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Nifara posted:The fact that their kickstarter delivery for Dropfleet was late, and then inconsistent and their communication was poor verging on nonexistent. The biggest screw up with it though was that most people didn't get their stuff until it had already hit retail, and the people who backed for the most money got their stuff last. Which of course is exactly the way to treat people who invest a buttload of cash into your game. Also, Hawk Dave writes rules that can be charitably described as "wobbly", that leave major problems with balance. The traditional mechanism to fixing balance has been releasing randomised card draw mechanics, which are sort of compulsory but lots of people refuse to play with. Like gently caress, that was lovely entitled gamers being lovely entitled gamers. Kickstarter is not a store. They communicated non-stop on their Kickstarter progress. They did triple shifts. Some manchild had to wait an extra month or two for a product that may not have existed if not for the backer money boo loving hoo.
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Yeah that DZC stuff is utter bollocks. They weren't perfect in their organisation, but I got my stuff in a reasonable time and there were updates on what seemed like a weekly bases for the whole duration.Atlas Hugged posted:I'm not sure which company you're trying to discuss. Could you maybe rephrase it or take this to PMs? This is a pathetic response, and it proves his point entirely. The 'Death Thread' is a cliquey shelter for insular circle jerking, and sneering at the kids who like what you don't like. It has been for a long time. indeed, that is the original and still central purpose of it. That is why its regulars are so virulently hostile to outside opinions. Lord forbid you talk about games in the relevant threads, where people who disagree with you won't be shouted down by a chorus of Godwining cretins. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 12:47 on May 12, 2017 |
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I have fond memories of collecting Tau models when I was a kid, but nowadays I look over at the 40k games at games club and see all the models rammed together on such a small space, and I wonder what's going on. The new edition changes look okay, and some of the noises GW are making are encouraging, but they don't seem to be addressing some of the problems I have with the game. I hope that at least they're a good foundation to build from, at least. My ideal game would be something where you'd pick up a Start Collecting bundle from the shelves and that'd be your army, Warmahordes style, but I don't think GW's business model wants that. I've not seen anyone at games club play WarmaHordes for ages now, they've all moved to stuff like Test of Honor or Bushido. They're pretty... trendy, I guess? They sure like buying poo poo! The Deleter fucked around with this message at 12:54 on May 12, 2017 |
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ijyt posted:Like gently caress, that was lovely entitled gamers being lovely entitled gamers. Kickstarter is not a store. They communicated non-stop on their Kickstarter progress. They did triple shifts. Some manchild had to wait an extra month or two for a product that may not have existed if not for the backer money boo loving hoo. I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand I agree that Kickstarter is not a store and people should stop treating it that way and a lot of negative feelings come back to that misconception. On the other hand, those products wouldn't be on the shelves if not for the backers and pissing them off is a good way to poison the well and make future Kickstarters tougher. But there is a lesson for other companies in there. Plan your staffing better and hire more people if you have to. I don't feel bad for companies that screw up because of management problems.
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PrinnySquadron posted:I know that Warmachine pretty much died off in a local store here when 3rd edition game out: I think people ended up waiting to see how stuff shook out then it never quite recovered: wouldn't be surprised if price hikes added to that. I was looking to get into a new game recently, and a couple of the ones I'd considered (Warmachine and Flames of War) had recently had or were just getting new editions, that were broadly panned by fans and critics. It's a shame, because I feel if I'd gotten into either in a previous edition I'd have really enjoyed it. Ended up just buying more stuff for Chain of Command and Bolt Action.
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So this is the Game Industry Cuck Thread eh? Nice place you got here. It would be a shame if someone were to... reopen the old thread. TKIY fucked around with this message at 13:34 on May 12, 2017 |
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:This is a pathetic response, and it proves his point entirely. The 'Death Thread' is a cliquey shelter for insular circle jerking, and sneering at the kids who like what you don't like. It has been for a long time. indeed, that is the original and still central purpose of it. That is why its regulars are so virulently hostile to outside opinions.
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Palladium has hired an actual business manager and swears Wave 2 for Robotech RPG Tactics is right around the corner. This is coming off the spectacular failure of the attempted Rifts board game Kickstarter. Perhaps there are some lessons learned here? Meanwhile, Mantic has begun introducing formations into Kings of War despite protests from players. These are considered entirely optional for the time being, but along with 75mm bases for monsters becoming standard is another terrible precedent being set.
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ijyt posted:Three active death threads For five buxx I'll make it four.
