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No, but you see, that's Corbyn's fault because his office didn't deliver a soundbite to a paper within half an hour.
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TinTower posted:Zac Goldsmith had a majority of 23,000. If the sitting MP isn't arrested for electoral fraud that is
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Praseodymi posted:If we're going to do alternate history fanfiction can't we do something interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLhlSiCk0ME
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Praseodymi posted:If we're going to do alternate history fanfiction can't we do something interesting. I'm not sure Soviet communism is the style of communism people want. I'm hoping for something where capitalism is a thing of the past, but without thought police and gulags
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there's no telling how much or if any repressive apparatuses would be necessary in a world without imperialism though. im optimistic so i would hope for "none"
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Namtab posted:I'm not sure Soviet communism is the style of communism people want. I'm hoping for something where capitalism is a thing of the past, but without thought police and gulags It would be interesting to see what the suppression of Capitalism as an idea would do the the political landscape mind.
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Mark Blythe has a great quote about how the greatest trick liberalism ever pulled was convincing the world it was the only game in town
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R. Guyovich posted:there's no telling how much or if any repressive apparatuses would be necessary in a world without imperialism though. im optimistic so i would hope for "none" I would think that an authoritarian form of communism would still find plenty of ways to oppress people even without imperialism
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Regarde Aduck posted:If you can look at capitalism and not think "yeah we need something to replace this" you either don't understand or you're a monster. Pick one. Money on you being a monster. I believe this is called Nordic social democracy. There's also the soft leftism that never outright says gently caress capitalism but dances around it with words. This is called Clause IV. I guess we can again test the theory of what happens when things become so bad that even the police are impoverished.  Do they join the People's Revolution or the SA this time around?
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May 1, 2017 23:14
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They blame it on brown people and eastern europeans, so probably the latter.
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Namtab posted:I would think that an authoritarian form of communism would still find plenty of ways to oppress people even without imperialism the means would exist but not the reason. that's my point
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May 1, 2017 23:22
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and all this time they told us it was communism that would put us on the breadline
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May 1, 2017 23:21
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The problem with Thatcherism is that you eventually run out of state assets.
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my god I'd feel conflicted by a police strike everyone over 60 would immediately vote the bnp on their platform of kill strikers and also criminals and mostly foreigners
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May 1, 2017 23:25
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YouGov stopped sending me surveys about five years ago and when I go on the site I just have a load of expired poo poo from 2012. I don't really care but the occasional £50 would be nice, I'd sort of forgotten about it until now.
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May 1, 2017 23:31
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Praseodymi posted:If we're going to do alternate history fanfiction can't we do something interesting. Considering the possibility of a different labour leader on events right now is hardly alternate loving history get a grip.
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May 1, 2017 23:31
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Spangly A posted:my god I'd feel conflicted by a police strike
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Pissflaps posted:Considering the possibility of a different labour leader on events right now is hardly alternate loving history get a grip. You playing make believe that a moderate Labour leader would certainly be doing far better than Corbyn despite all recent elections showing that's not the case is pretty much alternative history fanfiction.
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May 1, 2017 23:34
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Benjamin Arthur posted:You playing make believe that a moderate Labour leader would certainly be doing far better than Corbyn despite all recent elections showing that's not the case is pretty much alternative history fanfiction. I actually said 'half way decent' but if you want to conflate that with 'moderate' that's your prerogative. I'll be sure to use this great new 'alternate history' line whenever anybody suggests literally anything could or should be different.
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May 1, 2017 23:40
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Pissflaps posted:I'll be sure to use this great new 'alternate history' line whenever anybody suggests literally anything could or should be different. I'd like a pony please.
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May 1, 2017 23:43
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Prince John posted:I'd like a pony please. Sorry that's alternate history. No pony for you.
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May 1, 2017 23:43
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Pissflaps posted:I actually said 'half way decent' but if you want to conflate that with 'moderate' that's your prerogative. Tedious pedantry aside; being a moderate is pretty obviously the main requisite for you to consider them "half way decent", why else would you rather Cooper, Kendall or Smith?
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May 1, 2017 23:45
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Benjamin Arthur posted:Tedious pedantry aside; being a moderate is pretty obviously the main requisite for you to consider them "half way decent", why else would you rather Cooper or Kendall? Yes yes of course I'm being a 'pedant' because I'm expecting you to at least reply to things that were said rather than something you imagined.
