Isn't The Mirror the Sun's version of the Mail's group Metro? Erm no.
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I thought I would share some spicy Karl Marx Quotes since its May Day but its bound to upset some people so I wont
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:I thought I would share some spicy Karl Marx Quotes since its May Day but its bound to upset some people so I wont Marx is alright do post. He's not Stalin or anything.
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Baron Corbyn posted:are we sure this isn't a joke about the fact as a Luxembourger, Juncker does in fact speak German or am I being way too optimistic? No Tony Parsons is actually a massive idiot.
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LemonDrizzle posted:A multi-speed Europe has been the reality more or less since the show got on the road, and £290 billion of exports is not a huge deal in the context of an economic bloc with a GDP of around 14 trillion. there isn't a picture of stalin here
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Private Speech posted:Marx is alright do post. okay here you go quote:Thus we find every tyrant backed by a Jew, as is every pope by a Jesuit. In truth, the cravings of oppressors would be hopeless, and the practicability of war out of the question, if there were not an army of Jesuits to smother thought and a handful of Jews to ransack pockets. quote:It is now perfectly clear to me that, as the shape of his head and the growth of his hair indicate, he is descendant from the negroes who joined in the flight of Moses from Egypt (unless his mother or grandmother on the father’s side was crossed with a friend of the family). Now this union of Jewishness to Germanness on a negro basis was bound to produce an extraordinary hybrid. The importunity of the fellow is also nwordlike. quote:What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.…. Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities…. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange…. The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general. quote:Direct slavery is as much the pivot upon which our present-day industrialism turns as are machinery, credit, etc. Without slavery there would be no cotton, without cotton there would be no modern industry. It is slavery which has given value to the colonies, it is the colonies which have created world trade, and world trade is the necessary condition for large-scale machine industry. Consequently, prior to the slave trade, the colonies sent very few products to the Old World, and did not noticeably change the face of the world. Slavery is therefore an economic category of paramount importance. Without slavery, North America, the most progressive nation, would he transformed into a patriarchal country. Only wipe North America off the map and you will get anarchy, the complete decay of trade and modern civilisation. But to do away with slavery would be to wipe America off the map
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:I thought I would share some spicy Karl Marx Quotes since its May Day but its bound to upset some people so I wont Yes, the UK Marxism Thread will be outraged by Marx quotes Oh, of course you pick up antisemitic quotes. How clever.
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forkboy84 posted:Yes, the UK Marxism Thread will be outraged by Marx quotes Turns out Karl Marx was pretty redpilled
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In the actual spirit of International Worker's DayBertrand Russell posted:The idea that the poor should have leisure has always been shocking to the rich. In England, in the early nineteenth century, fifteen hours was the ordinary day's work for a man; children sometimes did as much, and very commonly did twelve hours a day. When meddlesome busybodies suggested that perhaps these hours were rather long, they were told that work kept adults from drink and children from mischief. When I was a child, shortly after urban working men had acquired the vote, certain public holidays were established by law, to the great indignation of the upper classes. I remember hearing an old Duchess say: 'What do the poor want with holidays? They ought to work.' People nowadays are less frank, but the sentiment persists, and is the source of much of our economic confusion. In Praise of Idleness, 1932
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Turns out Karl Marx was pretty redpilled I think he didn't have kind words for any religion TBH. Not that that's much of an excuse.
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Schopenhauer said some bad things about Jews and black Americans in the early 19th century so I'm going to disregard everything he said about animal rights and kick a dog.
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Skinty McEdger posted:No Tony Parsons is actually a massive idiot. Oh hey, you're not wrong. I'm still finding it hard to believe a real person wrote that tweet in any kind of seriousness but the evidence seems to point that way.
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