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a hole-y ghost: May 10, 2010

scott zoloft posted:

who owned the building in the beginning and what were they doing? was coop or something else expected to emerge there?

Bad Cooper or an associate of his owned the building (implied by the photo of him talking to someone wearing a big coat in the box room). I'm guessing that it was intended to manifest the female figure which did indeed appear inside the box, but (perhaps?) failed at totally bringing her into the world, as she doesn't turn up after killing Sam and Tracy, outside of the vomit scene. I don't think it was intended to trap Cooper, otherwise (I assume) Bad Cooper would have arranged some means for him to be killed upon appearing in the box.

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Egbert Souse: Nov 6, 2008

blainestereo posted:

Got to admit, Agent Cooper reading the "Dear Richard" letter made me a-lol.

I knew Lynch was a goon

# ? Sep 6, 2017 02:24

tap my mountain: Jan 1, 2009; I'm the quick and the deadly

The one thing that bugs me about s3 is how Judy's horns don't match up with the black symbol. It had me convinced that they weren't the same thing but the Jiao Dai explanation really makes it fit too well for it not to be.

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a hole-y ghost: May 10, 2010

# ? Sep 6, 2017 02:36

Mordja: Apr 26, 2014; Hell Gem

Neurosis posted:

cooper seemed to have elements of both good and evil cooper. his line delivery and generally fairly distant demeanour were like evil cooper, but he still seemed to care about others, and he seemed dismayed at seeing the corpse in new laura's house and distressingly confused at the end.

i agree on the tone change. episode 17 seemed way too cheesy and fluffy a way to tie things up, then the jarring change in 18 re-established the feelings of horror.

Yeah the feeling of dread throughout that entire episode was honestly discomfiting. While I can't pretend that the final episode left me happy and satisfied, it was definitely affecting in a way most media rarely accomplishes. I'll be thinking about it for a good long time.

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Egbert Souse: Nov 6, 2008

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a hole-y ghost: May 10, 2010

Egbert Souse posted:

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Vince MechMahon: Jan 1, 2008

Some interesting things about 18:

The woman who owned the house is the real life woman who owns that house.

One of the biggest changes in tone is that there's literally no music after that scene.

I feel like the transition there was into the "real" world, or at least world closer to reality than the one we had been shown before.

# ? Sep 6, 2017 03:11

King Vidiot: Feb 17, 2007; You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Vince MechMahon posted:

Some interesting things about 18:

The woman who owned the house is the real life woman who owns that house.

One of the biggest changes in tone is that there's literally no music after that scene.

I feel like the transition there was into the "real" world, or at least world closer to reality than the one we had been shown before.

Well it even goes down to how the scenes of Coop driving down the streets of Twin Peaks are blocked. Usually we get one establishing exterior shot of a new location and then we're inside where the action is. Here, we see both sides of the real road where the real house is located and shots of the surrounded hills and scenery. The drive past the Double R and to the "Palmer house" is totally unfamiliar, we're seeing parts of the town we've never seen before and it's just the shooting location of the show, stripped bare of artifice and pretense. I could be misremembering, but I seem to recall a lot more diagetic sound post-hotel scene. Like you can hear traffic and horns and real world noises, as if they were left on the soundtrack unfiltered.

# ? Sep 6, 2017 03:21

General Dog: Apr 26, 2008; Everybody's working for the weekend

Vince MechMahon posted:

Some interesting things about 18:

The woman who owned the house is the real life woman who owns that house.

One of the biggest changes in tone is that there's literally no music after that scene.

I feel like the transition there was into the "real" world, or at least world closer to reality than the one we had been shown before.

I know what you're saying about it looking more "real" (I think that Valero station is the first real-world business we've ever seen on the show), but when Laura screams and the lights burn out, it feels a lot like she's shattered some sort of illusion, like she's broken the world they're in.

Maybe they're in our world, but in the reality of Twin Peaks maybe our world is fictional.

# ? Sep 6, 2017 03:56

Dinosaurmageddon: Jul 7, 2007; by zen death robot; Hell Gem

*spoilers/discussion below?*

Episode 17 was the proper "ending" to the series. Cooper even says (to Diane, with Gordon Cole present), "See you at the curtain call," meaning "the show's nearly over, and the next time we meet it'll be to take our bows before the audience." It's a very meta, self-aware line to use.

