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twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
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The way some people online are talking, I should trade in all my progressive cred and start wearing a MAGA hat and read Briebart becuase I enjoy this season. Holy poo poo people are taking issue with everything, calling the show racist, and anti-woman, pro-rape and so on.

Holy poo poo, has progressives become incredibly humorless or is it just the people I know? Like Kimmy the feminist, the whole joke is these kids have these high minded and correct beliefs and ideals, but they still kids and will do dumb poo poo. Kid who calls his mom after rejecting isn't a "consent is for whiny millennials" but "this guy is a baby"" . Drunk as poo poo Xan was adorable. Everyone is completely over the top and turned up to 11, not unlike the Simpsons so everyones ridiculous. Maybe I'm just old and don't get the kids these days.

I think pretty much everyone from 30 rock save Kennith and Jack was on this season.

Omg Ray Liotta with a Bodega cat!!!

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twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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wizard on a water slide posted:

Assuming you aren't just tilting at strawmen the problem isn't that your friends are humorless, censorious progressives, it's that they're idiots.

How could you possibly think that was a joke about consent?

Because of a shallow, surface reading rather than actually getthing that part was just part of a while joke. They also complained about how Perry going "oh so white girl walks in and gets a scholarship" was never addressed even though it's pretty clear he googled Kimmy and found out what she'd been trough and realized she needed as much help as possible

Though I am not saying to a trans person "you're dumb and don't get the joke" because that sounds exactly what some alt right poo poo head would say when their racist joke doesn't go over. Though this person also complained recently that Cis people should stop using cis to describe themselves because some trans people consider themselves cis. Is there a thing such as too woke?

Spatula City posted:

I try not to let outrage addicts bother me, but the criticisms leveled at that episode in particular have been really wrongheaded. I know Fey and Carlock are middle aged, but they seem to have a pretty good grasp on millennials, and the criticism is more sophisticated than "lol look how 'woke' they are". The biting part is when it's shown that they use a cockeyed interpretation of feminism to justify doing what they would've done anyway.
The show is not without problems (Dong was a problematic character, they really should have known the heat they'd drawn for casting Jane Krakowski as a Lakota native, etc.). but the point of the rowing girls was that no matter how sophisticated and knowledgeable college kids act, they're really still just kids, and generally all that learning is used to service continuing to be kids, but with a couple layers of irony added.
There's something really fascinating about contrasting Kimmy with those girls. It's kids playacting as grownups vs. an adult that more often than not acts like a kid. part of what makes Kimmy such a good character is that she's a lot more emotionally mature than she appears to be. That makes the conclusion that she has "emotional intelligence" rather than booksmarts really work.

Yep, that's how i felt too. I always thought the Native American stuff was done fairly well. Jaquelyn's parents always came across as "here's a stereotype, oh wait no its not, native Americans are people like everyone else".

I feel like younger people judge everything by how woke it is. Or that the kind of comedy I grew up with, which involved a lot of exaggeration for comedic effect and everyone being terrible so you can get away with having some problematic characters, doesn't exist anymore. Like the Simpsons, they can get away with a character like Apu because he may be a terrible sterotype, he is still better than Homer.

Finished the season, I want more of Kimmy's dog puns.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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and I'll die if
I want to

Escobarbarian posted:

This was still a funny season but maybe the worst yet? The arcs weren't very strong and a lot of stuff felt forgotten about. The whole Russ storyline was awful - is David Cross really that busy? And there were too many A-plots about weird stuff that really isn't that funny, like the whole bathroom key episode.

As a Ray Liotta and a cat delivery system, it was great.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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I want to
I just realized when Titus came over to Jacquelyn's he said his boyfriends name was D'fawn, which was his character on 30 rock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wGMSKz3Ic0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUCAE-31_60

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2MuXDjFTy4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpVpDKZOEYc

Man i forgot how good that character was.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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and I'll die if
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Part of me kind of wishes Kimmy and Xan get a place together after she realized living with Titus is terrible. But then Titus basically moves in.

But that is kinda hackney.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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and I'll die if
I want to
I love her dad going "We came here on the great metal bird...wait what I am saying? I was in the airforce" or something to that extent.

The Seattle Cookies You think are chocolate chip but are actually raisin once you bite into them.

I loving hate that. They're cookies, they're not going to be healthy if you put rotten grapes in them!

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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esperterra posted:

Oatmeal raisin cookies are loving delicious!

But it can be offputting when you expect chocolate, I guess.

See, i'd buy the Jersey to burn, and you'd buy it to wear, Jacquelyn is a genius!

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Is there any love for Gretchen's boy cult?

"Miss Gretchen, we glued our wieners together again".

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Sash! posted:

These words came out of Jack "the Master Baiter" Donaghy: Technically, you're a catch. You've got money, status, naturally thick hair, a decent set.

If Jack was saying she was a catch, then she probably is. Just has poor taste in shoes and probably should eat less night cheese

I feel like it was about how society generally tells women they're unattractive so you buy a product. I have an incredibly gorgeous friend who lives in Brooklyn and she is always telling me when I say she looks good that she is barely a 5 for NYC, a city full of models and actresses and women who look they're them.

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twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

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Davros1 posted:

There was that episode where Jenna left for Hollywood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb1gA17Y1o0

Yea, from how she talks, either its that, or women are stereotypical old timey new yorker ladies like Georges mom. Then when she was visiting here, we were out and people kept thinking she was a model, so Toronto is the Cleveland of Canada.

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