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Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

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FWWM is Lynch's best film.

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May 6, 2007

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This television show is too scary.

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May 6, 2007

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Only seen 1/2 so far but it's everything I hoped it would be and more. It's a less abrasive INLAND EMPIRE, it's a sadder Mulholland Drive, it's a scarier Twin Peaks. The fact that he has so much of the cast back 25 years later is a genius move because it really illuminates the terror of passing time - Lynch has always infused his movies with the anxiety of the mundane, and there's nothing more mundane or anxiety-inducing than passing time. The glass box scene was terrifying, as was BadCooper murdering that girl in the bed ("Are you gonna kill me now?"), as was Laura screaming and flying way, and Dark Brain Tree sending Cooper into an unimaginable nothingness. I really love the scary, distinctly alien world of the Lodges, it's super discomforting and hostile in a passive way.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

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This is so loving good.

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May 6, 2007

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I think a lot of viewers just want to feel comfortable, when the whole point of Twin Peaks has always been that comfort is a thin layer on top of a gruesome darkness.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

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It's weird that people are getting hung up on the purpose of the glass box.

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May 6, 2007

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I really like how Cooper is essentially being escorted by guardian angels.

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May 6, 2007

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The lady with the dog reminded me of the woman who gets shot through the wall in Mulholland Drive.

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May 6, 2007

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And More posted:

Lars von Trier's Kingdom is pretty good. However, it also ends on a cliffhanger, just like Twin Peaks did. American Gods is a lot more grounded than Hannibal was, but since it's made by the same guy, there are a lot of similar aesthetic choices.

Early Trier (up to Kingdom) has a Lynchy vibe, though the Most Lynchian Not-Lynch Director Award goes to Guy Maddin, who is also a genius. Roy Andersson is definitely worth checking out, as well as Maya Deren and Luis Bunuel. In some ways, John Waters is worth a look.

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May 6, 2007

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The Unlife Aquatic posted:

I think the best parts of her did get to go on. What's left in the Lodge is a husk of her.

That's what I took from the light behind her face.

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May 6, 2007

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Lynch's weird effects are my favorite aspect of his work because they always provoke this really satisfying, uncanny feeling. It'd be way less satisfying if they were "realistic" or big-budget glossy CGI, especially because it brings out his painter side.

Tirranek posted:

I didn't find the Lucy and Andy scenes that funny because they seem way too slow. If the Tibetan rock throwing scene had been paced like the bunnies I don't think it would have worked at all. Did they change a lot in Season 2 or something? (I only saw the beginning of it)

The Lucy and Andy scenes are really melancholy now, which I love.

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May 6, 2007

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Franchescanado posted:

What else have you read into it?

I always figured it's one of the strongest clues to "It's all a dream, and there are dreams within dreams", while also displaying how these dreams can still be dangerous to us spiritually/mentally/physically in the "real world".

I've always read it as a broader concept about the way we lie to ourselves about our real lives. You can say, well, I have [x] anxiety about my life, and then you distance yourself from it, ignore it, and perhaps engage in destructive behavior as a result. But it's still there, whether you like it or not, and eventually it'll get you because your life is more real than your perception of your life.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

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I like how the void is chaotic and hostile.

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May 6, 2007

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And More posted:

From the moment Coop left the lodge, he's had crazy good luck. Jade, the limousine driver and Dougie's wife are basically guardian angels. They don't really behave like normal people because their purpose is to protect Cooper, not to be rational. I don't think there is anything sinister going on.

He's essentially being watched over by guardian angels.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

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All the effects work for me so I guess I'm the target audience.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

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What is this dumb bullshit

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May 6, 2007

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Heavy Metal posted:

What are we gonna do for two weeks!

I recommend Naked Lunch to anybody who hasn't seen that. Plus both that and Twin Peaks got roasted/honored early on in The Simpsons.

Songs from the Second Floor and The Saddest Music in the World are required viewing for anyone who wants more Lynchy things.

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May 6, 2007

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moist turtleneck posted:

Did you know the actor is a Scientologist and is trying to scam money out of people to save his leg using an unapproved procedure in mexico

i am the leg and i sound like this

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Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

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The three and a half hour FWWM fan-edit that puts the missing pieces back in is really entertaining.

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May 6, 2007

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jfc

there's a bobby and mike in twin peaks

and a BOB and MIKE in the lodges

I literally just noticed this

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Tirranek posted:

That's how I saw FWWM for the first time and thought it was great, like a 3-episode special. It was put together really well, to the point I only knew what was from Missing Pieces because I'd read how most non-Laura stuff had been cut.

Agent Desmond being given time to establish himself was really good. David Bowie's scenes felt like they were going to make as much sense as they ever would, and it makes me really sad he wasn't able to reprise his role :smith: . Not to go on too long, but I thought having more 'Peaksy' stuff in FWWM really helped it, as we got to see everyone's plots being lined up for the pilot. Lastly, I heard a lot of people say it doesn't line up with the TV series, but I thought the film hit every point brought up in the show, especially the details of things like Laura and James's last meeting.

It has a nice, novelistic feel. You kind of drift from sequence to sequence in an unhurried way.

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May 6, 2007

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Barreft posted:

Like those tired of Walking Dead should watch Z Nation.

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TheMaestroso posted:

Not sure why you're posting in the Twin Peaks thread to tell Twin Peaks fans to watch another show because it's more palatable to a general audience. That's like telling someone who's really into Igor Stravinsky to stop listening to Le Sacre du Printemps and check out Die Zauberflöte.

