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Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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I'm depending on the thread to point out all the references I'm going to miss, having only seen the series once and several years ago. (I did see FWWM fairly recently)

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Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Twin Peaks with drone photography, LOL somehow.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Well kid? Was it drat good coffee?

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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2017 sensibilities

"R-E-S-P-E-C-T"
"You want to make out a little?"

Consent is a thing now


E: gently caress :stare:

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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God dammit I was wondering if that key hanging from her wrist would be .. yeah

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Fuckin' Lucy.

The sense of humor that Twin Peaks has always had, such as it was, is still here.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Oh my god, Ersatz Movie Windows. Never thought I'd see that again in tyool 2017.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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That double-profile 2-shot was pretty neat.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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God her backwards-talking is the most unnerving.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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I SOUND LIKE THIS

THBP THBP THBP THBP THBP THBP THBP THBP THBP THBP THBP THBP

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Welp

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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I dunno about you guys but I don't have it in me to watch two more hours of this tonight.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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TheOmegaWalrus posted:

The first time New York and Los Vegas were introduced on the show my mouth was agape. Not that "Twin Peaks" would be expanding, but the technical excellence of the shots was what floored me.

I don't know how they were captured, but those too-slow pans of the cityscape were marvelous and a feast for the eyes.

I was wondering if someone would bring that up. I don't think I've ever seen a shot of Manhattan looking like that in film, all the buildings lit up that weird almost too-uniform way, with that particular angle down on them. I know there's only so many different ways you can shoot the city since it's going to look the same on any given night you happen to rent a helicopter, but drat, it was a breathtaking sight.

Then the subtitle goes NEW YORK CITY :eng101: and I'm like "ppfffff seriously"

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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kaworu posted:

Just on a random note, this brings me back to a point I've been meaning to make about how different things are, well, ~25 years later. The way this revival is juxtaposing old Twin Peaks with this new material is just brilliant, because in a way it causes us to observe this world of Twin Peaks 2017 from an outsider's perspective - from Agent Cooper's perspective. We've been locked up in the Black Lodge with him in a way, and we're now emerging and catching glimpses here and there of just how different things are both in Twin Peaks and the outside world. How perceptions have keenly changed.

Take Gordon Cole, characterized by Lynch mostly through his deafness and over-the-top shouting delivery. It was fun and it worked perfectly in the original series. Now, Cole's got an upgraded hearing aid and he can actually hear what people are saying (cossacks and carsickness aside). In fact, he can even turn his hearing aid way up and whisper to people, and become extremely hypersensitive to sound, to the point where the scuffle of a shoe on pavement is "like a knife in [his] brain".

I think it's representative of how much more sensitive everyone has become to all sorts of things than they were 25 years ago. Back then, people still would let their kids play outside alone for hours, and kids were more independent - there weren't even cell-phones so parents could always get in touch with them or vice versa. Laura's abuse and subsequent downfall would have happened in an extremely different manner now than the way it occurred then. The shift of both technology and perception and overall public consciousness has been fairly extreme as a result of the digital age.

And now I'm reminded of the odd "problem" that Lucy has with cell-phones, and how she simply just *cannot* adjust to the fact that people can be mobile and talking on the telephone at the same time, since her entire world (as we saw it last) revolved around working with the clumsy limitations of the telephone. And her perception of that apparently is unable too adjust. Makes me wonder what Cooper's adjustment will be like, ultimately.

But this does seem to be something of a motif that shows up, especially in episode 4 I think. Or perhaps I'm imagining more things :(

One of the things I was most looking forward to in the revival was what Twin Peaks would look like with a 2017 world—cell phones, modern cars, modern hairstyles, modern music—because in a lot of ways all the Lynch I've seen is stuck in this sort of "80s" aesthetic, even the more recent movies (I haven't seen Mulholland Drive or Inland Empire yet, but all the others—including The Straight Story—all feel like they're from a bygone era somehow).

