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therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

We had somebody quit today because they were moving in a couple of months with their husband.

Why did they quit now instead of in a couple months when they move?

Because they have been here for 9 years and 10 months. You become vested in the pension plan at 10 years (50% of your average salary for your 3 highest earning years of service until death, starting at age 62 unless you do at least 20 years) and if you quit before you become vested you get your pension contributions back with no interest.

She took a payout of about $8,000 instead of the pension and even had the HR Office and Pension Office repeatedly try to tell her not to quit just for this reason.

If she lives to be 80, then she got that 8k in exchange for 270k over 18 years.

Wow. That is a fantastic pension plan, and I would consider changing jobs just to get that. What a hilariously bad with money decision. That woman is a retard.

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therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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If the total payout would have been 270k over 18 years and it is the average of the three highest earning years, then assuming that her highest earning years are the three most recent she is making at least 30k. Not a ton of money but if she has a working spouse it is certainly workable. She would have make 5k gross by working those two months, for over half of the payout. I will assume that the payout would be taxed as well, so that isn't a factor, although healthcare premiums may be ( but there is also a chance she is on her spouse's plan for that anyway). I can't imagine premiums at a place with that kind of pension (it is inferred it is a public job I think?) exceeding 500/mo so half is a very conservative estimate of what she would have come up with. Frankly I can't imagine many situations that would have me making that kind of tradeoffs forces now over a lifetime benefit, assuming not being in crippling poverty (which we can assume since we have a decent approximation of her income). You can't even blame it on ignorance since they held her up for an hour to try and advise her against it.

This person is just a dumb dumb.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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blah_blah posted:

They aren't Dunks. You can read Nike Air on the tongue and Dunks don't have an air cushion in them. I'm pretty sure they are these.

So to add some additional thread content, it appears that website offers financing with a company called Affirm. So you can get those sneakers for $37.99/MO. It does not state APR which could be a truth in lending violation depending on structure if it does not properly fall under an exemption for store financing. Also the little blurb about it says checking eligibility will not affect your credit, but that it is subject to credit approval. If they are pulling your credit the inquiry can affect your credit score, especially if you fall under the type of credit profile that needs to buy sneakers on time.

therobit fucked around with this message at 17:24 on May 7, 2017

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Steampunk Hitler posted:

I've purchased stuff with Affirm, I don't know if it's typical but when I purchased using Affirm the price was exactly the same and the APR was 0% if I setup auto debit and paid over 12 months. Assumingely the place I was purchasing from took a chunk out of their profits to pay for Affirm for that, since I doubt Affirm was offering free financing out of the goodness of their hearts.

Was it a big ticket item? I could see the retailer paying for the financing in that case. Otherwise it could be that enough people pay late that they are counting on late fees to make it profitable.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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It was never against the law, it was just a violation of thier contract with the payments card companies.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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I don't know about hiring but I do know that in lending you can't exclude people based on thier neighborhood if it is in your service area and you can't design your service area such that it excludes poor and minority neighborhoods.

therobit fucked around with this message at 15:19 on May 10, 2017

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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howdoesishotweb posted:

:siren: Personal BWM alert :siren:

Buying resale concert tickets, seeing better tickets a few weeks later for less, buy the second pair convincing yourself the first will sell at a slight loss, which of course they never do. :cry:

On a side note, anyone in Pittsburgh like the red hot chili peppers :10bux:

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Sorry dude, I don't have a direct line back to 1996.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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OctaviusBeaver posted:

Doctors' offices are very bad with other people's money. Actually almost everything about health care is BWM.

Wife went in with knee pain from running. They say "We really want to give you an MRI, but the insurance companies usually want you to get an x-ray before they authorize that. We'll give you an x-ray even though there is basically no chance it will show us what the problem is" so they send her down the hall to get an x-ray. I asked how much the x-rays would cost and nobody had any idea. I called the insurance company and they said "nope, no need for an x-ray, you can get the MRI". So we cancel the x-ray and they schedule an MRI at a nearby hospital. After an hour on the phone somebody at the hospital is finally able to tell us the MRI will be $800. Call a clinic in the suburbs and they agree to do the same drat thing for $300. So office is basically screwing everyone who they refer for an MRI out of $500 for no reason because they don't check the prices. And nobody in the entire industry will ever tell you the sticker price of anything without a fight.

Part of the problem is the hospital's overhead on patients who can't pay. Suburban clinics just won't take those patients.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

Yeah it's not wedding horse chat, so I think it's acceptable anyway.

Wait, debating the rules is a derail...I've become what I've always hated. BIRD ME!

