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ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Valid. I don't think I'd be able to recognize most of the Item Get screens though, he was surprised when I told him where it came from.

Hokay. With Sonic Mania in motion now, and all the crazy channel boosting that was going on at the time out of the way, I can get us back on track for good. Let's keep the train rolling and finish off Chapter 8, yeah?

Part 49: "The Legend of Melda"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNhtmTSdp5U

Part 50: "Shithorse"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKr3ARJs2oM

Part 51: "QuanTom Physics"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1JXnVRJHjI

Part 52: "Beat Your Dads"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm9IAdSXRkY

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Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Until this moment in my life I have never realized how much I would enjoy seeing a big fat robot jackhammering around on his own butt.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
That description just makes me think of Mack from Super Mario RPG. I still can't decide if Mack is the little puppet-looking dude standing on the knifey pogo stick, or if Mack IS the knifey pogo stick and the thing that looks like a puppet-looking dude is just decoration...

I've once again let things fall behind, so we're getting Chapter 9 moving and... I think the end of this is gonna be interesting to you folks. I'm starting to think we're vastly underleveled going into the final chunks of the game, but here goes nothing... (more to come when Part 59 drops in an hour)

Part 53: "Amazon Championship Edition Turbo"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viGlcsu6lvo

Part 54: "Buff Dumplings"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_A83cyAMMw

Part 55: "Spin Doctors Hate Him"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyVQuaDxhe0

Part 56: "So When's It Gonna Get Done?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFsh4fKll2Y

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
"You cannot stop me, X! I fight for the future! THE FUTURE WHERE I KILL YOU!"

At this point I seriously just want to blame memes. Reploids just got the idea that if they killed enough humans something good would happen, and it's not going away.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
See, that's the thing, this is another one of those games where the bad guys are not quite entirely necessarily Mavericks (at least at first?), but the harsh black-and-white morality comes into play and boom, they're genocidal terrorists.

And now, the fight brings us through not just Scarface again, but... Epsilon?

Part 57: "Revulva"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E79EwIzWrUk

Part 58: "Can't Find the Salt"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i87gZ-l2Aw

Part 59: "A Back-End Guy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl-fXh0fP-M

Part 60: "He Punched Me So Hard I Almost Died"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKwgJQgCtVE

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

ricdesi posted:

See, that's the thing, this is another one of those games where the bad guys are not quite entirely necessarily Mavericks (at least at first?), but the harsh black-and-white morality comes into play and boom, they're genocidal terrorists.

And now, the fight brings us through not just Scarface again, but... Epsilon?


They were never genocidal terrorists.

raisamike3
Oct 13, 2012

MonsterEnvy posted:

They were never genocidal terrorists.

They want to use an experimental substance as a power source to attach to a rocket that they want to use to gain Independence by any means necessary?
Maybe not genocidal but certainly terrorists and they definitely need to be stopped.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

raisamike3 posted:

They want to use an experimental substance as a power source to attach to a rocket that they want to use to gain Independence by any means necessary?
Maybe not genocidal but certainly terrorists and they definitely need to be stopped.

True. Though all of this would have been avoided had the Maverick hunters not attacked them in the first place.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
That's some really proficient gamescrew. Three consecutive boss fights and it saves after the first one.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Right? "Oh, you wanna regroup and grind a little before you fight? Hope you're cool with fighting Scarface again! ...oh, you're not? That's okay, you can just fight Epsilon at half-strength forever!" What a bunch of assholes.

So, we tried to keep this week going as far as videos, but both John and I were out of the state over the weekend, and wound up needing to take a breather upon our return, so we're two episodes behind. We're gonna get things started again on Monday with Part 65, then put out an extra on Saturday and Sunday each to make up for the missing two. This week, we finally kick that fucker Epsilon's rear end (barely barely barely, oh god), and see the full fury of... the Boss Rush.

Part 61: "Really, Really hosed"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIXusfH2334

Part 62: "Not Here for the First Time"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1mwJp3lRr8

Part 63: "Gotta Go Out with a Bang"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq8GrP6uwB8

Part 64: "Eight Super-Powered Robot Masters"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQFZ_H1gvzs

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
From an RPG perspective, I liked the Lavos boss rush. Didn't change the stats of pretty much everything and you tore it up from the floor up with your endgame gear and moves.

This does not look to be that.

Or the Mario RPG "boss rush" where the end dungeon was full of mass-production versions of the previous big bosses.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?

Glazius posted:

From an RPG perspective, I liked the Lavos boss rush. Didn't change the stats of pretty much everything and you tore it up from the floor up with your endgame gear and moves.

This does not look to be that.

Or the Mario RPG "boss rush" where the end dungeon was full of mass-production versions of the previous big bosses.

Both of those were a lot of fun -- the Chrono Trigger one since you got to just tear the old bosses to shreds, and the Super Mario RPG one since you got to beat up on the copies, some of which were leveled up, some of which were leveled down (mostly the later ones).

