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Who should go #1 overall? This poll is closed. |
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| Nolan Patrick |
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7 | 12.50% |
| Nico Hischier |
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8 | 14.29% |
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2 | 3.57% |
| Edmonton Oilers |
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39 | 69.64% |
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Verviticus posted:heck, there's little to suggest heiskanen or liljegren dont have a reasonable chance of being players next year You mean besides their mediocre rear end draft years I guess?
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Jun 22, 2017 07:59
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A Typical Goon posted:You mean besides their mediocre rear end draft years I guess? Liljegren had Mono to start the season and was a first overall candidate before then. I think it's fair to say he wasn't playing at his actual skill level when he came back.
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Jun 22, 2017 09:05
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do you have any opinions on prospects that isnt just "this guy loving sucks" i dont think they are going to be put in the NHL next year, but i think they're both probably capable of contributing at above replacement if they do Verviticus fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Jun 22, 2017 11:28
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yeah my opinion is if you're nothing more than a replacement level Finnish or Swedish league player then you're probably not capable of playing at the NHL level at that time. I don't think either Heiskanen or Liljegren suck, I just don't think either is a top 15 D prospect either I don't think there is a single player from this draft that should be in the NHL next year. None are polished enough and all have flaws that they could work on at a lower level in order to maximize their development.
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Jun 22, 2017 12:04
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So, uh http://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/19689002/nhl-final-2017-mock-draft-featuring-all-31-picks-first-round quote:To reiterate, this is not my preference and ranking of various prospects. In fact, my opinion differs substantially on several players listed here. Rather, this is simply what I believe will happen on Friday based on discussions with scouts and executives all season. 
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Jun 22, 2017 14:42
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That's not ever going to happen, but I was totally about to come here and post that anyways. FABRICATED DRAFT EVE DRAMA RIGHT ON CUE
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Jun 22, 2017 14:47
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Drafting a Junior A player first overall is one way to fast track your firing
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Jun 22, 2017 14:49
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Plz plz plz do that the Devils
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Jun 22, 2017 14:54
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Yea they do this every year. Ostensibly for draft hype, and possibly stoking the fires of draft trades
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Jun 22, 2017 14:55
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Wonderllama posted:Yea they do this every year. Ostensibly for draft hype, and possibly stoking the fires of draft trades https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/745807742741286912 I said it earlier, but it's a ratings thing. I don't think it's a coincidence that Pronman is saying that the Devils might take Makar at #1, and you can read all about it if you pay for ESPN Insider. I'm putting essentially zero stock in this.
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Jun 22, 2017 14:57
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at least we have our GDT title for tomorrow
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Jun 22, 2017 15:35
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Makar seems like a hell of a player but drafting him 1st would be one of the biggest draft blunders in a long time. He is undersized and there is just no comparison to know how he will adjust to a faster and bigger game at higher levels. Makar seems like a boom or bust kind of pick and that's a big bet with number 1. I agree this is likely for ratings but crazier things have happened.
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Jun 22, 2017 16:11
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even if you like makar that much, why wouldn't you trade down? surely you could get something of value from one of the lovely teams that didn't win the lottery in exchange for giving them a chance at hischier.
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Jun 22, 2017 16:25
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ThinkTank posted:https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/745807742741286912 I think the notable difference in this instance is that Pulujaarvi was deffo a top 5 pick going in and went #4, Makar probably won't even crack the top 10 much less go #1
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Jun 22, 2017 16:33
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I think the notable difference in this instance is that Pulujaarvi was deffo a top 5 pick going in and went #4, Makar probably won't even crack the top 10 much less go #1 Oh I think Makar goes top 10 easily.
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Jun 22, 2017 16:42
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if you're, say, dallas, would you not offer something like dickinson or gurianov to new jersey for the chance to move up and pick hischier? maybe nichushkin's rights if jersey could guarantee him big minutes (and why wouldn't they at this point) and it was guaranteed that he'd come over if offered minutes. if makar is jersey's guy i don't see why they wouldn't do that.
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Jun 22, 2017 17:06
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While that's obviously bullshit, if a team thinks that highly of that guy, you'd have to think they're working on deals to snag a pick around #10 if they could get him. Devils should be in full rebuild mode, and they can trade... *looks at roster* oof...
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Jun 22, 2017 17:50
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Makar probably won't even crack the top 10 much less go #1
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Jun 22, 2017 18:14
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Verviticus posted:heck, there's little to suggest heiskanen or liljegren dont have a reasonable chance of being players next year Well there's the fact that Chychrun was the only defenseman drafted last season to actually play the whole year in the NHL. I suppose you can argue that he was an over-analyzed/nitpicked faller just like Liljegren is likely to be, but it's really hard for first-time draftees to make the NHL right away - especially defensemen. Also this draft is supposed to be weak. corn on the cop posted:Drafting a Junior A player first overall is one way to fast track your firing Kyle Turris eventually worked out, just not for the team that drafted him (lol).
