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Baloogan posted:iirc herbert's wife had medical issues so he shat them out quickly to make $$$, but the story is great the ancient and malevolent order of sex nuns
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Honestly, the weird sex stuff in the later Dune books is pretty tame for sci-fi, and doesn't even show up until the unfinished series after God Emperor.
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the main point of Dune was that computer bad
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Weeping Wound posted:the main point of Dune was that computer bad nooooooooooooooooooooo
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computer good tho what a maroon
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I understand what jerking off looks like.
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rudatron posted:What have u got against jerking ofg It's only good when I do it.
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Not a Step posted:The Imperium are a bunch of zealot fascists who don't understand how anything works and are opposed to any form of advancement. Everything about them is in direct opposition to what their chief holy figure would have wanted, which is a cute nod to modern religion. The entire point was that there were no good guys when it came to endless war, except maybe the Orks because whatever else is happening they're having fun. Also everything was a lot goofier and fun before the grimdark settled in. Hodgepodge posted:Honestly, the weird sex stuff in the later Dune books is pretty tame for sci-fi, and doesn't even show up until the unfinished series after God Emperor.
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Pierson posted:That was my point yeah. At least we still have Dredd, another creation of bitter 80s Brits that somehow resisted the worst impulses of its own fanbase. I've said it before, but the 70s were the horniest decade in human history.
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TheDon01 posted:The real question is where does Boner Robin fall on the political spectrum?  From what I can see, he leans to the left.
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Weeping Wound posted:the main point of Dune was that computer bad mentat thinking emoji
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I've said it before, but the 70s were the horniest decade in human history.
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Pierson posted:the biggest swolest milsperg sci-fi reactionary in the world doesn't gently caress as much as tubby bearded grognards did in the 70s, a true golden age Heinlein wrote a book about a time traveler who goes back and has sex with his own mom.
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Don't the gender Tumblr crowd gently caress all day or why would they care about orientation and identity so much
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Heinlein wrote a book about a time traveler who goes back and has sex with his own mom. This is a major conceit of the first Back to the Future movie.
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shovelbum posted:Don't the gender Tumblr crowd gently caress all day or why would they care about orientation and identity so much
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shovelbum posted:Don't the gender Tumblr crowd gently caress all day or why would they care about orientation and identity so much Well... that depends. Asexuals don't do much loving, as a general rule, although some enjoy sex but it never occurs to them to initiate. Part of the discussion of intersectionality is that the choice to NOT gently caress is just as valid as the choice TO gently caress. The rest, though? Probably yeah. Especially the 25+ crowd. I'm not sure I've ever been to a poly/kink/queer con where I was interested in having sex with interesting and willing and attractive partners and failed to do so. When you are in a consent-based culture and have a feeling of safety and security and knowledge that you will be respected whether you say yes or no? It makes saying yes a LOT easier for both men and women. The ultimate irony of MRA's and RedPill types: people who truly embrace and internalize feminism are having more and better sex than they are. Mile'ionaha has issued a correction as of 17:44 on May 5, 2017 |
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Baloogan posted:This is a major conceit of the first Back to the Future movie. Marty McFly felt bad about it though.
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Baloogan posted:This is a major conceit of the first Back to the Future movie. Also Futurama.
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Pierson posted:Everyone in the 70s who had a kink of any kind wrote a sci-fi book about it. Those guys were horny 24/7. That, and sex sells books. If anything, stuff like Warhammer and Tolkien are outliers for not having any loving going on (albeit for different reasons in those two examples).
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Hodgepodge posted:That, and sex sells books. I mean, there's everyone even remotely connected to Slaanesh.
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Volcott posted:I mean, there's everyone even remotely connected to Slaanesh. As far as I can tell, they tend to pointedly not explore that territory in official materials, because they know exactly where that road ends.
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So you end up with Saanesh cultists and Dark Eldar riding to war in S&M gear, but they never ever gently caress. Which is a pretty good metaphor for Warhammer fandom, if you think about it
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Hodgepodge posted:slaanesh cultists 
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Noise Marines are a pretty good example of how 40k occasionally redeems itself from its own audience.
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Hodgepodge posted:like leto ii won't shut up about how the point of his rule is to make sure humanity is sick of the idea of a strong daddy on a genetic level Well it's a pretty good plan, I mean if you viciously oppress people then give them an escape to rebuild a new society they'll certainly create a bold new culture free of exploitation and authoritarian control, just like Israel.
