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Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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big scary monsters posted:

You vote in the constituency you were last registered in, and you can vote for up to 15 years after leaving the UK.

I've just been sorting this out, maybe someone here can help with this silly question: I have a postal voting form to return to Lambeth, where it asks for "Your full address (where you are registered to vote)". Is this going to be my actual home in Foreign, or my last address in my constituency? The latter doesn't really make sense to me, but you never know with these people.

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Feb 8, 2006

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Pochoclo posted:

Capitalism is one grand failure for everyone involved. Given that the rich are so miserable, one has to wonder why the gently caress they don't do something to change the system - they certainly hold all the cards needed to make it happen.

Greed is a hell of a drug I guess. And not even one of the fun ones.

Could they know that money doesn't make you happy, but no money certainly can make you miserable? And they're scared that if they don't cling onto the former category, they risk ending up in the latter?

Or am I endowing the rich with too much introspection?

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Feb 8, 2006

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So the Tories are getting upset at EU citizens' non-EU spouses again

quote:

May expected to challenge right of EU citizens to bring family to Britain

EU negotiation guidelines put Brussels and London on collision course over issue of non-European spouses after Brexit

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In a major speech on Europe in 2014, David Cameron said ministers had to “deal with the extraordinary situation” whereby it was easier for an EU citizen to bring a non-EU spouse to Britain, than it was for a British citizen to do the same.


Link

Of all the Tory shouting boxes, this one pisses me off the most. It's just spiteful. For UK and EU people. It serves no purpose other than to tick a box for the screaming tabloids.

And the bolded part, hmm if only there had been a way of equalising that in your power, you latex faced referendum calling Toryman :argh: :argh: :argh:

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Feb 8, 2006

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Guavanaut posted:

Is this even a major thing that happens? And what is supposedly happening after? An EU person marries a not EU person and moves to the UK, then...

And don't speak English to each other I guess?

Which reminds me, I seem to remember a brief panic when some newspaper "found out" about South American people sometimes being able to get EU passports via grandparents (Pochoclo confirm/deny I'm getting this right?), and the entire continent would be moving here any day.

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Feb 8, 2006

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forkboy84 posted:

Yeah, I don't know all the details, but my brother-in-law is Chilean, but he's descended from Spanish Jews and went through the rigamarole of proving that so he could get the benefits of being an EU citizen. He & my sister were able to live in Dublin together before he could claim Spanish citizenship, but I think they are planning on moving back to Scotland at some point soon now she's finished her Masters there. And then Brexit happened so ho boy.

But yeah, they had to make more than one trip to Spain with a bunch of documents, but he's a Spanish citizen now despite having never lived there, which was cool.

That's the one. Some of my Venezuelan friends have done it, made touring around Europe easier, compared to the ones who don't (one drummer, after questioning at the UK border about his secret plans to abandon the 2 day tour and abscond in the UK, ended up telling them he didn't want to live in this rainy country and wanted to go back to Caracas).

forkboy84 posted:

Honestly, the idea you can't live & work with your spouse in the country you were born in is hosed up. I always hated the anti-immigrant citizen, but seeing how it directly impacted my family (dude is a loving qualified architect or something like that, he's not going to be stealing a job from a Brit or however the idiots like to put it) sure brought home the shittiness a lot more clearly. Borders are trash.

Yeah, this. I wasn't a massively a naive child, I knew politics was a thing and that the world wasn't all rosy and wonderful, but I always kind of assumed that every country allowed you to marry and live with someone from anywhere in the world.

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Feb 8, 2006

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Pochoclo posted:

Brief panic? "Found out"? This has been going on for many decades, it's not some weird trick we don't want you to know. The country where this happens the most is incidentally Argentina because of how many people there are second/third generation Spanish/Italian (the foremost sources of immigration Argentina had for a long, long time).
It is quite easy if you have Spanish/Italian ancestry, but somehow the entire country doesn't just leave. I mean, take me for example, I got the dual citizenship, yes, I came here, but I have siblings who didn't and are not interested at all, and I know pleeeeenty of people who just got the EU passport for "easier tourism". It also takes quite a bit of money for the plane trip and accomodation and surviving until you find a job. Argentina is not a complete hellhole, so mostly you get single ambitious professionals who get high paid jobs and pay high taxes.

Yes, I meant found out in the tabloid sense, as in decided to use that day's anger target.

Similar to when the Sun (I think) "found out" about the type of school I went to

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Feb 8, 2006

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Pochoclo posted:

Oh I know it was some Mail/Sun bullshit, the questions were just rhetorical.