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Jun 22, 2017 18:22
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Spring Break My Heart posted:Ive looked at a dozen things today all which had him going at #4 Wow. A lot of the mocks I'd seen had him going in the 12-17 range. Guess his stock went up somehow. I think he'll be fine if ends up somewhere with defensive depth that has time to develop him. Now that I've said this he'll end up in Vancouver. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Jun 22, 2017 18:36
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Now that I've said this he'll end up in Vancouver. There's talk that he's Benning's target. He announced the other day that they need a 50-60 point defenceman because apparently they grow on trees and we'll fashion a new 1st line centre from bits of old bark and Henrik's hair clippings or something.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:40
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ThinkTank posted:There's talk that he's Benning's target. He announced the other day that they need a 50-60 point defenceman because apparently they grow on trees and we'll fashion a new 1st line centre from bits of old bark and Henrik's hair clippings or something. seems like he'd take Liljegren over Makar, but maybe Dallas or Colorado takes that option off the table
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Jun 22, 2017 18:43
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ThinkTank posted:There's talk that he's Benning's target. He announced the other day that they need a 50-60 point defenceman because apparently they grow on trees and we'll fashion a new 1st line centre from bits of old bark and Henrik's hair clippings or something. Just for curiosity's sake, who would you prefer? Glass? Suzuki?
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Jun 22, 2017 18:45
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Just for curiosity's sake, who would you prefer? Glass? Suzuki? Glass or Suzuki are my #1 choices, leaning towards Glass. They're the safest bets, and after two whiffs on top-10 picks in a row the Canucks really can't afford to make a mistake here.
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Jun 22, 2017 18:46
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ThinkTank posted:Glass or Suzuki are my #1 choices, leaning towards Glass. They're the safest bets, and after two whiffs on top-10 picks in a row the Canucks really can't afford to make a mistake here. Unfortunately I think unless Vegas trades up to snag someone else I suspect their first pick'll be Glass
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Jun 22, 2017 18:47
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Unfortunately I think unless Vegas trades up to snag someone else I suspect their first pick'll be Glass Vegas is picking after the canucks
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Jun 22, 2017 18:48
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JawKnee posted:Vegas is picking after the canucks I know, but based on what ThinkTank's said they're grabbing a d-man
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Jun 22, 2017 18:49
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I know, but based on what ThinkTank's said they're grabbing a d-man Oh - why is that unfortunate? I... don't know that the canucks do that though. I think if both Dallas and Colorado pick D-men, which they both need, the Canucks will opt for a C. I'm not sure I see Benning passing up Mittelstadt though if he's still available tbh
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Jun 22, 2017 18:50
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I know, but based on what ThinkTank's said they're grabbing a d-man I don't think anyone really knows what Benning's intentions are. The press have said that Benning likes Glass (which is good) but isn't sold on any other centres and will go D if he's gone before 5 (which is bad). Then again, that's just speculation and spitballing from media types. The whole Canucks organization has been uncharacteristically quiet this off-season. I figure they're finally learning their lesson. Although, if true this is hilarious: https://twitter.com/HockeyDipshit/status/877944824577392640
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Jun 22, 2017 18:51
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Shero does love drafting D...
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Jun 22, 2017 19:01
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JawKnee posted:Oh - why is that unfortunate? Because I feel like grabbing Makar's a stretch at #5, and if he's looking to add an offensive defenceman Makar seems to be the choice. Heiskanen sounds like a potentially very good player but he seems more defensive-minded from what I've read about him, and may not be available. I actually think if Heiskanen's available Vancouver could pull the trigger and it'd be a reasonably good pick.
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Jun 22, 2017 19:02
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Okay I see. I completely misread your post and thought you were saying it's unfortunate that Vegas might take Glass.
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Jun 22, 2017 19:03
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I hope the Canucks take Glass if available. I don't mind Makar if they take him but I do think he's a big time gamble. It's hard to fault Benning on the Virtanen pick. If they had passed up on the home town kid who was not a reach at their pick we would have never heard the end of it from fans and media here. Unfortunately I just don't think he's smart or motivated enough to play his game to higher levels.