I would but I made some stir fry and now the derail bird is dead.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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No Butt Stuff posted:

I was gonna make a joke about service ferrets, but apparently those are real things?

They may be a thing that exists, but they are most assuredly not "real."

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Doc Hawkins posted:

Almost correct: emotional support/comfort/anxiety animals do not qualify as service animals under the ADA, which means that technically, they can be forbidden from any business, just like pets. A doctor's letter isn't enough. If you can't tell them what tasks the animal is trained to do for you, you don't have a leg to stand on.

In practice, of course, people either aren't aware of this, or rationally choose not to make a stink, so a letter like that can go a long way. And it will always work on planes: for some reason, DoT/FAA rules say that emotional support animals with a letter from a licensed mental health professional are allowed on flights, period. So if you already have a pet and travel, I guess that could be GWM: just take Fido with you on your lap instead of buying a carrier and paying the luggage fees, or for boarding at a kennel.

I've actually seen someone with dog allergies be told that they'd have to take the next flight, and presumably hope that no one tries the same bullshit then too.

Yes I know that depending on context sometimes they are recognized, but they are almost never legitimate. Those assholes need to cut it out so that people with actual disabilities are taken seriously.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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lavaca posted:

My state passed a law stating that businesses do not have to make allowances for "emotional support animals", only trained service dogs. It contains a notable exception:


If you are both disabled and BWM, Washington is the state for you. The catch is that most cities prohibit miniature horses on lots smaller than 10,000 square feet so I've never had the pleasure of seeing somebody walk into a restaurant alongside a service horse.

That's only a quarter acre-ish.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Bull loving poo poo. We are talking about the financial and logistical feasibility of owning an emotional support miniture horse in the close in suburbs of Seattle. Please tell me how that is not Bad with money content.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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lavaca posted:

Let's get back on/off topic.


Poor bird. Its whole existence is a lie.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Nope.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:

I predict that at some point in the future one or more national economies will crash to a greater or lesser extent, and our understanding of the complex interwoven factors involved will be largely expressed in a swirling mixture of breathless post-hoc rationalization

Well that's just like a horoscope; it's so broadly applicable that it will be true no matter what.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Ivanka Trump is one of the few people I could imagine legitimately using and enjoying a $699 juicer that requires WiFi and a $40 a week DRM-locked juice bag subscription service.

I think between her father, her husband, and her brothers she has plenty of juice bags in her life already.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Weatherman posted:

He's shilling the stock in that advertisement "request for advice" itself. No one would include that level of detail in a genuine question.

edit: ahahahaha he's spamming it all over Reddit like he's really, really concerned you guys

The one posted here has since been removed, but it looks like he posted to R/legaladvice 4 days ago. If you look at the history on the reuters link that was posted, it looks like this was the pump, and the dump is coming.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Are not all call centers prisons?

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Financing a second property with a heloc can be good with money if you can afford it. It keeps the payments down and if he is declaring the rental income and it is anywhere in the neighborhood of market rent he can write off the interest and maintenance costs. Is the house ultimately going to belong to your dad as an investment or to your sister as her home? By keeping the monthly payment low he can make it more feasible to keep umtil renting to someone else or until she can afford a regular payment.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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The payday loan guys seems to have neglected to mention if tjere was a prwpatment penalty provision in the contract and also how it wound up in collections.

I will say refusing to accept payments and claiming you can't find the account are bullshit and probably fall under the deceptive, unfair and abusive practices regulations. They should have jist given him a number as to how much he needs to pay to terminate the contract early.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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DERAIL BIRD PLEASE SAVE US!

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Yeah smart contractors drive a lovely or at least older truck to the job site to get backed into by backhoes and dinged up by hauling ladders and scaffolding.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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ma i married a tuna posted:

See also the lack of wagons. A hatchback with even more cargo space? As a family car for people with one or two kids it's unbeatable.

My mom had a datsun 510 wagon when I was a kid that went over 250k. No AC and the vinyl seats burned like hell in the summer if you were wearing shorts. My family took so many trips in that car with two dogs and camping gear. My dad would use it to take me into the mountains on unimproved roads to go camping. The fact that nobody used child seats or cared if kids were comfortable probably allowed them to do all that with a smaller backseat area than would work today but station wagons are awesome.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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I could imagine a horse business getting a credit like secured by business assets. I think that would make it both a horse and a truck equity line.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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I think 50/50 is fair if that's what they agreed upon, especially since they are not married and don't have merged finances. The rest of it is a little wierd and he shouldn't be lying about being hard up.