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May 1, 2017 23:47
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Pissflaps is actually a very serious political player, that's why he argues all day and late into the night on an internet forum instead of doing anything constructive about the politics he cares about enough to spend all day and late into the night whining about.
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Pissflaps posted:Yes yes of course I'm being a 'pedant' because I'm expecting you to at least reply to things that were said rather than something you imagined. You're being a pedant now continuing on this tangent rather than addressing the actual question. But yeah it really took a giant leap of imagination to think the guy who endlessly poo poo posts about how woeful Corbyn is but still holds a centrist war criminal in high regard, might really mean moderate when he says "half way decent".
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Tesseraction posted:Pissflaps is actually a very serious political player, that's why he argues all day and late into the night on an internet forum instead of doing anything constructive about the politics he cares about enough to spend all day and late into the night whining about. No you see, nothing hurts the Tories like a lethargic internet troll complaining endlessly about how inept the Labour leader is. Labour supporters who campaign enthusiastically for Corbyn however are actually just playing into the Tories hands.
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Tesseraction posted:Pissflaps is actually a very serious political player, that's why he argues all day and late into the night on an internet forum instead of doing anything constructive about the politics he cares about enough to spend all day and late into the night whining about. I'm not a very serious political player. I'm just a voter.
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Guavanaut posted:The problem with Thatcherism is that you eventually run out of state assets.  e; Pissflaps which is your favorite Harry Turtledove series?
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sebzilla posted:YouGov stopped sending me surveys about five years ago and when I go on the site I just have a load of expired poo poo from 2012. I don't really care but the occasional £50 would be nice, I'd sort of forgotten about it until now. You've got to really grind to get the fifty bucks these days. All I get now is stuff about whether I'd recommend a friend or family member work for <some company I've never heard of> or TV surveys. Google Rewards at least pays you the pennies right away, which has been enough for me to upgrade to pro-versions all the apps I use, buy a few books etc on their coin. They're obviously using it to tweak location services, but I'm happy to tell them I've just been near a shop in exchange for 12p. Top tip: walk through a shopping centre or along a busy shopping street occasionally. Just checked - Rewards has paid me 40-odd quid in the last 18 months for a series of surveys that take a minute to do. TheHoodedClaw fucked around with this message at 00:02 on May 2, 2017 |
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Benjamin Arthur posted:Labour supporters who campaign enthusiastically for Corbyn however are actually just playing into the Tories hands. Well, yes.
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Pissflaps posted:I'm not a very serious political player. I'm just a voter. Why do you spend so much time arguing about politics without bothering to engage in the democratic process at an equivalent rate? That's a rhetorical question; the answer has been painfully obvious from the start.
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MikeCrotch posted:Mark Blythe has a great quote about how the greatest trick liberalism ever pulled was convincing the world it was the only game in town If you like this, you should read 'Capitalist Realism' by Mark Fisher.
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May 1, 2017 23:56
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Tesseraction posted:Why do you spend so much time arguing about politics without bothering to engage in the democratic process at an equivalent rate? I engage with it exactly as much as I want to.
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Pissflaps posted:I engage with it exactly as much as I want to. Because you don't actually care at all beyond being smug in this thread on a daily basis. We all know this.
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Benjamin Arthur posted:Because you don't actually care at all beyond being smug in this thread on a daily basis. We all know this. Being right about how Corbyn has turned out brings me little pleasure.
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Pissflaps posted:I engage with it exactly as much as I want to. You also answer the question you want to, instead of the question asked. To no-one's surprise.
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Pissflaps posted:Being right about how Corbyn has turned out brings me little pleasure. Reading your endless shitposting of you patting yourself on the back because you assume your'e correct, on a daily basis, brings everyone else even less pleasure.
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Tesseraction posted:You also answer the question you want to, instead of the question asked. I'm still waiting to hear by what measure Owen Smith or Liz Kendall could be considered "half way decent".
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Benjamin Arthur posted:Reading your endless shitposting of you patting yourself on the back because you assume your'e correct, on a daily basis, brings everyone else even less pleasure. You misunderstand, he gets off on posts like this calling him worthless. It'd be quaint if people didn't fall for it so much.
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Benjamin Arthur posted:I'm still waiting to hear by what measure Owen Smith or Liz Kendall could be considered "half way decent". They have no history of being dedicatedly left-wing.
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