But yeah I have like the worst timing possible, I finally decide to move here and lol Brexit.

Ah yes :)

I feel you, "I finally decided to move and then lol Brexit" buddy

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Feb 8, 2006

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Private Speech posted:

It's not so bad in most countries, though moving to the UK can be a pain (not that anyone in this thread is likely to). You have to deal with not being able to get a bank account without an address/people not wanting to rent to you without a UK bank account (and sometimes a host of other things, like rental history and references), plus most places will charge you 6-12 months rent up front if you're a forrign without a domestic guarantor.

To be fair I heard that also happens in New York and Japan, but I'm not sure that says much in favour of it.

Ah yes, the "loop of doom" we called it. In our case the entry point into the loop of doom was the flat - they didn't care about a bank account so long as they got their money. Other countries may vary.

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Feb 8, 2006

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Lord of the Llamas posted:

When my partner moved over from France the bank wouldn't accept a written declaration from me as proof of address (I own the flat, so no letting agent, and bank with the bank so they could obviously check their own records to verify I live there) and insisted we get a utility or council tax bill with her name on it for "security/fraud" reasons I pointed out that neither the utility companies or council would perform any checks and just take our word for it they just looked at us blankly and reiterated it was for security reasons.

Haha, yes, I think I've mentioned this before, but much as I don't trust any British government not to leave a hypothetical ID database on a train, there is a certain convenience to being officially registered as living somewhere/existing, with a magic number that unlocks services.

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Feb 8, 2006

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No tax rises for people on less than £80,000, pledges John McDonnell

I like this presentation. It's a better phrasing than "we'll tax people above X", because that invites "politics of envy" and "above X?? That could be me one day!", while "we'll protect people below X" might help with the realisation that that includes the vast majority of the country, including "me, now".

Of course you could argue that taxes should be higher lower down, but it's a start.

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Feb 8, 2006

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Private Speech posted:

Fairly certain that's not what you mean, but the only one I remember was when a Sun reporter went in and lied about his poverty to get a week's worth of cheap food.

I remember this, wasn't the headline "I got free food no questions asked", and the body "I got free food after lying convincingly in answer to many questions"?

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Feb 8, 2006

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Hexyflexy posted:

I've gone from sleeping on friends sofas to earning quite a bit (by total fluke, studying paid off at loving looooong last). When I tell anyone that I want taxes to go up, they either laugh at me or think I'm making it up. If you taxed me an extra 10%, It'd just take a bit longer to do what I want to do, and at the same time it'd help a whole bunch of people. Which is pretty much what I want.

I had a good discussion with a (lefty) doctor friend, back in the Cameron days, where we agreed that the NHS needed more money, and the most efficient way to do that was through general taxation, but he argued that this wouldn't go down well in Britain, so maybe some other payment stream (pay £10 at the GP, or everyone pays £50 a month "health insurance", or something) would be necessary. Even if you'd need to raise more from this system to get to the same place, and even if it would have adverse effects.

My assertion that people like me should pay more tax were met with "well yes, but the other people like you wouldn't go for it".

The perverse thing being, "like me" was a comfortable amount of money relative to a Big Mac, or an iMac, or a holiday. But housing costs were such (didn't help that my job was in the very centre of London) that a juicy tax increase would actually have been detrimental.

Hmmm if only housing costs didn't reflect a real thing, and could be cut in half and then half of that half taken in income tax (certainly for the okly-off), leaving both the people and the country better off.

E: Miftan, yep that makes people :confused: even more than "I should definitely be paying more income tax"

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Hexyflexy posted:

It was a hell of a day when I realised I'd be paying enough tax to fund a student nurse for a year. For me personally, that was awesome - made me want to do more. Unfortunately a lot of people don't seem to think beyond "I've paid money, how is that going to benefit me? (and don't let those dole scummers have any!)". Ugh. I might be slightly Communist, so I'm probably a bad person to judge this stuff.

See also: "Why don't you just send a cheque to HMRC then?"

forkboy84 posted:

A lefty suggesting what is in effect a flat tax to pay for the NHS. Gosh. That's...wow.

Yeah. To be fair, this was a pragmatic suggestion at a time where you couldn't picture either Tories nor Tory-esque-but-sadface (of either party) coming out and saying "the NHS needs money and we're going to tax you to get it".