I don't know why people share finances if they aren't married or why they get married if they won't share finances.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Stop giving her the satisfaction and maybe she will gently caress off back to DnD or TGRS and stop making GBS threads up our BFC threads.

TB your on topic effortposts in TGRS and before that in DnD have been good and informative, but when you come into BFC and start chasing shadows and accusing everyone of whatever ism you decide you are gonna troll us with that day it is unfunny and hella annoying. It is a bad gimmick that only makes people take your genuine concerns less seriously.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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EAT FASTER!!!!!! posted:

So Father's Day is coming up, and we need to get gifts for several men in our lives. I suggested to my wife that we dispense with the "try to guess what they want" bullshit and give cash, because receiving cash they have license to get a thing they wanted but we couldn't select. Everyone in our family thinks they're really good at selecting and giving gifts, and they're not - they're terrible and we accumulate crap like nobody's business.

She says it's insensitive, that people would be offended, etc. etc. etc.

Good with money or bad with money?

This might or mght not be on topic but it jas the potemtial to turn into a really bad derail.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Dick Nipples posted:

You needed an American Girl doll harem. Clearly.

This is the creepiest mental image.

I am wondering if there is a similarly sized male doll to complete the diorama. Maybe Chucky.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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ate all the Oreos posted:


Sorry that was a terrible joke

We were all thinking it.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

A story about BWM horse ownership and somehow the horses themselves are the least BWM part.

"I have been turned down for horse loans in the past" should be the next thread title.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Also what is up with paying stable fees yet apparently they have somewhere to keep their horses if the paid $8500 for a gaurd dog to guard their horses.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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The gaming pc girl is making childish financial decisions because she is a child still. Sad she feels obligated to buy stuff for her sister or to gice loans to her friends, but she will learn her lesson over time and it sounds like these are pretty cheap mistakes to be making now vs later with a few zeroes attached.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Yond Cassius posted:

Most of these mortgages would have higher interest rates than new ones. If you change the amortization table so the loan goes out another 10 years or so, the payments go down (because the principal is going down much more slowly) but the owner is stuck paying way more money over time. It's like refinancing in place at a crappy rate.

Those borrowers don't qualify for a refinance and won't for years due to bankruptcy. Banks are permitted to make unilateral changes to accounts if they unequivocally benefit the customer. Wells was wrong if they filed incorrect court documents but by lowering the payment while keeping the rate the same, they are making ot easier for these people to remain in thier homes.Any prepayment penaly would likely remain on original terms, and prepay penalties after the first 3 years are really rare in mortgage lending. If the customer doesn't want the lower payment they can keep paying thier original payment.

I know you guys have a hate boner for banks, but this just isn't that bad. Of all the major banks I will agree that Wells is one of if not the worst when it comes to unfair practices but that isn't what this is.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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cowofwar posted:

Presumably the cost to the borrower on the same principal for 10 years at 2% is much less than 40 years at 2%.

Then they can keep making the same payment they were and have it paid off in the same amount of time.

Interest barely covers cost of funds+servicing on first mortgages. Origination fees are where they make money. Not to mention that these are loans that have a lower likelihood of performing and stretching the term increases the length of exposure to a risky borrower. But yes, I am sure they have some diabolocal plan to eak out pennies over decades rather than put that principal into a new loan with fresh fees and a borrower with good credit who is going to pay in full and on time.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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I really don't understand how even with a TOD they can make him responsible for a contract his dad signed. The broker had a fiduciary responsibility to explain that poo poo when enrolling a new client. Even if the brokerage house had him sign something there are regulations in most of the financial industry to prevent this sort of thing. For instance a bank can be held responsible for taking advantage of customers witj practices that are deemed unfair even if there is no law against them. I am not sure if they extend to securities becauase I don't work with them, but he needs a lawyer.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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0% APR is inclusive of finance charges. They are not allowed to state an interest rate other than APR unless they also state the APR along with it.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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Motronic posted:

Mattress equinity.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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DACK FAYDEN posted:

I know profit-and-loss-sharing arrangements exist, are there similar things for large purchases like houses or as demi-investment vehicles? I'm not super familiar with Islamic financial tradition beyond having sat through a single seminar that mentioned the existence of workarounds one time a few years back.

A common way they set is up si that the bank buys the collateral, and tjen immediately issues a contract to re-sell over a certain time period to the customer for an increased price in a transaction that looks lile a mortgage in all but name.

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therobit
Aug 19, 2008

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They aren't allowed to turn you away from the emergency room, even for non-emergencies.

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