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Jeb! Repetition posted:Please give some examples of this, it sounds awesome. IIRC for TNG there's Angel One, there's the episode with the androgynous aliens (where Jonathan Frakes was apparently disappointed that the producers insisted on the androgynous love interest being played by a woman), most of the cast protested about Code of Honor because it was way, way racist. For Voyager I think it's too long to list because everyone was basically just sticking by due to contractual obligations by the end of the run, so most of the series is poo poo. Kate Mulgrew read Janeway as an undiagnosed manic depressive because of the way nobody could write her a consistent personality through the whole run.
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I'm reminded of when Joementum mentioned one of the earliest and worst episodes of Star Trek TNG was about a space-Genghis Khan with a harem and it was written by the same person who did a DSP9 episode about a space-African Warlord with a harem.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I'm reminded of when Joementum mentioned one of the earliest and worst episodes of Star Trek TNG was about a space-Genghis Khan with a harem and it was written by the same person who did a DSP9 episode about a space-African Warlord with a harem. TNG had the space-African Warlord with a harem.
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May 3, 2017 23:19
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I'm reminded of when Joementum mentioned one of the earliest and worst episodes of Star Trek TNG was about a space-Genghis Khan with a harem and it was written by the same person who did a DSP9 episode about a space-African Warlord with a harem. Code of Honor was the space african warlord episode.
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May 3, 2017 23:23
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Please give some examples of this, it sounds awesome. The TNG planet of the blacks was probably one of the most egregious. Edit whoa beat
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May 3, 2017 23:23
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Like even the one sentence plot summary of "Space african warlord fucks up a peace deal by demanding a bride from the Enterprise crew" should tell you that it should never have aired or even have been greenlighted for filming. Which is a pity as Trek does have positive moments but god drat when they gently caress up.
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May 3, 2017 23:34
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Now we have The Expanse to be our woke multiculti space show
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May 4, 2017 00:00
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Now we have The Expanse to be our woke multiculti space show But how do you tell who's the minority without facial tattoos and akuchiemoyas?
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May 4, 2017 00:05
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scuba school sucks posted:To be fair if I was at an "event" and they were handing out "write-in your pronouns" badges I'd just leave. Clearly you don't go to crazy enough events.
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May 4, 2017 02:09
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Volcott posted:But how do you tell who's the minority without facial tattoos and akuchiemoyas? Everyone without capital is the minority.
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May 4, 2017 02:11
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Weeping Wound posted:Leto II is a literal dictator that rules for 5000 years to force humanity to evolve along some Golden Path There is a legit subset of nerds who don't get that the Dune universe is bad. Like, not poorly written, but rather a lovely place to be, filled with lovely people and things. See also all of Cyberpunk and WH40k Like, lets keep Atwood away from the alt-right, Handmaid's Tale would give em ideas.
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May 4, 2017 02:31
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Grimoire posted:There is a legit subset of nerds who don't get that the Dune universe is bad. Like, not poorly written, but rather a lovely place to be, filled with lovely people and things. See also all of Cyberpunk and WH40k We're in the cyberpunk. It's alright. Smartphones are a lot more portable than decks, the corporate overlords are relatively benign operations like Amazon and Google, and the race war is still a few years away.
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Volcott posted:We're in the cyberpunk. It's alright. Smartphones are a lot more portable than decks, the corporate overlords are relatively benign operations like Amazon and Google, and the race war is still a few years away. Well, there's Nestle, Coca Cola and PepsiCo competing for the role of evilest megacorporation.
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May 4, 2017 04:46
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Agnosticnixie posted:Well, there's Nestle, Coca Cola and PepsiCo competing for the role of evilest megacorporation. Yeah, but Coke isn't made out of forsaken children. Looking at you, Aztechnology. That was hosed up.
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Agnosticnixie posted:Well, there's Nestle, Coca Cola and PepsiCo competing for the role of evilest megacorporation.
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Grimoire posted:There is a legit subset of nerds who don't get that the Dune universe is bad. Like, not poorly written, but rather a lovely place to be, filled with lovely people and things. See also all of Cyberpunk and WH40k like leto ii won't shut up about how the point of his rule is to make sure humanity is sick of the idea of a strong daddy on a genetic level
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rudatron posted:Lol if you think they're even in the top 3 I guess there's always mining internationals that could top food megacorps.