Episode 18 was the epilogue, and it explains how the third Laura Palmer ("old Laura") also gets trapped in the Black Lodge, despite the best efforts of Agent Cooper to keep her safe. In this episode, Cooper meets with Diane as he's exiting the the Black Lodge through its red curtains. THIS is the curtain call he was referring to in the prior episode, however Gordon Cole is conspicuously absent from this meeting. By this point, the show was already over and done with. Goodness had prevailed, Dougie would be returned to his family, everything had fallen roughly into place according to a divine Lynchian will of sorts - everything except for the matter of Cooper's attempted intervention of Laura's death from the episode prior. From a room within the Black Lodge, the Arm asks Cooper, "Is it the story of the little girl who lived down the lane? Is it?" Everything beyond that point is Cooper being an unwitting agent, forced into tying up all the loose ends with the Laura-that-got-away so that Laura Palmer's original fate would be sealed.

Wild Bonus *extra credit* Theory: Episode 18 explains how :spooky:

A version of Laura was brought back through time to become her own mother. :spooky:

# ? Sep 6, 2017 03:59

General Dog: Apr 26, 2008; Everybody's working for the weekend

17 is the Frost ending, 18 is the Lynch ending

# ? Sep 6, 2017 04:02

a hole-y ghost: May 10, 2010

So... Audrey with Charlie had to be a tulpa, right? She kept freaking out and feeling like she wasn't herself, both things implied to have happened to the Dougie and Diane tulpas made by Bad Coop, and there was another version of her somewhere else, probably the real version in some etheric place like the purple box or wherever Naido-Diane was hanging around. She didn't say "What?" backwards, but it does seem that there are supernatural places where backwards speech isn't the norm (c.f. Mike telling Coop the "Fire walk with me" poem in the black room beyond the Great Northern in normal, forwards speech).

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Sekenr: Dec 12, 2013

so who won?

# ? Sep 6, 2017 12:31

scott zoloft: Dec 7, 2015; yeah same

Sekenr posted:

so who won?

the audience

# ? Sep 6, 2017 12:35

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Vince MechMahon posted:

Some interesting things about 18:

The woman who owned the house is the real life woman who owns that house.

One of the biggest changes in tone is that there's literally no music after that scene.

I feel like the transition there was into the "real" world, or at least world closer to reality than the one we had been shown before.

Well that explains the terrible acting

# ? Sep 6, 2017 12:45

The Dennis System: Aug 4, 2014; Nothing in Jurassic World is natural, we have always filled gaps in the genome with the DNA of other animals. And if the genetic code was pure, many of them would look quite different. But you didn't ask for reality, you asked for more teeth.

Vince MechMahon posted:

Some interesting things about 18:

The woman who owned the house is the real life woman who owns that house.

One of the biggest changes in tone is that there's literally no music after that scene.

I feel like the transition there was into the "real" world, or at least world closer to reality than the one we had been shown before.

That's pretty much this guy's theory:

https://ozba.wordpress.com/2017/08/31/twin-peaks-audrey-billy-and-living-inside-a-dream/

# ? Sep 6, 2017 12:55

Neurosis: Jun 10, 2003; Fallen Rib

The Dennis System posted:

That's pretty much this guy's theory:

https://ozba.wordpress.com/2017/08/31/twin-peaks-audrey-billy-and-living-inside-a-dream/

this seems reasonable. i also like that he distinguishes between the twin peaks reality and our reality - it explains why laura would be hearing echoes from that reality, and nicely explains audrey (though audrey isn't quite right either - no one in the 'real' world would play 'Audrey's Dance' and i presume in the real world she's not married to a weird small man; there could be three layers going on there, with some being audrey's hallucinations informed by the real world, flashes of the real, and twin peaks as her basic reality in which she physically exists, but that's getting a bit elaborate). it would also mean the characters could go back there and it would have some weight rather than just 'oh they're all just figments and it's what's real and miserably depressing here that matters'.

there are maybe some things that don't quite get explained with this. like why the inhabitants of the house are tied to black lodge spirits, if everything else becomes 'real'. also does judy have a threat to the real world, or is over-explaining only a threat to our dreams? and does this mean that dude's corpse in real-laura's house didn't have any garmonbozia on it or black lodge orb coming out of it?

# ? Sep 6, 2017 13:38

Neurosis: Jun 10, 2003; Fallen Rib

also i am reminded of reading m john harrison's viriconium books where our real world began to leak into the weird far future fantasy world more and more with the general theme being this is what really matters. not the same message but nonetheless...

# ? Sep 6, 2017 13:51

General Dog: Apr 26, 2008; Everybody's working for the weekend

Vince MechMahon posted:

Some interesting things about 18:

The woman who owned the house is the real life woman who owns that house.

One of the biggest changes in tone is that there's literally no music after that scene.

I feel like the transition there was into the "real" world, or at least world closer to reality than the one we had been shown before.