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Wheeee posted:Well it's a pretty good plan, I mean if you viciously oppress people then give them an escape to rebuild a new society they'll certainly create a bold new culture free of exploitation and authoritarian control, just like Israel. But maybe, just maybe, if you make the oppression bad enough it will sour people forever on totalitarian regimes! 
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They talk about it a bunch in Trad Games but Slaneesh lore got stomped into dust when they woke up and realised "uuuuuuh every single queer-coded person in our vast universe works for literally Satan".Hodgepodge posted:Which is a pretty good metaphor for Warhammer fandom, if you think about it
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Pierson posted:The entire output of Warhammer 40k is a setting created by grognards forced to live in Thatcherite Britain, now controlled by second generation fans who thought actually endless war and fascist ubermensch were extremely cool and good let's make them the protagonists. More recently I think a lot "Dedicated Fans" are mad because Rowboat came back and went to the Emps who told him "Start innovating and making new poo poo" lol
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Pierson posted:They talk about it a bunch in Trad Games but Slaneesh lore got stomped into dust when they woke up and realised "uuuuuuh every single queer-coded person in our vast universe works for literally Satan". Not sure how that applies, since Slaanesh represents decadent debauchery, and queer people aren't necessarily debauched. But I guess tradgames posters would know more than me, a guy who has only played the video games.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Not sure how that applies, since Slaanesh represents decadent debauchery, and queer people aren't necessarily debauched. queer people don't necessarily do a lot of things that we are stereotyped as doing, friend tbh i can't tell if i'm quoting a joke post that is purposefully obtuse Badger of Basra has issued a correction as of 04:51 on May 6, 2017 |
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Badger of Basra posted:queer people don't necessarily do a lot of things that we are stereotyped as doing, friend You're making a bad assumption is all.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Not sure how that applies, since Slaanesh represents decadent debauchery, and queer people aren't necessarily debauched. But I guess tradgames posters would know more than me, a guy who has only played the video games.
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Hodgepodge posted:Noise Marines are a pretty good example of how 40k occasionally redeems itself from its own audience. "Noise Marines are perfect hedonists, completely dedicated to pushing their corrupted minds and bodies to the absolute limits of sensation." lmao
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Vox Nihili posted:"Noise Marines are perfect hedonists, completely dedicated to pushing their corrupted minds and bodies to the absolute limits of sensation." and also: same
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Pierson posted:Current nerd poo poo is just incredibly bloodless when it comes to sex. There's this series you should check out, you probably haven't heard of it...
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Pierson posted:Current nerd poo poo is just incredibly bloodless when it comes to sex. I mean, I guess that's true unless you realize that Jacqueline Carey and Shibari (anime cons usually have at least one panel) and fanfic is all 'nerd poo poo' Hodgepodge posted:There's this series you should check out, you probably haven't heard of it... Can't tell if we're talking about the same thing.
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Mile'ionaha posted:I mean, I guess that's true unless you realize that Jacqueline Carey and Shibari (anime cons usually have at least one panel) and fanfic is all 'nerd poo poo' lmao
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Pierson posted:In a more complex setting yeah you'd be absolutely right but growing up with this stuff I remember anything to do with sex was all about Slaneesh or later Dark Eldar. I don't know if it's better now but as a working class lad in the 90s Slaneesh was definitely the faction where all that stuff went on and was bad, and everyone else was very much duty/honor/sacrifice. Well, in 40k all art, love and curiosity have been stamped out. On purpose. It's a world where evil won and fascism is the default world order. The only time sex is discussed it's either by the type of demons who embody unfathomable hedonism or the ancient aliens who spawned them. They're less "eeeeeeeeeeeh" when there's actual love and artistic expression in the world they're in, too, so you can contrast a good romantic relationship or an actual artist with a cult of noblemen that turned a whole town into a horrifying sex dungeon and be like "yeah, that's the demonic stuff." If a world has no love or sex or art whatsoever you're forced to be super explicit and there's nothing for people to bounce it off of. The more I think about 40k the more I realize that a setting needs to have a hero, because you can't present a completely terrible world without having people try and find some good in it. It's why the Imperium ended up being the Good Guys, cause they're humans and the goddamn universe needed a hero in it someplace and they were not willing to make it the Tau. Horror only works when you care about the people who are scared.
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