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Talking about Tony Blair's talent as a politician is like discussing OJ Simpson's talent as a Running Back.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/andy-burnham-vows-tough-benefits-5786479quote:Andy Burnham vows to get tough on benefits if he wins Labour leadership race This is why people didn't like Andy the first time around.
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May 6, 2017 17:09
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What people seem to forget is that back when Jeremy Corbyn wasn't on the ballot yet everyone was trying to outdo each other in being as close to the Tory party while still being Tory light. You had Andy Burnham promising to cut benefits, Yevette Cooper who previously had been trying to attack Theresa May for not being tough enough on crime as Shadow Home Secretary and Liz Kendall who's only criticisms of Tony Blair was to do with the stuff that people actually liked about Tony Blair. Jeremy Corbyn came in as someone who was supposed to "widen the debate" ( Read, get the other lot to say something left wing so we can criticise them) and then quickly gained popularity because he was the only person putting forward left wing arguments to a left wing party and it involved a series of debates to a voting audience who would actually pay attention rather than just go off of first impressions of headlines. Then the press just went on a tirade against him from the moment it looked like he was winning. Even papers seen to be sympathetic to the Labour party were routinely putting out hit pieces. Some Labour MP's who joined the party under Blair openly criticised him to the press and on social media while others leaked everything they could to the press. Despite this poll numbers didn't truly start to collapse until the second leadership election. Corbyn never really recovered. It's worth bearing in mind that when the Labour right, Blairites, Blue Labour, Progress or whatever you want to call them say "Hard Left" they're not talking about us Marxists right here in the good old UKMT. They're talking about the mild social democratic reforms that Corbyn's running on. Constant attacks on Corbyn's personality or leadership abilities are only a fig leaf covering up a deep, burning hatred for anything to the left of a 2010 Tory manifesto. Even Tony Blair's 1997 manifesto would probably be too left wing for the press these days.
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May 6, 2017 17:51
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Alchenar posted:That's straight up not true given they were happy with those policies when Ed Miliband proposed them. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22105195 And given this was was from "Strikes are wrong at a time when negotiations are still ongoing" their hatred is probably based on the idea that Corbyn might actually mean it.
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May 6, 2017 18:04
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Sam Kriss didn't support Le Pen, unlike a Lib Dem who would probably go into coalition with her.
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May 7, 2017 19:28
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TinTower posted:Sam "better an honest thousand fascists than Macron" Kriss, aye? He clarified that statement in the following tweets. Care to clarify supporting the coalition?
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May 7, 2017 19:41
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TinTower posted:He literally typed the phrase "a thousand honest fascists". That you remain a lib dem following the coalition says more about you.
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May 7, 2017 19:47
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TinTower posted:I'm rather surprised Jean-Luc "refugees are stealing the bread from French workers" Melenchon didn't get into the red quadrant, tbh. Maybe if he called them coconuts...
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May 7, 2017 21:44
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The S Club 7 Avs are because the guy who bought them got the wrong Ian Watkins mate. Edit: ah wait thats steps never mind i hosed up my mild kids pop groups, just like the old bill mixed up their Ian Watkinses Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 23:04 on May 7, 2017 |
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May 7, 2017 23:00
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Its something. Edit: enjoyed the inclusion of Tim's gay friend. Guess his squirming on the subject was all to do with being a lib dem.
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May 8, 2017 13:22
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So how many articles are we going to get about the tacit admission from May that she'd hoped the fascist won?
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May 8, 2017 13:29
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I'm shocked the media has been playing up a bad interview with Diane Abbot more than Theresa May literally locking journalists in cupboards to avoid getting asked any questions and the damning report by the UN on Britain's human rights record.
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May 8, 2017 18:27
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Remember when we thought Watson was good when he was pissing off Murdoch?
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May 8, 2017 18:43
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Have to say I'm kind of shocked that the media are playing Danzcuk resignation as straight as they are. Like, he leched on a 17 year old staffer and his wife came out about his abuse. Are the press really low enough to try and rehabilitate that so long as it looks bad for Corbyn?
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May 8, 2017 18:59
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Guavanaut posted:Who will fashy the meme frog be supporting in the general? May.
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May 8, 2017 19:13
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Evil_Urna posted:Thank you. I think it works well. Trying to crush business men who actually add to the economy because you are jealous of others success, or out of class spite or whatever. But it has been proven again and again that vindictive taxation upon the wealthy drives down the economy, and forces companies to offshore and to take money out of the local economy. Reagan's that guy the horse fucker quoted about how good it is to gently caress horses, aye? https://twitter.com/VP/status/863182608552906755
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May 15, 2017 19:15
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Pissflaps posted:I've heard that it may have been a set up by the Tories anyway. Wasn't exactly a 'bigoted woman' moment. Still think Gordon Brown should never have backed down and just called her a bigot again.
