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poo poo like identity crisis makes for unreadable and unfun comics. I don't want to read comics where the supporting female characters are raped and murdered as a plot device.
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Hellsau posted:poo poo like identity crisis makes for unreadable and unfun comics. I don't want to read comics where the supporting female characters are raped and murdered as a plot device. Then don't? I wasn't aware anyone was forcing you to read anything you didn't want to read.
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May 12, 2017 06:15
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Then don't? I wasn't aware anyone was forcing you to read anything you didn't want to read. sue dibny was a fan favorite character from the lighthearted JLI if you liked that comic at all it was kind of hard to ignore them making GBS threads all over the characters from it, not to mention it was the heavily advertised ~world shattering~ event that leaked into all of the other books
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May 12, 2017 06:25
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Then don't? I wasn't aware anyone was forcing you to read anything you didn't want to read. Yeah the problem with that is if people don't buy the comics with your favorite characters, the publishers eventually can't publish comics with your favorite characters. I mean gently caress superhero comics readers but it's kind of dumb if the reason they're getting hosed is because the publishers are really stupid and publish obviously terrible comics that should have been killed when an editor heard the pitch. "Hey you know the beloved supporting characters Ralph and Sue Dibny? What if Sue was raped and then she gets murdered while pregnant?" should have been rejected immediately.
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May 12, 2017 06:31
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Hellsau posted:Yeah the problem with that is if people don't buy the comics with your favorite characters, the publishers eventually can't publish comics with your favorite characters. I mean gently caress superhero comics readers but it's kind of dumb if the reason they're getting hosed is because the publishers are really stupid and publish obviously terrible comics that should have been killed when an editor heard the pitch. "Hey you know the beloved supporting characters Ralph and Sue Dibny? What if Sue was raped and then she gets murdered while pregnant?" should have been rejected immediately. In your opinion. Identity Crisis was great. I'm sorry that comics has to take into account audience tastes and wants, I assure you I'd have loved to see many short-lived series go on longer, but you're sort of just railing at the world here. You're not obligated to consume media you don't like, and if you don't purchase it, then you may even encourage the company to try and court your dollar with stories you like. This is literally the business model, and it's what's currently motivating various more "light-hearted" and female-focused comic series. Troposphere posted:sue dibny was a fan favorite character from the lighthearted JLI if you liked that comic at all it was kind of hard to ignore them making GBS threads all over the characters from it, not to mention it was the heavily advertised ~world shattering~ event that leaked into all of the other books Sucks if you loved Sue Dibny, but DC regularly prints comic stories for literal children if you really want to read a cartoon fun story with no Bad Stuff in it. The Elongated Man being so overcome by grief that his body is falling slack as he helplessly coils his arms around his wife's corpse is a loving fantastic artistic choice. The pregnancy test part is fairly schlocky, but that's a great panel. Overwrought, but Identity Crisis isn't a particularly subtle story.
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May 12, 2017 06:37
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audience tastes and wants: seeing a beloved character get brutally raped and then murdered when she's pregnant comic fans loving suck, identity crisis was garbage and so are you
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May 12, 2017 06:39
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*Looks at comic drawing of ape-face Stretch Armstrong holding a murder-raped dead body, and also she was pregnant* Hmmm... yes. Fantastic. loving fantastic. Art. *Swishes wine glass*
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May 12, 2017 06:43
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👏what👏comics👏need👏is👏more👏rape👏and👏murder👏of👏pregnant👏women👏
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May 12, 2017 06:44
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Troposphere posted:comic fans loving suck, identity crisis was garbage and so are you lol you like dragon age 2 like come now lets be real The most bullshit part about Identity Crisis was that Deathstroke somehow manages to take out the whole Justice League by himself like what even
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May 12, 2017 06:45
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Similarly, I'm not sure what "lighthearted history" this story is making GBS threads upon. It's a dark story using familiar characters to tell it. The purpose of superhero stories, in the grand lexicon of human expression, is to serve as modern day sources of myth. DC's heroes are as much concepts as they are people, and so they're ideal for a story where they explore the potentially horrifying consequences of a superhero lifestyle. I'm talking about the early Teen Titans runs, where teenage superheroes took down bumbling villains like Dr. Light. 8-Bit Scholar posted:I can't argue taste or no taste; all my life I've basically been consuming media filled with tons of violent and sexual imagery so I guess I've a tolerance for it now, but to my understanding the rape is portrayed as a horrific action and not just some sort of excuse for titillation. I might be misremembering, it's been a long time since I read it. As I recall also, it is the crime that causes the protagonists to make the instrumental choice about the memory wiping, isn't it? So it's not completely superfluous, though again, I may be misremembering some points. It wasn't just that they wiped villain memories, it's that they messed with their minds as well. Zatanna's magic made the villains goofy, adding a darker subtext to why the Teen Titans were taking down villains like Dr. Light. It also implied that Superman knew about it and didn't care, and then showed that Batman was mind-wiped as well. Troposphere posted:it's dumb as hell actually Seconded.
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Troposphere posted:👏what👏comics👏need👏is👏more👏rape👏and👏murder👏of👏pregnant👏women👏 She wasn't pregnant when she got raped.
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May 12, 2017 06:48
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 hey guys remember this fun scene from I can't believe it's not the justice league? well what if she was raped, and then murdered while she was pregnant
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May 12, 2017 06:48
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Grem posted:She wasn't pregnant when she got raped. rape, and murder of pregnant women sorry the emojis make it hard to read sentences, if you're dumb
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Bogus Adventure posted:
Yeah that's kind of dope, as I said it presents a kind of sobering look at the reaches of the Justice League's power and the consequences for allowing your secret identity to be revealed. The primary threat of the whole story is that the love interests or families of capes would be threatened; to what extent would they go to address that? If the only limit on their power is a refusal to kill, are there not even worse things that might prompt them to do? It's a weird way to retcon some stuff, as DC likes to do, while writing a dark murder mystery that explores broad genre issues and concepts.