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Agnosticnixie posted:I guess there's always mining internationals that could top food megacorps. You gotta have at least one Union Carbide in Bhopal level disaster under your belt to even be in the running for worst megacorportaion
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May 4, 2017 09:50
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Kurtofan posted:this is a sad day for the tron fandom, all ten of them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msKI1T9i710
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Grimoire posted:There is a legit subset of nerds who don't get that the Dune universe is bad. Like, not poorly written, but rather a lovely place to be, filled with lovely people and things. See also all of Cyberpunk and WH40k
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Pierson posted:The entire output of Warhammer 40k is a setting created by grognards forced to live in Thatcherite Britain, now controlled by second generation fans who thought actually endless war and fascist ubermensch were extremely cool and good let's make them the protagonists. The Imperium are a bunch of zealot fascists who don't understand how anything works and are opposed to any form of advancement. Everything about them is in direct opposition to what their chief holy figure would have wanted, which is a cute nod to modern religion. The entire point was that there were no good guys when it came to endless war, except maybe the Orks because whatever else is happening they're having fun. Also everything was a lot goofier and fun before the grimdark settled in.
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Not a Step posted:You gotta have at least one Union Carbide in Bhopal level disaster under your belt to even be in the running for worst megacorportaion It all comes back to the banks, what have their fingers in all this poo poo.
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May 4, 2017 15:45
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I like how Amazon, which has some of the worst working conditions in the United States, is described as "relatively benign."
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Not a Step posted:The Imperium are a bunch of zealot fascists who don't understand how anything works and are opposed to any form of advancement. Everything about them is in direct opposition to what their chief holy figure would have wanted, which is a cute nod to modern religion. The entire point was that there were no good guys when it came to endless war, except maybe the Orks because whatever else is happening they're having fun. Also everything was a lot goofier and fun before the grimdark settled in. Yeah pretty much. I still love 40k lore and universe. The issue is the lore started to crawl up its own rear end in a top hat and is a uroburos. Grimoire posted:There is a legit subset of nerds who don't get that the Dune universe is bad. Like, not poorly written, but rather a lovely place to be, filled with lovely people and things. See also all of Cyberpunk and WH40k Yeah. I mean I am a Star Wars nerd and I play devils advocate for the imperial when talking with my friends. Then again new canon has made the empire more interesting and now it's more inclusive human wise at least. I like Atwood's stuff. Hate leGuin though. Interesting ideas but her books are boring and didactic as gently caress. Not a fan of her writing style.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I like how Amazon, which has some of the worst working conditions in the United States, is described as "relatively benign." Compared to the average corporation in cyberpunk fiction, 8 hours in a warehouse for a living wage is relatively benign. http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/Shadowrun_corporations
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Volcott posted:Compared to the average corporation in cyberpunk fiction, 8 hours in a warehouse for a living wage is relatively benign. Shadowrun has magic and poo poo. Make comparisons to Cyberpunk or go home. 
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Weeping Wound posted:Leto II is a literal dictator that rules for 5000 years to force humanity to evolve along some Golden Path doesn't it end with him abolishing all authority by some huge migration?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Shadowrun has magic and poo poo. Make comparisons to Cyberpunk or go home. I don't remember anything about Neuromancer, but I'm sure there were lovely corporations.
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Top City Homo posted:doesn't it end with him abolishing all authority by some huge migration? he arranges his own assassination, with the resulting collapse of the restrictions he placed on expansion, along with political chaos and widespread famine, leading to a huge migration
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May 4, 2017 19:10
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I still hope that we're living in the vampire: the masquerade universe
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Hodgepodge posted:he arranges his own assassination, with the resulting collapse of the restrictions he placed on expansion, along with political chaos and widespread famine, leading to a huge migration so that's.... good...?
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Top City Homo posted:so that's.... good...? I think his dad had the better plan: gently caress off into the desert and die.
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The whole thing is incredibly dumb but it amounts to intentionally creating a repressive regime and then collapsing it to, uh, teach the people the dangers of forming governments? Like, if you wanted to socially engineer a universe full of sovereign citizens distrustful of any central authority because you thought that was the only sensible way forward for humanity.
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Not a Step posted:The whole thing is incredibly dumb but it amounts to intentionally creating a repressive regime and then collapsing it to, uh, teach the people the dangers of forming governments? Like, if you wanted to socially engineer a universe full of sovereign citizens distrustful of any central authority because you thought that was the only sensible way forward for humanity. the regime was repressive, but also secure economically and politically; the idea being to kill the meme of the patriarchal golden age forever it is kind of dumb, since herbert couldn't imagine history being driven by forces other than instinct on the one hand and elite manipulation on the other leto ii's other goal was to breed humans invisible to precognition 
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There were Dune books other than Dune? There weren't. Don't read them
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wizard on a water slide posted:There were Dune books other than Dune? Dune Messiah was... alright? Needed more Sting.
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all the dune books are good
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Baloogan posted:all the dune books are good Do not believe this man.
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maybe u didn't understand them?
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Baloogan posted:maybe u didn't understand them? I understand what jerking off looks like.
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