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Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

The most watched video on this YouTube channel has one thousand views.

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Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Kokoro Wish posted:

Correct. But I'm sure this is yet another thing Pissflaps cannot understand.

Let me guess..... *sound of rustling paper* 80 million views on Facebook?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

jabby posted:

I presume 'could have been more supportive' is code for launching a public coup, briefing the hostile press and working constantly behind the scenes to undermine the leadership, something Jeremy Corbyn certainly never did from the back benches.

What makes you think he could do this even if he wanted to?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

jabby posted:

For one, interviews with him and John McDonnell where they both refused to say anything negative about the then leadership, despite being heavily baited by the interviewer. Corbyn may have been a serial rebel but he never tried to undermine his party.

No I meant actually capable of briefing the press and launching a 'coup'.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
She's loving those chips.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Serotonin posted:

ITT Liberals wanking themselves silly over a Labour cock up, while pretending they dont really fear a socialist government.

It's OK, no one can possibly think less of you if you do inevitably vote for your local Tory candidate.

Voters aren't waiting for your permission to vote Tory. They're going to do it anyway.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Yeah lets not go crazy and suggest Dianne Abbot should stand down. She's extremely important.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

JFairfax posted:

why do you hate having a prominent black woman in politics pissflaps?

Interesting.

I guess all that criticism Chukka Umunna got a while back was because he is black.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Yes this is definitely a good defence. Everyone who thinks it's a problem that Abbott hosed up is crazy and/or racist.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

JFairfax posted:

no just you

Lets hope there's no chinese MPs in Jeremy's front bench team any time soon.

Or trans people for that matter.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Another Person posted:

i actually think you are crazy in a more general sense than just on this one particular situation honestly

Thank you for your medical opinion about my mental health. I'm sure it's delivered entirely impartially.

Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 15:23 on May 2, 2017

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/859415165347012608

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

quote:

One way of deciding who is winning an election campaign is to look at the state of the party polling. But there are other ways, and we finished with two questions intended to test how the parties are doing.

First, we asked people whether, based on what they had seen in the two weeks since the election was called, their chances of voting for these parties had increased or decreased.

Conservatives

Increased: 18%

Decreased: 15%

Stayed the same: 55%

Net: +3

Labour

Increased: 15%

Decreased: 21%

Stayed the same: 53%

Net: -6

The Conservatives have done most to win voters over during the election campaign so far, the poll suggests.

We then asked about the party leaders, asking respondents if they thought the various figures were running a good campaign or a bad campaign based on what has been seen over the last fortnight.

Theresa May

Running a good campaign: 41%

Running a bad campaign: 22%

Don’t know: 37%

Net: +19

Jeremy Corbyn

Running a good campaign: 21%

Running a bad campaign: 40%

Don’t know: 38%

Net: -19%

The Conservatives have done most to win voters over during the election campaign so far, the poll suggests.

Given the amount of criticism Theresa May’s campaign is getting for being voter-allergic and content free (including from George Osborne today - see 12.47pm), these figures may be surprising. But perhaps they just confirm that, if a leader goes into an election with a high standing amongst voters, people will continue to think favourably of her or him unless said leader does something spectacularly inept - which May so far hasn’t.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...4b06585062d971b

Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 15:42 on May 2, 2017

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

JFairfax posted:

people are awful pissflaps, this has no bearing on the quality of Labour's leadership.

The quality of labour's leadership has a bearing on how people vote, awful or not.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

JFairfax posted:

not really, people dont give a gently caress beyond the headlines for the most part.

it's why this whole strong and stable robot thing will probably actually work.

Well, yes, it is working.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Pochoclo posted:

To be fair, cornish pasties are terrible compared to empanadas, and I'm not budging on this one no matter what you say

Dear me.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

jabby posted:

The latest ICM poll aptly demonstrates why subsample questions should be taken with several tonnes of salt. More people say the last two weeks have made them less likely to vote Labour than more likely. The opposite is true for voting Tory. However the Tories lost a point in voting intention and Labour gained. With the possible exception of headline voting intention it's all bullshit because people will choose the answer that reflects best on their chosen party.

Which is perhaps why twice as many people gave the answer favouring the Tories than labour?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

jabby posted:

Yes, that is literally my point.

So saying twice as many people favour the Tories than labour isn't exactly much of a mitigation for this poll?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

Any idea how the Lib Dems would send election material addressed in my name? Just picking my name off the electoral roll?

Did you give them your details in 2010 maybe?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
I'm working class and earlier today I consumed a flat white I purchased from Costa Coffee.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Maybe you did it when you were drunk and now can't remember? I've dont some crazy things like that myself when I used to drink.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Steve2911 posted:

It's almost like she has a personal problem with being seen as an illegitimate leader.