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Whew, this thread finally reopened. Anyone think the Knicks are actually going to deal Kristaps? It would be the Knicksiest move of all time but I have trouble believing Jackson has gotten that senile in his dotage.
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tallkidwithglasses posted:Whew, this thread finally reopened. Anyone think the Knicks are actually going to deal Kristaps? It would be the Knicksiest move of all time but I have trouble believing Jackson has gotten that senile in his dotage. He's enough of a dissident that I think Jackson will make an "example" of him and just kill the team even further Then again, I thought they should have dealt Melo like 3 years ago when it was clear they couldn't compete
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TheChirurgeon posted:He's enough of a dissident that I think Jackson will make an "example" of him and just kill the team even further Paul George, Lonzo Ball and KP on the Lakers  Honestly I bet if ownership just shitcanned Phil you'd immediately see Kristaps get along with whoever the new coach is. I don't think it's a Kristaps problem. Either way, I think I'm on the Philly bandwagon this year. I loved watching Fultz play in Seattle and that team looks like it's gonna be a ton of fun if all the youth can stick around each other and gel over the next year or two.
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tallkidwithglasses posted:Paul George, Lonzo Ball and KP on the Lakers Philly's an interesting team. Deadspin continually shits all over them for "the process" but the fact is they were right but sometimes you can make the right moves and still fail, especially if you're just unlucky when it comes to injuries. I think we're in for another Cavs/Warriors finals but I have no idea how the Cavs improve enough to compete. They need to deal Love away, maybe get Paul George, who I think is more likely to go there than the Lakers, but then they still need more help. The NBA is in a weird place right now because the most interesting part of the pre-playoffs season is figuring out how the non-Warriors teams can build a legitimate contender. Also agree on Kristaps
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I don't think anyone meaningfully challenges the Warriors next season but there's a number of teams that seem like they're poised to get really good in the next couple years as their cores get older- Philly, the Bucks and Boston are the obvious ones but the Pellies could explode if Davis and Boogie figure out how to play together and they add a PG who can take perimeter shots. Also, there's like zero chance that Westbrook stays with OKC next summer, so that could pave the way for some super team to form. This coming season feels like a bit of a scratch but I think the next 3-4 years are gonna be really interesting for a lot of teams.
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I don't really follow football, but there has never been a time when "gently caress Philly" is an inappropriate response in the history of human civilization.
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I'm anxiously awaiting the .200 winning percentage the Raptors will have next year without Lowry.
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TKIY posted:I'm anxiously awaiting the .200 winning percentage the Raptors will have next year without Lowry. Raps are doomed yeah. Not sure what they're supposed to do at this point, theyre in that unfortunate spot where they're probably too good to get lottery picks and they're definitely too bad to get through the best teams in the conference to lose to the Warriors in 5. Probably time to blow it all up and tank, tank tank. Maybe try to lure Wiggins and go full Canadian Pride? grassy gnoll posted:I don't really follow football, but there has never been a time when "gently caress Philly" is an inappropriate response in the history of human civilization. Eagles, Flyers and Phillies all suck and especially their fans suck, but the 76ers are incredibly endearing at this point and I'm really excited to watch a potentially elite starting 5 where one guy is 26, two guys are 23 and two guys are 19.
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tallkidwithglasses posted:especially their fans suck This is pretty much the entirety of my argument right here. Honestly, I forgot they had a basketball team. I'm guessing that's pretty young for a line?
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grassy gnoll posted:This is pretty much the entirety of my argument right here. It's incredibly young. Hoops players are generally in their prime between 25-30, so if they can keep this core together they have the opportunity to get everyone working together and building good relationships for the next season or two, and then potentially have everyone hitting their peak together while having the sort of strong chemistry that elevates the whole to be better than the sum of its parts. Its a lot like what OKC did after stealing Durant and Westbrook from Seattle and then adding Harden. Impatient Philly fans absolutely have the opportunity to ruin this though v  v.