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Feb 8, 2006

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feedmegin posted:

Having lived for a decade in the US, jarred hot dogs are literally one of the most 'what in the actual gently caress' things when I came back here. BRITAIN YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

Herta hotdogs are ok, though we lack the correct length buns to accommodate them. Costco do an own-brand kosher hot dog that is ok I guess if you happen to fulfil the criteria to sign up with them. Ye OIde Oak 'US Style' hotdogs are an international insult on the same level as Olde English Malt Liquor.

Edit: Or marry an American who is president of her local sorority chapter in the UK and thus has contacts with lots of Americans on US Air Force bases in the UK and can thus source Nathans brand etc from their PX. Note: availability of such americans is limited.

Did someone say "weird European versions of American foods"?

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Feb 8, 2006

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Pesky Splinter posted:

Those digusting severed penises in jars we call hot dogs are revolting. Gimme a sausage-inna-bun any day.

Buy one or... I'll cut my throat?

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Feb 8, 2006

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Pesky Splinter posted:

Guaranteed no rat. 100% organic. All pork shaved before mixing.

Right book and everything :hfive:

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Feb 8, 2006

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In answer to the question about writing off existing student loans, the Greens want to.

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Feb 8, 2006

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big scary monsters posted:

Lying about your opposition to women's rights and gay equality would be morally reprehensible.

Christ tim what's wrong with just having better opinions

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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It's almost like there's something noticeably different about Labour/its manifesto this time, compared to previous general elections in which most people in this thread were old enough to vote, meaning we don't need to vote for other parties to have at least some showing for socialism on the overall vote share*

*Option may only have been available to those in non-Tory safe seats

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Feb 8, 2006

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TheRat posted:

The Sun are shook:



I know, don't judge people on their looks, but Jeremy Corbyn and Gerry Adams standing together is the least threatening image. Two nice old beard men, who variously like jam, being reasonable, and rubber ducks.

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Feb 8, 2006

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OwlFancier posted:

I really do wonder how people manage to live in places that warm. Like, my ideal indoor temperature is 16C

I've been in Cordoba a few times with the outdoor thermometer things claiming 46. It's nice, like a sort of free sauna, so long as you don't need to do too much (and yes I'm a pasty Brit).

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Feb 8, 2006

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Her leg made me think of this, which in turn makes me remember a simpler, less absurd time.

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Feb 8, 2006

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Guavanaut posted:

It like one of those magazines for sociopaths that they have near the checkout. "Grandad sold my unborn children to perverts," "ex secretly poisoned my dog," "my dead son came back as a toaster-radio alarm clock," "a better future under Theresa May's Team."

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Julio Cruz posted:

What policy to reduce the usage of plastic bags would you prefer?

And what's the punishment aspect of LED lighting?

Early CFLs were a bit rubbish but modern LED lighbulbs are cheap, plentiful, have the familiar warm colour temps and acceptable CRI for normal use (i.e. normal people can't tell the difference), and they even look the same. I really like the filament bulbs. But now my entire living/kitchen area consumes under 40W with all lights and table lamps at full.

The ban does make it harder to find the old ones for period theatre though :colbert:

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

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Hoops posted:

What's that expression about upfront cost being a limiting factor that stops poor people being able to make savings in the long run?

The Sam Vimes boots theory of economic injustice?

I'm sure I remember being able to buy 5 or even 10 CFLs for £1 in Argos years ago. Energy company subsidised maybe? Do they still do that?

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Feb 8, 2006

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I don't get C4 so I'm watching Dr House. Keep us informed, UK-residents!

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Feb 8, 2006

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A Spherical Sponge posted:

LED lights are bad cause they mess up your melatonin production and thus impact the quality of your sleep and increase your fatigue during the day, but that's more a streetlight/light pollution thing than a housing thing. I remember reading a story where in new york they were using high powered led floodlights in "high risk" (read:disadvantaged) neighbourhoods so they could surveil them better and people had to completely board up their windows because they couldn't sleep with the light pouring in. Also when I was living in university accommodation a few years ago they had led lights on all of the time in the sort of courtyard area and some trees too and you could always hear the birds tweeting like crazy at 2 in the morning because they thought it was daytime.

Really I only care because I really love sodium and incandescent lighting. Feels cosy. if they had filters for led lights that gave them the same light distribution as incandescents then I wouldn't care, though my dad tried to do that once with the led lights he installed in our kitchen and it just gave everything a sickly theatre production yellow sort of look.

Lee Filters make some specific gels for LED that take into account their different spectral composition when compared to tungsten. But they're more designed for cold white sources.

But if you're buying "warm white" LED bulbs, especially the filament-esque ones, they should still provide that "cosy" feel. The spectrum is slightly lacking so your red items might not look as red but it's fine for the general feel.

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