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Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/myths-over-miami-6393117

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Folktales are usually an inheritance from family or homeland. But what if you are a child enduring a continual, grueling, dangerous journey? No adult can steel such a child against the outcast's fate: the endless slurs and snubs, the threats, the fear. What these determined children do is snatch dark and bright fragments of Halloween fables, TV news, and candy-colored Bible-story leaflets from street-corner preachers, and like birds building a nest from scraps, weave their own myths. The "secret stories" are carefully guarded knowledge, never shared with older siblings or parents for fear of being ridiculed -- or spanked for blasphemy. But their accounts of an exiled God who cannot or will not respond to human pleas as his angels wage war with Hell is, to shelter children, a plausible explanation for having no safe home, and one that engages them in an epic clash.



This article isn't directly related to the show but drat if it doesn't give me the same forlorn vibes.

I hadn't realized this was out, psyched to watch the first episode. The book portrays that drab midwestern road tribe perfectly.

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Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Lemon posted:

In the book Laura saved Shadow from the Agency, not the Technical Boy's goons. But I can't think of anyone else who it would have been in this.

Also I thought the Coming to America story about the girl who was sentenced to transportation wasn't about Mad Sweeny. She was Cornish, not Irish.

Cornish and irish share much of the same myth, especially in the modern world where celtic myth is mostly lost and reconstructed.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Klungar posted:

I believe the Djinn has a multi-episode arc this season, fleshing out his vignette like they have Biliquis'.

When did that happen? I may have been drunk last night watching E2, but our friend Mr. Firecock lives in NYC yeah?

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

precision posted:

Having anyone say "Low-Key" out loud wouldn't really work because you can't really pronounce it any differently to "Loki" and you lose even the tiny number of people for whom that was actually a reveal instead of shamelessly obvious.

Yeah, that "reveal" was painfully obvious even before Loki became a villain in an enormous movie franchise.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Zaphod42 posted:


Lets not argue this poo poo in both threads the whole loving show. Some people got it and some people didn't, and if you like huffing your own farts leave the rest of us out of it.

I never once clicked on an American Gods thread of any kind before yesterday, and I'll post whatever the gently caress I want to post. Congrats on being an rear end in a top hat to strangers on the internet :) I'm sure it takes a lot of courage.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Fun fact: Czernabog (as Chernabog) is also the name of that big black devil guy from the Fantasia scene. In his last days before being relegated to nonbelief he was conflated with the christian devil as the slavs were converted.

Also IIRC there is no extant reference or fairy tale referring to Bielebog, but his existance can be presumed because there are places named after Czernabog that are often twinned with places that logically would be named after Bielebog (eg Black God Hill next to an auspiciously-named White God Hill.)

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Isn't she also reading a book about egyptian mythology during the opening montage? If she's an atheist who is surrounded by egyptian kitsch and knows a bit of the mythology Anubis makes as much sense as anyone.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
The Mr. Nancy scene was perfect but at this point I'm kinda wondering why it was inserted so early? If you don't know who he is from the book you must be wondering where Cool Suit Guy went.

I was initially thinking/hoping that every episode would open with a Coming to America.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Crow Jane posted:

Do we know that she purposefully left the tv on, or was it just mysteriously on and turned to that cartoon when she got home? :tinfoil:

She also works right next to statues of Thoth and Anubis. Not just in an egyptian casino, but specifically of all the more famous gods her stand is next to Thoth and Anubis. IDK if there's any story meaning or it's just foreshadowing, but she's surrounded by them all her life.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

ZorajitZorajit posted:

Some have suggested that Penis Biting is the One True Path to Anubis. Some have suggested it is cartoon watching. This dogmatic difference split the faith. The Shia and Sunni have been at odds ever since.

Where does the bug spray huffing fit into all of this?

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

double nine posted:

Nah. Still beaten by You're an rear end in a top hat, dead wife. But Glover was amazing, true.

edit: something I've noticed: during the sales pitch World & Media give, I think that Wednesday's beating the table was ad-libbed. Watch Technical Boy's reaction.