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Runewars miniatures game: I'm really enjoying it, but this slow launch does NOT appear to be helping the game. I sort of observed the same thing with Armada when it was coming out and I guess it didn't die in infancy? But it's real tough to get people on board with it when my pitch is "it's like a warhammer fantasy style game, but with only two factions, and those each only have like 3 different units, and local stores aren't doing a very good job of stocking it but it's gonna be GREAT honest" Also, sculpt quality aside (I tend to agree that they're generally meh though there are some standouts like the golems and graboids) I've been disappointed in the CAST quality - mold lines are pretty bad, not well hidden, and whatever plastic they're using does not trim very well. Good game though, assuming they don't gently caress it up. edit: Oh right, the "buy models you don't want to get cards" thing. The only thing they've "committed" to is that all upgrades available to a faction will be packaged with SOMETHING in that faction. So if I want a few copies of the upcoming "piercing strike" card for my knights (a plausible scenario) but have no interest in using the crossbowmen it comes with, it ends up still being a bad distribution model. Locking critical game components in with the miniatures is still scummy, proxy all day every day. MCPeePants fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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tallkidwithglasses posted:It's incredibly young. Hoops players are generally in their prime between 25-30, so if they can keep this core together they have the opportunity to get everyone working together and building good relationships for the next season or two, and then potentially have everyone hitting their peak together while having the sort of strong chemistry that elevates the whole to be better than the sum of its parts. Its a lot like what OKC did after stealing Durant and Westbrook from Seattle and then adding Harden. Impatient Philly fans absolutely have the opportunity to ruin this though v Neat, I've actually learned a thing today. Hockey's mostly in the same boat. Prime age is about 23-28 for offense, 25-30 for D and up to about 32-35 for goal keepers. The exception is when you get generational talent, where the entire sport and the related coverage goes bugfuck for a dude still in his teens, but any time they don't deliver impossible performance they're callow youth, unfit to lick the boots of [player from when commentator played]. It's pretty cool right now because there's a preposterous number of those generational talents coming into the game all at once. The Maple Leafs lineup is a lot like how you're describing the 76ers, and they're almost back to not sucking after like fifty years. (Which you may well know, and if you do no disrespect intended, but I would rather talk about A Sport than these loving games at this point.)
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grassy gnoll posted:Neat, I've actually learned a thing today. I don't really follow hockey since my hometown has never had a team, so this is interesting! It seems like basketball, soccer and hockey all have a lot of analogues- players peak in their late 20s, and the games seem fundamentally about either creating or controlling spacing. I wonder if that's all interconnected to some degree. I know a big jump basketball players tend to make is learning "vision" and figuring out how to make high-value passes and shots, which is why you have 19 year old freak athletes making a big splash in the league, but the MVP awards always seem to go to guys in their late 20s, since they make the team around them play better.
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MCPeePants posted:Runewars miniatures game: I'm really enjoying it, but this slow launch does NOT appear to be helping the game. I sort of observed the same thing with Armada when it was coming out and I guess it didn't die in infancy? But it's real tough to get people on board with it when my pitch is "it's like a warhammer fantasy style game, but with only two factions, and those each only have like 3 different units, and local stores aren't doing a very good job of stocking it but it's gonna be GREAT honest" Also, sculpt quality aside (I tend to agree that they're generally meh though there are some standouts like the golems and graboids) I've been disappointed in the CAST quality - mold lines are pretty bad, not well hidden, and whatever plastic they're using does not trim very well. I think the release schedule works for Star Wars where there are only two or three possible factions to begin with and they have the Star Wars license and associated sales to keep the game propped up. I know some people bought everything at launch at my FLGS, but I haven't seen it played.
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My quick write up; Mierce Miniatures Born from the ashes of Maelstrom Games, an online miniatures retailer that, when faced with financial hardship and eventual bankruptcy, conducted sales at obscene discount and continually taking orders on items that were no longer in stock, with no intention of reimbursement (see: phoenixing), Mierce Miniatures is a specialist miniatures company that uses kickstarter to a very large extent, to make finely detailed resin crack. Many of their kickstarters, while several years old, are still in the process of fulfilment… Notable Games Darklands, Darkholds(?) Boneheaded Moves As mentioned above, the company arose from a process known as phoenixing (a process common to the UK, due to it not being illegal at the time (may still be legal in the UK?)). As one can imagine; having your money taken, expecting jewel like objects of wonder in return, only to be told it is gone and never to be seen again, breeds no end of ill will. Mierce has been blighted from its very inception. Further, their kickstarters, while communicative, have run for many years after their initial fulfilment promise. That is not to say they have stopped entirely, only that, this poo poo should have been done with by now. Irate Tree fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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grassy gnoll posted:This is pretty much the entirety of my argument right here. Pennsylvania delenda est tallkidwithglasses posted:I don't really follow hockey since my hometown has never had a team, so this is interesting! Have you paid attention to any of the stadium stuff recently? I stopped after the last time Chris Hansen got blocked by the port and some nonsense about a stadium in Everett was being talked about but it seems to have got even more complicated. I just want to watch hockey in Seattle.
