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But there are so many insanely good games out in the world that you could name a hundred distinct top 5s with no overlap and there wouldn't be a single entry where you're like "really, that game?"
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I think there's only one black guy in Chrono Trigger and he's part motorcycle.
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May 5, 2017 02:18
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the best video game is DROD: Second Sky
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I actually think that Games really suffer narratively, and there's nothing out they're with a great story. Mgs2 and deus ex are okay (and relevant to cspam), witcher 3 is good and enjoyable story-wise, like listening to a like a fairy tale can be (the hearts of stone expansion is better than the base game at this) jrpgs and wrpgs like mother and undertale can be fun and emotionally engaging. But 'Great' is different. Great has to not just be good, it has to be itself become a metaphor, it has to have something unique to say. Eg- Catch-22 isnt just a funny story, its about the way bureaucracies and systems encountered in modern life are dehumanizing and absurd. I think the closest are probably mgs2 and deus ex, but the former is way too on the nose and the later does have a theme, but I think it might have been there unintentionally.
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May 5, 2017 03:15
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people get pissed off when a game has a great story, which is why most developers don't bother. like hotline miami 2, so much effort was put into bringing the series full circle and all anybody talks about it is long corridors
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May 5, 2017 03:23
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Hotline miami 2 didn't have a great story I love hotline miami, but its not really story focused, yet the first one arguably had a better narrative - adding more backstory didn't really add to the message HM had to say
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May 5, 2017 03:26
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FactsAreUseless posted:Top 5: Good taste. I'm playing Nier: Automata right now and it's super fun.
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May 5, 2017 03:38
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yeah hm1's story was incredibly fitting with the kind of game it was, it's chaotic and only semi-coherent with really sudden stops and starts and neither the player or the character fully understand what's going on or why they're doing the things they do i iddn't actually play hm2 because of its negative buzz but it was also the kind of game that i didn't really think needed a sequel, it's like trying to make lightning strike twice
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May 5, 2017 03:38
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Games with great stories are essentially interactive stories, and not video games. "Video game developers" are beyond the point of just making "video games." Games should always be about player actions. You can't express player actions fully in a great story game because the story is already there for you to just discover. If you want a really great story your best option is still to read a book, watch a movie, or listen to a storyteller.
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May 5, 2017 03:49
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Story games are an extension of story forms that already existed like Choose Your Own Adventures or simply oral history traditions in which the storyteller changed the story to suit his/her needs. "Simulation games" are literally just simulations. "Educational games" are literally just educational tools.
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May 5, 2017 03:54
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May 5, 2017 04:22
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Video games are cool and I wish I played more of them, not less. Been trying to replay the original Starcraft + Brood War campaign ever since that free release dropped but I have been hella busy since then! Playing the new Shovel Knight DLC in little bits here and there, it's real good.
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May 5, 2017 05:11
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Frijolero posted:Games with great stories are essentially interactive stories, and not video games. "Video game developers" are beyond the point of just making "video games." So, eg as mentioned before, one thing Hotline Miami did really well was use game mechanics to set the tone + atmosphere. That's more than just 'interactive story', that's using the medium's advantages to convey subtle meaning. Cinematography is full of poo poo like that, the use of camera angles and such. Like I get it, walking simulators are dumb, but you shouldn't go too far in the other direction.
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May 5, 2017 05:14
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C-Euro posted:Video games are cool and I wish I played more of them, not less. Been trying to replay the original Starcraft + Brood War campaign ever since that free release dropped but I have been hella busy since then! I'm seriously considering writing my own AI script and submitting it, because they're all loving terrible, and starcraft is one of those games where fighting the terrible ui (and the limitations it imposes) is like half of the challenge.
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May 5, 2017 05:18
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FactsAreUseless posted:Top 5: i only played chrono trigger once but i ought to dig out my DS and play it again
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Frijolero posted:Games with great stories are essentially interactive stories, and not video games. "Video game developers" are beyond the point of just making "video games." "video game" is an arbitrary label imposed on a type of media by capitalism in order to facilitate the easy marketing of products. im not really interested in doing a marketers job for them by trying to create arbitrary definitions that they can use to isolate market segments. so if someone wants to call something a video game i really dont give a poo poo
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May 5, 2017 07:29
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Concordat posted:I think there's only one black guy in Chrono Trigger and he's part motorcycle. I read a book about Chrono Trigger, and part of it explains why everyone in the game is white. https://bossfightbooks.com/products/chrono-trigger-by-michael-p-williams He says that the Square (and many other Japanese media companys) would go to some effort to remove any "cultural odor" from their products in order to increase its international appeal. The word associated with that idea is "mukokuseki" and I guess it comes from this book, "Recentering Globalization: Popular Culture and Japanese Transnationalism" by Koichi Iwabuchi. Really makes you think
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May 5, 2017 07:55
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FactsAreUseless posted:But there are so many insanely good games out in the world that you could name a hundred distinct top 5s with no overlap and there wouldn't be a single entry where you're like "really, that game?" dr robotnik's mean bean machine, in every spot
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May 5, 2017 08:03
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ya chrono trigger is a fantastic game the music is also irl good too also wow killing the main character?!?! i love the end of time too, the piles of very different settings
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May 5, 2017 11:05
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rudatron posted:I actually think that Games really suffer narratively, and there's nothing out they're with a great story.
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May 5, 2017 12:05
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FactsAreUseless posted:A game will never have a singular voice or vision, and anyone who says a game does is inevitably ignoring all the other people who contributed. this is why 'one man games' like cave story, dwarf fortress, or aurora can be so compelling.
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May 5, 2017 12:08
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Baloogan posted:this is why 'one man games' like cave story, dwarf fortress, or aurora can be so compelling.
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May 5, 2017 12:13
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Confession: I've never played Chrono Trigger. It's been sitting on my Wii(!) Virtual Console for years but I just haven't gotten around to it. I'm almost certain I'd love it too, Final Fantasy VI from that same era is one of my all-time favorites!
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May 5, 2017 12:58
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what us president is most analogous to steven armstrong, without invoking trump
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Relin posted:what us president is most analogous to steven armstrong, without invoking trump reagan
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May 5, 2017 12:59
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Baloogan posted:reagan now do the same but lavos
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Betsy LaVos
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Al! posted:now do the same but lavos obama
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May 5, 2017 14:33
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trump is magus then, we think hes a bad guy at first but then we realize he only did what he did to defeat a much greater evil
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May 5, 2017 14:59
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lavos soros 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
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May 5, 2017 15:02
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soros is a great name for a videogame antagonist
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May 5, 2017 15:01
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Baloogan posted:soros is a great name for a videogame antagonist or a pokemon
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May 5, 2017 15:07
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i play lots of space station 13. goonstation ftw
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May 5, 2017 15:07
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ive played a bunch of ss13 but its so cliquey
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May 5, 2017 15:07
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Al! posted:now do the same but lavos Lavos is capitalism.
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Trump is Dalton
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i continue to play video games not because i enjoy them anymore but its all i know how to do w/r/t hobbies
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tenderjerk posted:i continue to play video games not because i enjoy them anymore but its all i know how to do w/r/t hobbies
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FactsAreUseless posted:Lavos is an all-powerful immortal parasite that seeks only to multiply itself, and it corrupts a society and divides it into those who have access to its powers and an underclass that does not. Yet this same magical division eventually destroys the nation, leading to a society of equals. timandericmindblown.gif
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Cart Life is a good one for understanding how the gig economy will work in like 2 years and Papers Please is a great game because its gameplay works towards the motivation of the character as opposed to it. Also has anyone said 'ludology' yet? Ludology.
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