Coop and Dianne's new names should have been Kyle McLaughlin and Laura Dern, and they track down Gordon Cole and he's David Lynch, film director.

# ? Sep 6, 2017 13:55

scott zoloft: Dec 7, 2015; yeah same

General Dog posted:

and they track down Gordon Cole and he's David Lynch, film director.

and he's still yelling / deaf

# ? Sep 6, 2017 13:57

Why cookie Rocket: Dec 2, 2003; Lemme tell ya 'bout your blood bamboo kid.
It ain't Coca-Cola, it's rice.

Confession time: the only bit of fan service I wanted but didn't get was some kind of nod to the bookhouse boys. I really liked Truman's explanation in S1 that there's this informal group that knows poo poo is hosed up and push back as best they can, and this group has existed for a long time. It fits the themes of aging and loss that this group wouldn't be around, but I still missed it.

# ? Sep 6, 2017 17:51

Dr. Fishopolis: Aug 31, 2004; ROBOT

Why cookie Rocket posted:

Confession time: the only bit of fan service I wanted but didn't get was some kind of nod to the bookhouse boys. I really liked Truman's explanation in S1 that there's this informal group that knows poo poo is hosed up and push back as best they can, and this group has existed for a long time. It fits the themes of aging and loss that this group wouldn't be around, but I still missed it.

I dunno, Hawk, Andy, Bobby and Frank on the hunt for the Jackrabbit Palace was as Bookhouse as this show has ever gotten. More so due to the lack of Cooper, I think.

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scott zoloft: Dec 7, 2015; yeah same

Bobby made a great addition to the boys and I'm glad he's come such a long way from barking in a holding cell.

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Egbert Souse: Nov 6, 2008

General Dog posted:

Coop and Dianne's new names should have been Kyle McLaughlin and Laura Dern, and they track down Gordon Cole and he's David Lynch, film director.

Then Lynch spends 20 minutes showing them how to cook quinoa.

# ? Sep 6, 2017 18:18

Why cookie Rocket: Dec 2, 2003; Lemme tell ya 'bout your blood bamboo kid.
It ain't Coca-Cola, it's rice.

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

I dunno, Hawk, Andy, Bobby and Frank on the hunt for the Jackrabbit Palace was as Bookhouse as this show has ever gotten. More so due to the lack of Cooper, I think.

I don't disagree but the reason my sentiment falls into the "confession" category is that the basic bitch part of my brain wants them to say the phrase "bookhouse boys" and have the patches and all the shameful poo poo. That same part of my brain wanted Max to get the interceptor back in Fury Road. That part of my brain is always wrong.

# ? Sep 6, 2017 18:27

General Dog: Apr 26, 2008; Everybody's working for the weekend

Egbert Souse posted:

Then Lynch spends 20 minutes showing them how to cook quinoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIcvTluLb2w

# ? Sep 6, 2017 18:37

scott zoloft: Dec 7, 2015; yeah same

General Dog posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIcvTluLb2w

lmao

# ? Sep 6, 2017 19:43

Paladinus: Jan 11, 2014; heyHEYYYY!!!

The show was good. Is good.

# ? Sep 6, 2017 21:48

SplitSoul: Dec 31, 2000

General Dog posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIcvTluLb2w

lol

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vivisectvnv: Aug 5, 2003

man nurse posted:

Holy poo poo what a loving trash fire this season was. Just god drat.

Like, what a waste.

you are child

# ? Sep 13, 2017 17:08

The Dennis System: Aug 4, 2014; Nothing in Jurassic World is natural, we have always filled gaps in the genome with the DNA of other animals. And if the genetic code was pure, many of them would look quite different. But you didn't ask for reality, you asked for more teeth.

No explanation of what happened to Heather Graham.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 10:00

LordMune: Nov 21, 2006; Helim needed to be invisible.

General Dog posted:

Coop and Dianne's new names should have been Kyle McLaughlin and Laura Dern, and they track down Gordon Cole and he's David Lynch, film director.

I'm late to this party but it seems not unreasonable to read the final sequence as Richard/Dale being a stand-in for Lynch, Carrie/Laura a stand-in for well, Laura and the cast as a whole, and homeowner Alice/Mary representing the audience. Lynch returns triumphant to the TV audience, only to find there is no place for Twin Peaks anymore; perhaps there never was. The director wonders about the year as the cast, haunted by performances past, scream.

# ? Sep 24, 2017 12:22

Booty Pageant: Apr 20, 2012

i did some catching up and mainlined this over two days and i gotta say its some drat fine tv

an appropriate ending aptly telling you to gently caress off back to your own life

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