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Its Rinaldo posted:Have you paid attention to any of the stadium stuff recently? I stopped after the last time Chris Hansen got blocked by the port and some nonsense about a stadium in Everett was being talked about but it seems to have got even more complicated. I just want to watch hockey in Seattle. It looks like OVG is going to go ahead with the Key Arena remodel, and conspiracy theorists on Twitter noticed that the NHL trademarked "Seattle Metropolitans" in Canada. Tea leaves all indicate that hockey is coming before hoops return, which makes me sad but is still exciting. Hansens arena plan is in a coma but not technically dead, and I think rebuilding Key Arena is stupid considering how horrific Mercer traffic is these days and how dense Queen Anne hill is now compared to when the Sonics were playing, but any arena progress is good by me. I would expect NHL expansion to be announced shortly after groundbreaking on the Key renovation. The mayors race complicates things but if McGinn comes back into office we'd end up with a strong advocate of the Hansen plan in city hall, which is a good thing. I'm an eternal optimist but I think we can hope for both hoops and hockey playing in a new or majorly remodeled arena by 2025. In present day NBA news, Milwaukee picking up Jimmy Butler is really exciting- they have a chance to be a real contender this year now. It's fun when small town teams get scary.
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tallkidwithglasses posted:In present day NBA news, Milwaukee picking up Jimmy Butler is really exciting- they have a chance to be a real contender this year now. It's fun when small town teams get scary. I don't really know all that much about the NBA, as I stopped following when the Supersonics died, and hadn't followed it seriously for long before that, but I too thought this would be the case as he'd make a formidable partnership with Thon Maker and the Greek Freak. Then I realised Butler had been traded to the Minnesota Timberwolves, not the Bucks, and I don't see how Butler is going to make a worthwhile dent in their 31-51 record.
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Irate Tree posted:My quick write up; These guys seem especially scummy.
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Oh cool the Death thread is back! I hope this iteration has more interesting discussions and gossip from the industry and less "no YOU" and (un)ironic "GW is cool and good" to troll the "hug box". Corvus Belli: A Spanish company with a sci-fi skirmish game that launched its third edition some two (?) years ago. The rules and web based army builder is free, with background books and physical copies of the rules available to buy. Money is made by selling relatively expensive models that you don't need that many of (technically). Model count is 10-20, but most players have a lot more because we like versatility and the models are pretty. No silly heroic scale. Comes with a robust tournament system that is updated each season (year) with new missions and tweaks to old ones. Very objective based, meaning you can lose your entire army and still win the game, black ops style. Has some game mechanics (order resource pool, Automatic Reaction Orders) and A LOT of special rules that takes some time to master even for veteran war gamers even though the core rules are very logical. Notable games: Infinity. Has a sci-fi RPG spin-of and a board game spin-of that is going to be launched in June this year. Boneheaded move: They keep putting out new profiles and models no one asked for, even though they are far behind in the production of models that have had rules for years. Many of their female models have a certain "cheesecake" feel to them, with a lot of T&A (the worst part of the manga inspiration).
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Not a viking posted:Oh cool the Death thread is back! GW is cool and good
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NTRabbit posted:I don't really know all that much about the NBA, as I stopped following when the Supersonics died, and hadn't followed it seriously for long before that, but I too thought this would be the case as he'd make a formidable partnership with Thon Maker and the Greek Freak. Yeah, my b. I wouldn't discount the Timberwolves though- Butler, KAT, and Wiggins is a very strong core going forward and I'd expect them to make noise in the playoffs next year.
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Not a viking posted:Oh cool the Death thread is back! I keep thinking they're improving, and then I look at the tech-bee and those TAG pilots...
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Atlas Hugged posted:These guys seem especially scummy. Quite true. Their behaviour since then though, so far, has been better. If only they'd give kickstarter a rest for a few years.
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Irate Tree posted:Quite true. Their behaviour since then though, so far, has been better. If only they'd give kickstarter a rest for a few years. I think Leper Flesh has touched on this before. It's kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't type of situation. It's easy money and so long as people are willing to contribute, there's not really a compelling reason for a small company not to do it. With someone like Mierce though you get the impression that the funds they collect from their latest kickstarter goes to pay for the rewards from the previous one. Not a viking posted:Oh cool the Death thread is back!  It is frustrating though that the go-to example for high quality miniatures that aren't made by GW are "anime tits". I've never really bought the argument that "this is what our sculptors want to do". It's obviously a deflection from saying, "This is what our customers want to buy." But at least with the takeout Chinese food guy they're acting self-aware.
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