UKMT May 2017: Weak and Wobbly vs. Old and Knobbly

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Serotonin: Jul 14, 2001; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

Seaside Loafer posted:

I've never understood the reluctance for landlords to take housing benefit people. They are basically guaranteed the rent from the council. Or used to be before rents went up and housing benefit was cut but they are still guaranteed most of it. Its just seems like a snobbery of some sort. Last time I was on housing benefit for a couple of months there was an option to have it go straight to the landlord, so why cant a landlord insist on that then they are covered?

Classism

# ¿ May 1, 2017 12:04

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# ¿ May 3, 2024 05:42

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jBrereton posted:

If it isn't a good person you can, though.

That's as true for people not on benefits as it is for those on benefits

# ¿ May 1, 2017 12:24

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

The former star of my GE 2010-era avatar. Although as he stood against Brown and Milliband in 2010 and 2015 I really don't see how he got close to selection.

He probably didnt. You cant expect fact checking and accuracy from news media

# ¿ May 1, 2017 16:56

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TinTower posted:

Zac Goldsmith had a majority of 23,000.

I think the Tories are odds-on to hold onto Chippenham, but it could happen; nearly all of their council seats in Wiltshire are in Chippenham constituency.

If the sitting MP isn't arrested for electoral fraud that is

# ¿ May 1, 2017 22:33

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She was fine on radio 4 this morning

# ¿ May 2, 2017 09:59

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ITT Liberals wanking themselves silly over a Labour cock up, while pretending they dont really fear a socialist government.

It's OK, no one can possibly think less of you if you do inevitably vote for your local Tory candidate.

# ¿ May 2, 2017 14:22

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Plus there's the whole elections fraud prosecutions looming. Who knows where that might lead

# ¿ May 2, 2017 17:46

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Bristol is still the best city

https://twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/859493104667299846

# ¿ May 3, 2017 10:30

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GaussianCopula posted:

Did I miss something or were there just 15-20 angry guys yelling stuff?

To save you time In the future. This is the first and last time I will interact with you.

Get the gently caress out you Nazi gently caress.

# ¿ May 3, 2017 10:58

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OwlFancier posted:

Because he's a tit and your life will be improved if you put him on ignore.

Why any of you respond to him or that other tit is beyond me

# ¿ May 3, 2017 19:37

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I hope they are all dead

# ¿ May 4, 2017 07:50

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learnincurve posted:

I like Philip he's the nation's slightly racist old grandpa being forced to go to places he really does not want to be by his wife, so is getting as much entertainment value out of it as possible by taking the piss in the full knowage that she cant yell at him for it in public.

Slightly? Yeah racism is really funny.

# ¿ May 4, 2017 08:02

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sebzilla posted:

But then who will make the announcement?

ME, from atop the pile of bloody corpses

# ¿ May 4, 2017 08:02

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Ewan posted:

Yeah who knows what it is. I'm guessing something anti-climatic, but it is highly unusual for them to call people from across the country at such short notice. My best guess is that it'll be something like the Queen and/or Phillip formally reducing their ceremonial duties or something, but not an abdication.

Phil retiring from public duties is my bet

# ¿ May 4, 2017 10:08

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Wittily racist. The liberals favorite kind of racism

# ¿ May 4, 2017 10:29

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Ewan posted:

None of those are racist, really. The Patel one might be argued as such by some people but it's more related to it being a common name, rather than displaying any sort of prejudice or discrimination against Indian people.

Yeah true, let's give the openly racist loving Prince the benefit of the doubt that his joke about being around a lot of Asian people wasn't racist.

loving hell.

# ¿ May 4, 2017 10:43

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My wife was voter number 16 when she voted at 19:30. There's about 250 potential voters here.
Tbf it was only for the metro mayor whatever the gently caress that is

# ¿ May 4, 2017 22:47

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Violent revolution is the only solution

# ¿ May 5, 2017 08:59

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DesperateDan posted:

This, pretty much.

The system that exists in the UK will not allow anything approaching actual competition. It ensures this largely through media control. Corbyn could be replaced by the fantastic super leftie no-one seems to be able to find, given the best of PR teams and it wouldn't make a difference in real terms at all. The media that is owned by the corporations will not suddenly start reporting favourably on socialist policies- the nationalisation of businesses privatised and pimped out by their masters, for example- not even if it's presented in snappy soundbites by a gormless smile in a suit. The only way for favourable coverage is for the policies proffered to be favourable to those providing and orchestrating the coverage- but even when you attempt centrist plp populism like renowned heart breaker "red ed" milliband did, the policies will still be called "sixth form socialist nonsense" and "too left wing"- even after they had those racist mugs for sale and promised at least a moderate round up of foreigns. The system favours ever more control, and the tools of fascism- skillfully woven hatred and lies- gives them that in droves over this overwhelmingly and increasingly thick, racist nation. The tories offer the further exploitation of such fertile grounds. Expecting such tools to be of use in our salvation is pointless. It all has to go.

No idea how though, and of course organising such thoughts and efforts becomes quickly problematic what with rapidly getting arrested for plotting the violent overthrow of the state, but I'm keen, mind.

Bang on. The system is rigged in capitals favour. Engaging with the system is not how socialism wins.

# ¿ May 5, 2017 10:08

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Ewan posted:

maybe less of the violent revolution wank fantasies though please

gently caress off and go read some amusing Prince Philip anecdotes liberal

# ¿ May 5, 2017 10:10

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Alertrelic posted:

I think a slick, populist, left-wing message could cut through and win.