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May 6, 2007

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Kulkasha posted:

So about the final episode of season 2, I'm wondering if Cooper fleeing his doppelganger was the wrong thing to do. Aren't you supposed to confront your shadow? Is that why Cooper became trapped for 25 years?

I really like how much of a sense of uncertainty you get with the supernatural stuff, it's not like a video game or a set puzzle, you kind of have to feel your way around it and hope you don't gently caress up.

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May 6, 2007

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Liquid Dinosaur posted:

Only asking here because it's the most likely to have knowledgeable answers. I saw MulhollNd Drive like 6 months ago and I couldn't get it. Like I get that either the first half is s dream or the second half is a dream or maybe both are half dreams, but while I still suppose I liked it, I still couldn't tell you what happened or what the blue box or the homeless woman (whose expression I just read was the actress making gently caress Me Eyes at David Lynch) really "mean," etc. Of Lynch's works I've seen Twin Peaks, FWWM , the past 4 eps of S3, Mulholland, and Eraserhead like 4 times because it's possibly my favorite movie.

So I'll watch the rest of his works, but are there any tips or recommended cliff notes guides of Mulholland Drive? I liked it and I know that you can never 100% understand one of his works, but I want to make sure I'll understand it fully as possible next time I watch it since it's a long movie and I'd like the next viewing to be my definitive one.
Or if some tips of things to focus on or think about when viewing would also be fine. Remember, I HAVE seen it I just don't know what he hell happened. Then I'll see Inland Empire I guess

The first half is a dream, it's literally framed by a shot of the camera going into a pillow and then Naomi Watts waking up. The last chunk is what happened right before the dream, and the interrelationship between the two pieces is just an examination of how Watts wishes things had gone. So, in real life Harring is a toxic bisexual who toys with Watts and crushes her dreams, and in the dream she's a submissive amnesiac who loves Watts entirely. In real life, Theroux is a shithead director who puts Watts in a bit role, in the dream, he's constantly harassed and literally forced against his will to not put Watts in the main role. In real life, the hitman kills Harring, in the dream, he's some rear end in a top hat who has an incredibly bad day. The point of the dream is Watts is trying to bury the things she's done in real life, but they won't stay buried, which leads to them finding the horrifying corpse. The blue box is whatever, repression or something, it doesn't really matter. The homeless lady is a representation of the other end of the dream spectrum - you have stardom, and you have that, which is explored in Lynch's other Hollywood movies.

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May 6, 2007

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Liquid Dinosaur posted:

But that corpse is her right? So is this the sort of thing where it's all a dying dream in the microseconds in which the bullet years apart her brain? So the corpse we see is her mind telling her she's dead and do accept the fact she just took her own life because her lover is marrying some man and now she's hallucinating about borrowers invading her home?

Also, no I've only seen it once but seeing it again is on my list of things to do this week, and Jesus loving Christ I'm no doctor but I am positive that is exactly what a dead body would look like after ~2 weeks. Like, the face is just starting to collapse :gonk:

I don't think the corpse is her, tbh, or either of them, I think it's more just underlining that something about her life has died and rotted (her dreams of success, probably). And the dream happens before she shoots herself - everything after she wakes up and her ex comes over to get her lamp is real, until she hallucinates her grandparents attacking her for her failure.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

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I think the point is definitely the latter, especially as a commentary on child abuse and familial rape.

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May 6, 2007

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Rageaholic Monkey posted:

A local theater is showing a new 4K restoration of Mulholland Drive this weekend. I just saw the movie like a week and a half ago. Should I go? I've never seen it in a theater and the version I saw was not the new restoration.

holy gently caress yes it owns on the big screen

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

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It's basically a remake of Wizard of Oz.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

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It's about a woman in trouble.

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May 6, 2007

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It's definitely helpful to think about it more in terms of recurring themes (adultery, poverty/inequality, violence against women, the fear of spiritual emptiness and failure), but I've always taken it to be a kind of cinematic therapy session.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

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Where's a good place to get nice high-quality screencaps from the third season?

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May 6, 2007

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Rageaholic Monkey posted:

Whatcha need? I've got a 4K monitor and I've been screencapping a bunch of stuff from Showtime Anytime on my PC.

I wouldn't mind anything beautiful or backgroundsy but I'm specifically looking for images of Cooper as an amnesiac.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

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That would be the Q2 fan edit and it's easy to find.

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May 6, 2007

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I'm really enjoying this, the slow pace is relaxing and makes all the payoffs feel extra satisfying.

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May 6, 2007

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Rageaholic Monkey posted:

Nope, completely different people.

It took me way too long to realize her boyfriend is the interview guy.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

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"He's lying", Seyfried staring at the sky, and Nadine rapturously nodding along to Doc Hayward's nutso livestream all blew me away.

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May 6, 2007

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oOpS

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May 6, 2007

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Yeah, I assume they'll assume Dougie's dead, so he didn't have to make the phone call. Dale being shepherded around by guardian angels is oddly compelling.

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May 6, 2007

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The main difference between Neil Breen and David Lynch is experience, budget, and the capability of expression.

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May 6, 2007

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I like how divided people are over Wally Brando.

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May 6, 2007

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My fat Texan friend's family thought "vegetables" implicitly suggested "with cheese on top", which usually meant boiled broccoli with kraft squares.

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