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May 12, 2017 06:50
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Yeah that's kind of dope, as I said it presents a kind of sobering look at the reaches of the Justice League's power and the consequences for allowing your secret identity to be revealed. The primary threat of the whole story is that the love interests or families of capes would be threatened; to what extent would they go to address that? If the only limit on their power is a refusal to kill, are there not even worse things that might prompt them to do? It's a weird way to retcon some stuff, as DC likes to do, while writing a dark murder mystery that explores broad genre issues and concepts. and it was executed in the worst way possible
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May 12, 2017 06:52
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Troposphere posted:and it was executed in the worst way possible In your opinion.
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May 12, 2017 06:53
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Here are some of the better times of goofy DC stuff 
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May 12, 2017 06:53
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Bogus Adventure posted:Here are some of the better times of goofy DC stuff superbuddies was the best thing DC ever did and didio is a moron for ruining it
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May 12, 2017 07:00
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8-Bit Scholar posted:In your opinion. and most other people who don't like 90's x-treme poo poo
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May 12, 2017 07:02
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8-Bit Scholar posted:In your opinion. this motherfucker is the worst poster in gbs
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May 12, 2017 07:04
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8-Bit Scholar posted:Yeah that's kind of dope, as I said it presents a kind of sobering look at the reaches of the Justice League's power and the consequences for allowing your secret identity to be revealed. The primary threat of the whole story is that the love interests or families of capes would be threatened; to what extent would they go to address that? If the only limit on their power is a refusal to kill, are there not even worse things that might prompt them to do? It's a weird way to retcon some stuff, as DC likes to do, while writing a dark murder mystery that explores broad genre issues and concepts. Yes, which is what would make it a good Elseworlds story to explore, not a stealth retcon that affects the entire universe.
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May 12, 2017 07:05
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Troposphere posted:superbuddies was the best thing DC ever did and didio is a moron for ruining it Someone needs to get rid of DiDio. Someone call Jean Loring.
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May 12, 2017 07:06
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You can call what happened to Sue Dibny bad but it's not even the worst part of Identity Crisis. I need a Zatanna mind-wipe to make me forget Deathstroke beating the Justice League in a tiny alleyway.
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Troposphere posted:
I feel like this could have been an alright more lighthearted/weird 60s-70s comics thread. Did you really have to spend 4 pages ranting about a terrible rape storyline that's highly disliked by most fans?
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May 12, 2017 07:39
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literally a hog posted:I feel like this could have been an alright more lighthearted/weird 60s-70s comics thread. Did you really have to spend 4 pages ranting about a terrible rape storyline that's highly disliked by most fans? comics have burned me and I must let the world know
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May 12, 2017 07:40
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a murder mystery where the killer was revealed to be some minor character who was secretly crazy and did it for no reason. right, what wonderful literature. people who think identity crisis is good have never graduated from ya novels if they read books at all.
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May 12, 2017 07:48
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Please post more weird early stuff, comic fans.
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May 12, 2017 07:52
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Troposphere posted:comics have burned me and I must let the world know Ok, but normally mods probate the weirdos who don't drop terrible derails.  Also there's been about 75 years of DC comics at this point. Focus on something else.
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May 12, 2017 07:55
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May 12, 2017 07:59
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literally a hog posted:Ok, but normally mods probate the weirdos who don't drop terrible derails. ppl usually get probated for backseat modding, too  post what you want to see more of instead of whining about ppl having a conversation
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May 12, 2017 08:04
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Bogus Adventure posted:Let's find good moments and let the healing begin: Super-complicated dating   
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May 12, 2017 08:23
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May 12, 2017 08:54
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Grem posted:You can call what happened to Sue Dibny bad but it's not even the worst part of Identity Crisis. I need a Zatanna mind-wipe to make me forget Deathstroke beating the Justice League in a tiny alleyway. Iirc it was just Wally and Green Arrow and some Titans or something. Which is still dumb. Speedsters are too powerful for most villains so they write them as awful with their powers to let the narrative progress
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May 12, 2017 10:56
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Holy moley new (2000's) comics are even worse than I thought Did every current comicbook writer read Watchmen and Miracleman and decide they had to ramp things up to get noticed?
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:a murder mystery where the killer was revealed to be some minor character who was secretly crazy and did it for no reason. right, what wonderful literature. people who think identity crisis is good have never graduated from ya novels if they read books at all. exactly this. It was so poorly planned and written that it's insane DC killed more than one character just for that dumpster fire of a story. What a shocking conclusion! The killer was someone completely random who did it by accident! What a hard-hitting look at the lives and dangers of superheroes' loved ones! 
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May 12, 2017 13:40
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I liked that one cartoon movie where it was an alternate universe and batman's dad was batman and he just shot people with a gun. edit: I would like to see that in a live action thing that would be pretty cool I guess.
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Don't forget that Identify Crisis also showed that they also hosed with Batman. He walks in just as they mind wiping Dr. Light and freaks out over how wrong it was so what do they do? They mind wipe him too. They then spin this as to why Batman is so distrusting of everyone and why he always kept a file on how to defeat each member of the JLA "just in case".Jukeboxblues posted:I liked that one cartoon movie where it was an alternate universe and batman's dad was batman and he just shot people with a gun. That's Flashpoint and DadBatMan is currently part of this whole Rebirth mess with the Watchmen
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Identity Crisis was a pile of edgy shitlord tripe so bad that I not only ditched it after the second issue, but DC comics as a whole (and haven't looked back). Well that's my hot take, thanks for listening
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