This game is a lot less forgiving, since the boss rush features wildly leveled-up dudes. Except (thank gently caress) this game only has you go up against the first five boss battles again, keeping the Cadre out of it completely. Doesn't mean they aren't still going to be trouble (though if I'm honest, Wild Jango II was the hardest of the five).

Part 65: "The Legend of Menus"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs1XybUK83E

Part 66: "A Little Bit Wonky"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj3L6HWlmqE

Part 67: "Gehenna My Balls"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFo88XABI4M

Part 68: "Handsy Right to Fisty"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdFUFe9Sbco

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Saying that there hasn't been a really outstanding Mega Man fan game yet made me wonder - has anyone there played 20XX yet? It's kind of a Mega Man X roguelike.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?

Glazius posted:

Saying that there hasn't been a really outstanding Mega Man fan game yet made me wonder - has anyone there played 20XX yet? It's kind of a Mega Man X roguelike.

Not yet, though we did see it at PAX a year or two ago and it looked fantastic. Definitely looking forward to it, we deserve at least a good Mega Man-like if nothing else.

Let's put Redips in the ground. That son of a bitch orchestrated the whole thing, and there are even a few surprises in the mix...

Part 69: "Fish with the Legs of a Man"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5V73ox2ExE

Part 70: "Here Grows Nothing"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVSIIgN_xaA

Part 71: "Mobile Suit Kefka Gundam Sigma Sephiroth"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lcc97lRl3M

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
So surprise, surprise! It's a Mega Man RPG, which means there's a postgame. I've broken down the postgame into five missions: Lagrano Ruins, the Eternal Forest, Melda Ore Plant, Tianna Camp, and Floor B999. That order gives us the most flexibility and the most opportunity to grind and re-equip ourselves before the last two, whose bosses promise to be... difficult.

Postgame Part 1: "A Fun New Original Fresh Idea"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_9kyuIfHq0

Postgame Part 2: "We're Gonna Highlight Your Boobs"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yV1pPAuKRM

Postgame Part 3: "Did I Say You Could Stop?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFn-Av93sYg

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Alright, so from here on out, the Postgame is gonna take a pretty wild turn in the "hard as poo poo" department.

First off, we have to get X and Zero's alternate (read: much loving better) Hyper Mode transformations for us to even have a prayer.

Postgame Part 4: "This Meltdown Looks Operable"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVqVXh0GC-w

Postgame Part 5: "I Am Science"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvcE-Bg2lSI

And then, it's off to fight the final bosses of the postgame: The Ninetails Clan. First up is Onetail, and... it's a little loving tough.

Postgame Part 6: "Talking Up This Episode & Nothing Actually Happens"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SviyDvajsAs

Postgame Part 7: "A Reasonable Amount of Damage"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXJ3PxQQWgw

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
So if anyone out there is unfamiliar, the Tails Clan is a series of nine successive battles with a pile of Reploids that have unusual (and usually deeply frustrating) battle tactics that make for tricky business. Onetail will heal, Fivetails will call for backup copies of himself, Sixtails has a ten-turn limit before he makes himself essentially invincible. There's a lot of poo poo going on in here.

But over time, these battles seem to be getting slightly easier... somehow I feel the final battle won't be so generous.

Postgame Part 8: "Don't Do That"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBoKnedA13Y

Postgame Part 9: "He's Gotta Know"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2SGbZ7PCN8

Postgame Part 10: "A Real Heavy Ball Beater"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uMkfCrVHdI

Postgame Part 11: "Where They Make All the Cereal"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSx7L9jpic8

Postgame Part 12: "Curve Over Oh Boy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14IhBOdOmds

Postgame Part 13: "A Little Friend to Keep You Company"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jODqiF0G_8A

Postgame Part 14: "Corpse Pose"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYCrG1sjYuE

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Alright, let's see how we do in our first attempt against Ninetails...

Postgame Part 15: "Some First-World Enhancements"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QpMOBeFZZc

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
I was SO NOT expecting to be able to manage to take Ninetails down on my first try, holy poo poo.

But with that, it looks like this will be the end of this thread for a little while, as we're going to be taking on Mega Man Zero 3 before we come back to close out the trilogy with Mega Man X8. The good news is X8 is pretty much the best X game since at least X4, in my opinion anyway. The bad news is that Zero 3 is pretty much the hardest game in its subseries, so... we might be a while.

If you want to follow along with that, I'll be reviving the Zero series thread starting a new thread since the old one is archived later this afternoon. If not, I'll see you guys when we get to X8!

ricdesi fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Oct 9, 2017

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Hah commenting too late to say :rip: on missing out stealing the Supra Force Metal Fragments from Redips, but you managed!

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Yeah, that would have been rad as hell (and would have made the Tails Clan battles a lot easier), but alas, I paid way way way too little attention to stealing stuff for this playthrough.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
WE ARE BACK for the final entry in the Axlogy! ...This might be one of our worst episodes yet.

Part 1: "Where Does It End?" | Intro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtt4N1v6RJs

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
I hope you can find a not-poo poo controller. That's kind of a concern as games in general age - who even makes peripherals anymore?

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Yeah that was embarrassing. Combined with John's inability to charge.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Glazius posted:

I hope you can find a not-poo poo controller. That's kind of a concern as games in general age - who even makes peripherals anymore?

