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Fansy posted:So we'll have robots making public art, taking care of disadvantaged kids, socializing with residents at nursing homes no, we'll just have computers and machines (and some robots) multiplying and optimizing human labor more and more efficiently and we'll need fewer and fewer people employed also every field of art and entertainment is close to having an infinite amount of content from the viewpoint of the audience because so much of it is produced that one person can't realistically expect to experience all of it (or even most of it) so it doesn't matter if the robots figure out how to paint or sing because we have so many people trying to do that those fields are in effect already automated
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:i don't think you really get automation there is no field of human labor that is safe from being automated whatever the hell you do for a living, there's someone trying to figure out how to either get a machine to do it, or make a tool or program that makes labor more efficient so there's fewer people who need to do it figuring out how to make labor more efficient has been the story of human history since it began
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May 6, 2017 02:33
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:yeah great but just because a field of work is oversubscribed doesn't mean it's automated hope this helps I didn't say it was
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May 6, 2017 02:41
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you should uh you should read what I actually wrote dude
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May 6, 2017 02:43
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Bip Roberts posted:Apparently Rivers Cuomo made an excel document to write new weezer songs but they all suck so I'm nut sure what that means. I actually do think we're pretty close to getting automated music produced by neural networks for some genres like with how repetitive and structured EDM poo poo is, a clever person with a good understanding of machine learning could probably get a neural network to produce music that's close to indistinguishable from human-made but something like rap is, uh, obviously a lot further away
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May 6, 2017 02:47
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anyway this is a dumbass derail the whole point of having UBI is that it protects citizens against poo poo like automation or even unpredictable crap like popularity or market trends if you work at the factory making skinny jeans and skinny jeans go out of style what's going to happen when you start selling 1/2 your previous volume of goods? you need to cut down production to avoid sitting on too much surplus, but what then? just have some of your workforce sitting around doing little-to-nothing while getting paid the same? at that point everyone would just be better off getting UBI and then the people who really want to make skinny jeans could start a coop venture to produce them at a worker-owned factory so they could all just agree that "yes, we will make fewer skinny jeans because there is less demand"
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May 6, 2017 02:51
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we wouldn't need to print money for uhc because uhc would be cheaper for the government than what we have now it would be cheaper for the government than what we had before the aca
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May 6, 2017 03:17
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:everybody with half a brain in eurasia keeps their savings in dollars and erasing their money would definitely not be a massive boon to the developing world at all and would probably lead to a bunch of people dying but hey at least it would get rid of your student debt, america first!!! this already happens every few years because of capitalism anyway it happened back in 2008 it's gonna happen again sometime soon
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May 6, 2017 12:03
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:"capitalism is not a perfect economic system that can transcend physical reality and provide for everyone, so anything i propose has to be better by definition" is certainly not a take we have ever heard before lol your argument against ubi is that "printing a bunch of money will destroy the global economy" we did that back in 2009 and it didn't
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May 6, 2017 13:38
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:no my argument is that printing a bunch of the worlds reserve currency and introducing it into super high-velocity circulation is going to wreck the global economy for some time ubi doesn't require printing a bunch of money though so that's a weird argument to make
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May 6, 2017 14:51
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:yeah good thing this argument stands even if we don't print any new money for ubi then this isn't really a correct assumption though again, in 2009 the US was at 10% unemployment, now it's at 4.4% in five years it went from 10% to 5.5% this is essentially the same effect as injecting a large amount of spendable money into the economy that would happen with a gradual implementation of ubi the global economy has not crashed
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May 6, 2017 15:05
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the market can't be truly free if there is coercion bing bing bong bong so simple
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May 6, 2017 16:15
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quote:A recent survey of economists at leading institutions purports to show that 58% oppose a universal basic income, while only 2% support it. However, the survey asked specifically about a UBI that replaces all other social insurance programs and is paid only to adults over 21. Many opposed these qualifications, not UBI itself. quote:Richard Schmalensee (MIT) said, “A properly designed negative income tax could be part of a better policy, but replacing everything is a bad idea.” Similarly, Eric Maskin (Harvard) replied, “A minimum income makes sense, but not at the cost of eliminating Social Security and Medicare.” And Christopher Udry (Yale) opined that UBI could work if “coupled with universal health care and tax reform … but we are far from that.” quote:For instance, the Nobel Laureate Angus Deaton voted “Disagree”, despite having recently come out in favor of “basic income grants”. Even distinguished MIT Professor Abhijit Banerjee — who is an advisor for GiveDirectly’s basic income pilot and recently wrote a compelling case for UBI in The Indian Express — voted “Uncertain”. etc etc
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May 6, 2017 22:13
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rudatron posted:ubi doesn't lead to inflation, that's just bullshit. no but you see if you give everyone $15 minimum wage the price of a hamburger at mcdonalds will go up to $10
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May 7, 2017 01:33
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