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Jun 22, 2017 19:04
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CMvan46 posted:It's hard to fault Benning on the Virtanen pick. If they had passed up on the home town kid who was not a reach at their pick we would have never heard the end of it from fans and media here. Unfortunately I just don't think he's smart or motivated enough to play his game to higher levels. I do, his stats were terrible compared to the guys ranked around the same place and no one gives a poo poo who's on the roster if they're winning.
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Jun 22, 2017 19:06
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JawKnee posted:Okay I see. I completely misread your post and thought you were saying it's unfortunate that Vegas might take Glass. Well from Vancouver's perspective, it is. They're missing out on a kid with strong potential. The only real criticism I've seen of Glass is that he isn't big enough yet, and that will come with age. This is all conjecture of course; if Marc Bergevin can make a couple smart moves in a week, maybe Benning can get something right. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Jun 22, 2017 19:08
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I have no faith in the man
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Jun 22, 2017 19:11
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ThinkTank posted:I do, his stats were terrible compared to the guys ranked around the same place and no one gives a poo poo who's on the roster if they're winning. Barely anybody complained when they picked him at the time and every "expert" and mock draft had him going around where we took him as well. People do give a poo poo though and it was a marketing dream if it worked out and junior stats are a crappy argument for drafting a player especially considering the style of game he plays.
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Jun 22, 2017 19:15
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CMvan46 posted:Barely anybody complained when they picked him at the time and every "expert" and mock draft had him going around where we took him as well. People do give a poo poo though and it was a marketing dream if it worked out and junior stats are a crappy argument for drafting a player especially considering the style of game he plays. Lots of people hated the Virtanen pick at the time, myself included. Adjusted to a full season, Ehlers (who was my choice on the day) outscored him while putting up 30ish more assists while being an inch shorter. Junior stats are the best indicator for future success for a player regardless of position or playstyle, like that has been objectively proven time and again. No one indicator is perfect, but if consider any draft pick a calculated gamble it's always safer to go with the higher scorer. As for rankings, Virtanen was below Ehlers and Nylander in essentially every ranking list except for bob. Some had him as a mid round pick, one or two had him outside the first round. In consensus rankings, Ehlers and Nylander were comfortably ahead of him. With regards to the local boy thing, who gives a poo poo if he'd worked out or not? If he had, the Canucks would have a 60-70 point skilled guy in Nylander or Ehlers to comfort them while Virtanen did his thing elsewhere as what a decent net crashing 2nd line forward? I don't think too many people would be that heartbroken. As for the idea of taking the local kid at all, answer me this: if he'd been from Humboldt, Saskatchewan would you have still drafted him? If the answer is "no" then it was a terrible decision. The most popular players in franchise history are from Sweden (Hank), Sweden (Dank), Sweden (Naslund), Russia (Bure), Sudbury (Bertuzzi), Medicine Hat (Linden), Detroit (Kesler), St. Paul (Smyl) and Montreal (Burrows). What do all those guys have in common? The fact that they put up big point totals at a time when the team was very successful. There were players from BC on the team each of those times: Morrison during the WCE era, Hamhuis during the 2011 cup run, Courtnall/Ronning in 94 and while none were ever outright unpopular, they were overshadowed by their more successful teammates. Canucks fans like one thing: winning. In fact, that's true of all fanbases in all sports. It doesn't matter how you do it, just win. Would it be great to have a Vancouver born superstar? Yeah, absolutely. Would I care if we won the cup without a BC born player on the roster? Not in the slightest, in fact I'd personally lend a hand in building a monument to whichever player led us there be they from Victoria or Siberia. Winning is what matters, and deliberately hamstringing yourself to I dunno fill a largely imagined want for your fans is a very bad way to go about it. ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Jun 22, 2017 19:40
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ThinkTank posted:I don't think anyone really knows what Benning's intentions are. The press have said that Benning likes Glass (which is good) but isn't sold on any other centres and will go D if he's gone before 5 (which is bad). Then again, that's just speculation and spitballing from media types. The whole Canucks organization has been uncharacteristically quiet this off-season. I figure they're finally learning their lesson. lmao that kid rules
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Jun 22, 2017 19:44
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ThinkTank posted:Virtanen stuff I'm not saying I liked the pick personally either. I know him personally, played with his brother all growing up, and he's not an overall hard working guy and isn't all that bright. I agree it doesn't matter where a guy is from but for casual fans it does matter. It was a marketing dream for the Canucks and I think that played in to the pick as much as the skill. The Canucks have practically nothing to sell tickets right now and haven't for years now. It's the same reason the Blue Jays went after Brett Lawrie. I still don't think stats are a be all indicator especially when guys play in different leagues, on different strength teams and the increasing number of high end guys playing in pro leagues in Europe.
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Jun 22, 2017 20:02
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