This seems highly unlikely.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
More from that poll earlier:

quote:

Some 49% of people backing Labour now say they are more likely to vote for the party because Corbyn is unlikely to become PM (against 43% who say it makes no difference, and 4% who say likely defeat makes them less likely to vote for the party.)

So half of people intending to vote Labour are only prepared to do so for as long as labour winning the election seems unlikely. Because of Jeremy Corbyn.

In other words, if labour were somehow able to increase their 28% poll share to an election winning position of, say, 40%, they'd immediately lose at least 14% of those who say they'll vote for them.

Jeremy Corbyn is uniquely toxic to the electorate.

Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 21:47 on May 2, 2017

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Quote is not edit.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

LemonyTang posted:

Theresa May is stamping her personal branding all over the campaign because she is the most autocratic PM in recent history, and we have had some pretty autocratic PMs. We're slipping down the road to an elective dictatorship. She refuses debate, she detests dissent. In her video posted in the thread, she talks about 'My party, my candidate.' It's both her personal popularity and her personal style. She wants to secure HER mandate for Brexit. She will completely own the government in the next five years. May is an authoritarian. "It can't happen here", apart from the study (which is awful) in the OP which showed that 25% of the population are "ethnic nationalists" and 25% of the population aren't far off that.

Shite isn't it. We need somebody who can oppose her.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Steve2911 posted:

You should do it.

I woke up strong and stable but later in the day a goon diagnosed me as being mentally ill after I commented on Diane Abbott's radio interview.

Im afraid you'll have to find somebody else.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

jabby posted:

Laura K continuing her unbiased reporting of the campaign.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/859485924635406336

Is she wrong?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
No these are people more likely to vote Labour because Corbyn isn't going to be Prime Minister as a result.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Alchenar posted:

This attack ad will not only work, it's a trap to get Labour to start talking about defence policy and Corbyn's pacifism.

Wonder when they'll do a terrorism one.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Breath Ray posted:

Did anyone hear David davis on today just now?

I didn't - what did he say?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Breath Ray posted:

I only caught the end and he was saying corbyn will cost everyone £1500 a year which seems not very much

Can I set up a direct debit?

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

DesperateDan posted:

Going by the graun liveblog he also said the UK could walk out of the EU without paying a penny.

This is true - though obviously there would be terrible ramifications for any future trading relationship.

This is all the start of the negotiations. Posturing. The EU wants 100 billion, we're saying we could pay nothing.

The final figure will be in the middle, amortised over so long a period that nobody cares.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/859706500260016128


Tomorrow's results will be fascinating.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Yeah a belt isn't essential or even desirable when wearing a suit.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

LemonDrizzle posted:

Here is a man who is very upset with Tim Farron and Labour:

https://twitter.com/sam_lister_/status/859700774661697536

Good to see that labour's pro Brexit strategy has retained voters like this.

Oh wait

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
I think that as time goes on the 'divorce bill' will morph into an amount of money we contribute on an ongoing basis to the EU in return for some of the benefits of membership.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

JFairfax posted:

I don't know if any of you have tried to close a 'deal' as a business person, but let me tell you if one party thinks the sum should be £0, zero, zilch nothing and the other party believes it should be £XX,000 or higher then it's very difficult to meet in the middle.

The British government so far are disagreeing that there is anything to pay at all for leaving the EU, not 'oh we need to agree on the amount' - they disagree that there is any amount to pay at all.

That is not a good starting point for a negotiation.

Thanks for the business insight Donald but this is clearly all just posturing from both sides.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

JFairfax posted:

well the Tories are going to look pretty loving stupid when the UK has to pay a few (tens of?) billion quid then aren't they.


Not really they'll just emphasise what we get back in return.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

JFairfax posted:

we're getting nothing back in return, these are the spending commitments that we've already committed to and that the EU has budgeted for.

Yes we are what do you think the money we send to the EU is for?

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Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

JFairfax posted:

we wont get anything back from the EU once we leave, especially if we've not paid our tab.

I've heard nothing from the Tories along the lines of 'we'll agree a figure to pay and ensure that we continue to receive funding for EU programs we are a part of that have committed spending beyond our leaving the EU'

Why would we receive EU funding for things once we've left? Unless we agree this as part of negotiations, but I've heard nothing from the Tories along these lines.

This £x billion bill represents how much the EU still thinks we're committed to spending. This money didn't just disappear down a black hole, it's used to fund EU spending - which the UK benefits from.

The alternative view is that we pay nothing and receive nothing back.

It's not a credit card debt. It's more like trying to cancel a mobile phone contract early.

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