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May 15, 2017 19:17
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The reason The Brown Bigot thing was such a scandal is because Brown was still wearing his microphone when he accurately called that bigot a bigot. I can only imagine the horror that May was saying the second she got back to her battle bus in earshot of journalists that would never report what she said.
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May 15, 2017 19:38
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Somebody doesn't know the difference between the search bar and the tweet bar. https://twitter.com/JamesDelingpole/status/864226025634488324
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May 15, 2017 22:47
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For the future generations Old weed smokin buddy of David Cameron doing what comes natural to conservatives. Wankin to animal porn. Not even incognito. Amateur hour masturbation smdh
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May 15, 2017 22:54
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forkboy84 posted:Apparently me and half of Twitter have screengrabbed it already. Public schools are rife with child abuse. Like, it's an open secret. Little has historically been done since it might make a lord look bad.
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May 15, 2017 23:05
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Ronald Reagan raped a woman.
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May 15, 2017 23:36
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I like the manifesto.
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May 16, 2017 12:49
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Firos posted:hosed up if true OP. It's better than the one the tories leaked about pictures of dogs having sex.
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May 16, 2017 12:52
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Jesus Christ if true. https://twitter.com/sirpauljenkins/status/864243464883625984
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May 16, 2017 18:28
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ukle posted:Here is Sir Henry's blog where he explains it - The press 10 years ago would have been going after Labour. There's yer secret reason the press aren't as hostile.
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May 16, 2017 19:29
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MrL_JaKiri posted:She's on the cover of the sun today, coincidentally they found a picture of her in a tank top not wearing a bra Of course. Christ, the papers are mad as hell at the Labour manifesto. That's how you know it's a good manifesto.
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May 17, 2017 07:44
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https://twitter.com/Independent/status/865126351698841600 May, May takes food away.
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May 18, 2017 10:07
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Pochoclo posted:Literally taking food from the mouths of poor children, and leaving the old poor to die. I genuinely think that they're just trying to see how much evil poo poo they can get away with while maintaining their Brexit boost. May could hollow out a child's head and lay her eggs in it and the papers will be talking about how strong and stable a Web she built.
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May 18, 2017 10:24
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The Dementia tax completely destroys the argument from Thatcher to Cameron that owning your own home will benefit future generations through inheritance. It's been argued for generations that home owning/ constant house price increases was good because it meant that your children's future was secure. Now we'll get the remaining former council houses going to private buy to let landlords because granny can't look after herself anymore and had to remortgage her home to live in an underfunded care home and the grandkids have to continue to rent because it's too expensive to buy. I can see a lot of OAP suicides happening because of this. The endgame of right to buy.
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May 18, 2017 12:36
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pointsofdata posted:Lmao 100k is a vast amount of money and is by no measure "used up" What % of homes are valued under £100,000 in the UK?
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May 18, 2017 13:04
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And how much do you think residency in a care home costs?
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May 18, 2017 13:08
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pointsofdata posted:Not a huge number, but the incidence of these costs are entirely on those who are either homeowners or have loads of cash. They are by definition not among the poorest in the country And people who bought their homes when they were worth the price of a modern day deposit? Come on man I'm trying to baby step you into realising how evil this all is.
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May 18, 2017 13:14
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A lot of people's understanding of "getting by" changes depending on who's the target as well. Which is how we get "Serious, Grown up" commentators pivot wildly between saying anybody could get by on Jobseekers allowance and saying £80,000 a year is just getting by.
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May 18, 2017 13:21
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pointsofdata posted:80k is rich but 100k is a small inheritance You're a loving idiot.
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May 18, 2017 19:48
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It's such a loving shitshow of a policy that I really don't get anyone trying to defend it. They're going to have to roll back on it. You might as well defend the Poll tax.
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May 18, 2017 19:59
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pointsofdata posted:The poll tax effected everyone. This harms at most people sharing an inheritance of over £100,000 You really are dumb as gently caress.
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May 18, 2017 20:04
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The whole policy might as well be called Buy to Die. Just getting the rest of those council houses that were bought with right to buy into the hands of Buy to Let landlords.
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May 18, 2017 20:15
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pointsofdata posted:Perhaps a 500,000 limit would be more to this thread's taste? Just dumb as a bag of hammers.
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Namtab posted:Nationalise care homes. Standardise care. Pay carers fairly. Boom. Also shocked to see that the only time Lemondrizzel argues from the left is when he's defending a horrendous Tory policy. Weird that.
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