And so far the new TP feels pretty much as I expected it to, not "un-Lynch" at all. Somehow the aesthetic all fits nicely, even with the wider locations, the Manhattan skyline, the Nevada desert, the coffee in cardboard carriers. And yet there's something about the technology used in the setting that feels ... I don't know, artificially tied down somehow. Like for instance the camera rig in the glass box room. The kid has to keep getting up to change memory cards and stick them in an organizer. I'm like ... seriously? They don't have the video streaming to a massive data array? What kind of ridiculous setup is this? It's like something someone would come up with whose only experience with data storage is, like, tape drives in the 80s. And the same thing with the laptop that Bad Elvis Coop uses—in an era where even the most casual audience completely knows what Windows looks like inside and out, Twin Peaks has chosen to go with Ersatz Movie OS, something I haven't seen in like a decade.

That's got to be a conscious stylistic decision, right? An unsettling sort of way to take you out of time and place—like, this isn't really Manhattan, this isn't really Las Vegas (they could have used a non-fictional casino, I'm sure). It's a parallel universe where things just don't work quite the same as they do here.

At the same time, to your point about how things have changed culturally in the intervening 25 years—I think it's rather endearing how Lynch has gone to such unsubtle lengths to put his foot down on matters of modern social conscience. In the first episode alone we have "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" and "You want to make out a little?" "What do you think?" — just to hammer in the theme of consent being important in sex (especially as compared to all the poisonous, vicious takes on sex that pretty much all of Lynch's stuff has explored over the years). Even when dealing with something like prostitution, Jade is treated with the utmost respect, a professional on every level. And then, just as the capper, you get Lynch as Cole yelling straight at the camera to "fix your heart or die" when it comes to transphobia.

It's a weird balance between the unreality of time and place versus the on-the-nose treatment of the social issues of the day.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Rageaholic Monkey posted:

I just watched The Straight Story for the first time.

Remember when I watched Blue Velvet and said it wasn't as Lynchian as Lynch's other stuff? I'd like to take all that back if I could :haw:

(I could absolutely see some genuine Lynch moments in The Straight Story, but mostly it just made me appreciate the Lynchian qualities of Blue Velvet even more.)

The lady who hits the deer

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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A software developer I manage has Twin Peaks decals all over his laptop and frequently wears TP-themed shirts to go with his raver studs and ripped jeans.

He's from Mexico and his accent is so thick I can barely understand him but drat he's all in.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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I feel like that's going to turn out to be why there's so little incidental music. Music would just distract from the soundscape.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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PureRok posted:

I still think the original Twin Peaks is a comedy. I know I spent most episodes laughing my rear end off. Even the new season I spend a lot of time laughing. :shrug:

Maybe I'm just insane.

I wouldn't say that, but I will say your doppelganger is probably sane.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Kulkasha posted:

It's a Twin Peaks tradition!

That aside, why do television series shooting locations always default back to SC more often than not? The only real exceptions are other urban areas (NYC, Miami) but I can't imagine that shooting in say South Dakota or rural Washington would cost that much more.

Yeah, I mean we're talking about a show where the titular town is named after two super prominent mountains that we never see except on a sign, and where that same sign proclaims 50,000 residents in what otherwise appears is more likely about 2K at best (I know the story about the network fuckery "audiences won't care about what happens in a small town :rolleye: "

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Bucky wants to fuuuuck

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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He's never gonna get those reports done at this rate

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Diane.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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I swear this dude is like Dennis Hopper Jr

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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That laugh would not be out of place on that lady answering the phone in Office Space

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Mr. Jackpots has become an insurance fraud detecting savant

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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:stare:

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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His heritage is a toilet stall

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Is this song supposed to be another remix of the theme?

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Wait, what are people piecing together? When was that line referenced in this episode?

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Speaking of, how about that Watts scene of telling off the bookie goons?

I felt like butt-head going "uhhhhh... did I just score?"

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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You'll see it's all a show, keep 'em laughing as you go, just remember that the last laugh is on you...

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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I like how these forest locations actually look like the Olympic Peninsula

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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haha, Skype being discussed in a David Lynch show

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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WTF is with that display that rises out of the desk

This show's take on technology is so drat nutty

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Nice shot of that plane

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Laura Dern fuckin rules.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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:tviv:

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Whst is this, sweeps week?

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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ZeeBoi posted:

They dedicated this episode to Frost

Warren Frost.

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Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Hey it was playing Green Onions, that's hardly "nothing"

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