What on earth do you base that on?

# ¿ May 5, 2017 10:38

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Alertrelic posted:

You need to alternative venues for the message. I'd propose using Labour's vast sums of cash and largely inactive membership to build new media organisations, and possibly think tanks, as well as providing direct services on the ground were possible and working on rebuilding trade unions. That gives you the people, the data and the stories you need to start controlling how events are framed and it lets you take the initiative, rather than having to rely on Diane Abbot radio interviews or the literal fascists who choose Question Time audiences.

Its not impossible, we did it in Scotland with gently caress all money and barely any time, but that was obviously in the context of the referendum. And there are fair arguments to be made there about the relative threat that independence poses to capital, compared to the prospect of a socialist UK.

Fact is, long-term institutional power and at least some influence over the national media landscape is going to be necessary regardless of whether you believe in an electoral or extra-parliamentary approach.

Reasonable response, thanks. What you suggest canny ever happen within current structures of Labour party though

# ¿ May 5, 2017 11:04

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jBrereton posted:

Maybe a more reflective headcase would consider that someone largely liked by people like them was not representative of the aspirations of the country as a whole.

Get hosed.

# ¿ May 5, 2017 13:20

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Lord of the Llamas posted:

The Conservatives soaking up the UKIP votes because they've adopted all of UKIP's policies is a consequence of Jeremy Corbyn being leader?

He should have been more centre left and racist

# ¿ May 5, 2017 13:21

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Pissflaps posted:

These meltdowns over an utterly unsurprising turn of events are baffling.

Othering people with mental health problems is never OK even when you Tory chums ha e done well in an election.

And you can get hosed too you pathetic little worm. Maybe if you stopped making 100 of posts a day you could contribute something to the world around you other than smug loving conceit

Serotonin fucked around with this message at 13:29 on May 5, 2017

# ¿ May 5, 2017 13:27

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serious gaylord posted:

I genuinely couldn't even imagine it would be this bad.

Im sorry for your loss. They've still got one seat though and if you ask very nicely Nige might come back.

# ¿ May 6, 2017 07:53

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WMain00 posted:

The polls coming back saying Theresa May is a better PM are coming back like that not because there's a sudden surge in conservatism.

Agreed. It's been there for the last 30years.

# ¿ May 6, 2017 08:06

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knox_harrington posted:

The fault isn't just Corbyn's, it's the fault of the people and unions who voted him into leadership and continued to support him despite his clear unsuitability.

They should have elected Owen Smith or Angela Eagle? They would have beaten the Tories into submission for sure.

# ¿ May 6, 2017 09:14

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Stop loving pretending that you would have voted for a socialist and that all the bad PR is anything but a convenient smokescreen for you all.

# ¿ May 6, 2017 09:30

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serious gaylord posted:

'Heh, you wouldnt have voted for labour anyway you big bunch of racists' he says to the lifelong labour voters.

Don't make me post the mug picture.

Labour have not been a socialist party since 1997 and arguably weren't under Kinnock either.

# ¿ May 6, 2017 09:32

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serious gaylord posted:

I'm going to how you put it 'hold my nose' and vote labour in the general election. Given the results of the locals, theres a huge majority who won't. Also I would question your first point entirely, since most corbynistas in here held there noses by voting lib dem and green previously.

Some have never voted labour

# ¿ May 6, 2017 09:44

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nopantsjack posted:

The One Crazy Trick that the Tories are effortlessly managing and labour never can is you don't publically fight each other and don't badmouth your leader. It's electoral cyanide EVERY time.

Even Tony Blair who was very Hardline about this rule has broken it constantly since he was given the boot.

You obviously don't recall the early '00s then

# ¿ May 6, 2017 18:30

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Yorkshire Tea posted:

I'm completely fine with Fox hunting done with some dude with a gun and a couple of sniffer dogs to find them effectively and kill them cleanly.

As long as the dudes with the gun haven't deliberately bred the foxes of course

# ¿ May 22, 2017 11:58

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Ewan posted:

I've never seen Theresa shout like this.

Is Mummy angry?

# ¿ May 22, 2017 12:32

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Strom Cuzewon posted:

Likewise for the "oh they're just crazed psychos".

What scared me about the Lee Rigby killing was how disturbingly rational the killers were - explaining exactly why they did it, the point they were trying to make. They even apologised to witnesses and told them not to feel bad if they were too scared to intervene, as they'd probably have just killed them too.

Ironically despite that apparent rationality, one of the killers had a long term serious mental illness

# ¿ May 23, 2017 11:44

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I wonder what it is about their culture and beliefs that makes them respond in such a way. Maybe we need to stop them coming here.

# ¿ May 24, 2017 07:57

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I'm not entirely convinced that's a legit antifa account. Probably a alt right false flag account.

# ¿ May 26, 2017 19:20

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Lightning Lord posted:

What's so bad about Abbott other than the usual "Black politician is mean to white people" stuff that conservatives go apeshit about?

She puts her foot in it, says flippant stuff, upsets people, makes massive cock ups during interviews. Sadly she's not white and posh so she's not a total legend like Boris.

# ¿ May 28, 2017 14:44

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# ¿ May 3, 2024 05:42

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Namtab posted:

Yeah when I was looking for a team to follow I asked for the west ham of the nfl

That was caveat and I went for the Falcons. Feels good. soul crushingly disappointing

# ¿ May 30, 2017 07:58

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