One small thing that work's VERY well is the new, 2017 interpretation of technical boy. It's really easy to imagine that little douchebag mugging for the camera in front of my 12-year-old cousins on youtube.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

double nine posted:

weird, I remembered book Vulkan having reinvented himself as a god of cars/motorway accidents. I'm probably just mixing them up.

Wasn't there an implied new god specifically of highways, and enjoying all the blood sacrifice that happens on them?

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
It's interesting to think that in this setting, there may well be "new" gods that are already on their way out, seeing as how 19th and early 20th century values have largely gone from widespread to ridiculed. Mr. W. M. Burden living in a flat in Manchester with his wife, Britney Anna. Mr. Krasnyi, who immigrated from Russia, drinks a lot of vodka, and still calls everyone "comrade." Baron von Kultur living on stipend in Vienna, and his estranged brother who runs with a neonazi gang in Dresden. Is there an Enlightenment Jesus out there somewhere looking forlornly on all the more popular, younger Jesuses, or maybe a decrepit Cathar Jesus working as a prof of medieval comparative religion. Maybe all the european Jesuses work together to counter the decline of christianity there. Turkish Allah pulling a coup on the spirit of Ataturk?

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

precision posted:

They've cast five Jesus already and I doubt it would happen this season but I'd love to see Eastern Orthodox Jesus.

I want a spinoff action comedy starring a squad of them.

Also, maybe there's a talking head god of conservative talk shows who goes around TOTALLY DESTROYING liberal atheist professors, and he's friends with whichever Jesus owns guns and considers America his chosen people.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

dead comedy forums posted:

A thing with the new gods that hasn't been explained (and I think it won't) is that they are not personalities, they are manifestations brought by the indirect devotion. When you watch Netflix, you are worshiping Media; using SA is worship to the Technical Boy and so on and so forth.

This is what makes the new gods so "new" and powerful - they are really a New Thing, in the sense that they are not personifications, but rather, emergent entities. Which also could explain why Wednesday said that the old gods gave something back; the new ones don't provide anything per se because they are not expected to. If everyone thought the god of technology should smite the gently caress out of trolls, it would probably do so, but instead, in absence of expectation, it just assume traits of the domain as is instead of actively trying to work with it.

In a way the new gods are smiting their people's enemies, too. At least the Odin guidance satellite and the promise to use it against North Korea implies that, say, the Iraq War news frenzy and subsequent military tech buildup and move in from US corporations would be pretty fuckin great for Media, Mr. World (if that were really who he was), and Technical Boy, and that they can possibly influence such things to happen. They're just sort of detached. They don't care to actively cultivate belief like the old gods have to nowadays because they don't need to. Technical Boy doesn't need priests blessing precision missiles, the american people are just so into spending billions on fighter jets to precision bomb our enemies that he's already got enough sacrifice even though no one knows his name, or at least no one thinks they do.

What really makes them different is that they are concepts and not distinct entities. Thor gets nothing from belief in Zeus even though they're fulfilling a lot of the same needs for their ancient worshippers.

Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 23:19 on May 31, 2017

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
I kinda like the running non-spoiler thread idea that Mr. World is the shadow government more than the actual twist.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Zaphod42 posted:

:same:

Also there's no way its worse written than anything pre-20th century. Old school writing, with the sole exception of Shakespeare (because he was writing plays, not books) is so loving painfully dry.

A lot of it wasn't nearly as dry in context, but changes in language and cultural context mean we don't get the references and turns of wit that contemporary audiences got. That's not to say I don't understand why people don't like "the classics."

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Where the gently caress is my Mr.Nancy

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Normal Adult Human posted:

he wore a nazi hat when he was playing wolfenstein or company of heroes or something

In my experience in historical gaming communities, anyone who likes the nazis enough to own and publically sport a piece of nazi gear is almost certainly somewhere around "border militiaman" or further extreme in terms of their racial politics.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
The rabbit's gotta be easter right? Heavily advertised and no mention of her in the show so far.

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Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
Lakeside was my favorite part of the book. The early stuff that the show's covering right now honestly bored me to tears, I had to power through. It was worth it, but good on you, show, for making it all interesting.

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