Yeah, I broke out my old Dreamcast a few months ago to see how the games held up. The games were fine, my controller was literally falling apart.

darealkooky
Sep 15, 2011

You sayin' I like dubs?!?
If you're having controller issues try the PC port, unlike every other capcom port from that era it actually works just fine on more modern systems and you can just joy2key a controller if it doesn't already pick up on it

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

darealkooky posted:

If you're having controller issues try the PC port, unlike every other capcom port from that era it actually works just fine on more modern systems and you can just joy2key a controller if it doesn't already pick up on it

The PC port is basically impossible to find, though. IIRC even the legal release came with some really lovely rootkey DRM.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
The PC version also looks better.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
OKAY THEN, let's try this again.

Part 2: "Press Select to Shut Her Up"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-nb48f1w5M

As for stuff that isn't quickly addressed in that video -- I think we recorded it in a non-optimal way. We're recording more on Sunday, I'll double-check to see if there's a sharper image we can get from it. We do have a good controller going now, so that won't be an issue anymore.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Yeah, they learned a whole butt-ton of lessons from X7, looks like. No painstaking narration of all these guys and their plans.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Just a heads up but if you're going to be playing as X in this game for any length of time you HAVE to start using the charge shot, there are some enemies (and a couple bosses) in this game that cannot be hurt unless you guard break them first.

Also go back to the intro stage after you beat it, there's a Dr. Light capsule hidden behind a door that was previously inaccessible.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Larryb posted:

Just a heads up but if you're going to be playing as X in this game for any length of time you HAVE to start using the charge shot, there are some enemies (and a couple bosses) in this game that cannot be hurt unless you guard break them first.

Also go back to the intro stage after you beat it, there's a Dr. Light capsule hidden behind a door that was previously inaccessible.

John never got used to the charge shot I think we only have to worry about that when he plays.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

MonsterEnvy posted:

John never got used to the charge shot I think we only have to worry about that when he plays.

There are other options available (like just rapid firing with Axl), but fair warning that there is a boss later on that has an unavoidable insta-kill attack if you fail to guard break and finish him off within a time limit so you might want to start getting used to this mechanic now.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Been watching the recent episodes and I feel they have forgotten how to play X. The fact they are not using the super useful navigator Pallet, and have yet to check out the R&D lab is making me scared for them. (They also need to try getting use to the Double attack so they can use it on bosses.)

The fact they managed to snatch defeat from the Jaws of victory with Pandamonium worries me as well.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

MonsterEnvy posted:

Been watching the recent episodes and I feel they have forgotten how to play X. The fact they are not using the super useful navigator Pallet, and have yet to check out the R&D lab is making me scared for them. (They also need to try getting use to the Double attack so they can use it on bosses.)

The fact they managed to snatch defeat from the Jaws of victory with Pandamonium worries me as well.

Yeah, but don't worry too much about always trying to use the Double Attack (you could have easily killed Bamboo Pandemonium on your second try fighting him).

Also be sure to use the shop from time to time as it's the only way you can get Sub Tanks, Heart Tanks, extra lives, etc. If you switch to your partner after getting hit your previous character can gradually recover health, if you go back to the intro stage there's a Dr. Light capsule behind a door below where you fought that giant Bee and finally, as I've said before, if you're going to play as X then CHARGING IS MANDATORY IN THIS GAME.

You guys are making this a lot harder on yourselves than you need to.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Nov 14, 2017

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Yup, we are making this brutally and unnecessarily difficult for ourselves. Bear with us, it all gets better soon.

Part 3: "Sad Panda" | Bamboo Pandamonium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-OpggYNbYo

Part 4: "I Can't Climb That Wall" | Dark Mantis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhA4VfaOxNA

dotchan
Feb 28, 2008

I wanna get a Super Saiyan Mohawk when I grow up! :swoon:

Glazius posted:

Saying that there hasn't been a really outstanding Mega Man fan game yet made me wonder - has anyone there played 20XX yet? It's kind of a Mega Man X roguelike.

I've seen people play it. It has some design decisions I do not agree with, to wit:

1) It is also a bullet hell, which doesn't really work in a precision platformer because you don't have fast enough speed to dodge enemy spam, especially not at the beginning.

2) Boss HP is not scaled properly to player upgrade progress, and so everything is a gigantic bullet sponge.

ricdesi
Mar 18, 2014

Does it really need saying?
Interesting, duly noted. I've been looking forward to giving that one a try, I'll have to see about that when the time comes.

Anywho, anybody ready for a throwback in a minigame episode?

Part 5: "They Just Did" | Optic Sunflower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEC2c2MRp9I

FredMSloniker
Jan 2, 2008

Why, yes, I do like Kirby games.
So, uh, how much sooner is soon? Because watching you grate your face off and blame the cheese grater is only funny for so long. :v:

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MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

FredMSloniker posted:

So, uh, how much sooner is soon? Because watching you grate your face off and blame the cheese grater is only funny for so long. :v:

Thats a really fun analogy.

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