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Naked Bear posted:I completely agree with that! The good news is that the one really good thing Trump has done (unintentionally I bought my first gun after watching Trump give a nice soft kiss to the alt-right after Charlottesville!
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[quote="“Mr. Nice!”" post="“477052661”"] You know all of the anti-ban arguments were identical in Australia yet they haven’t had any shooting sprees remotely like before, right? There is no good reason for most people to have any type of weapon and I say this as a gun owner. A proper gun buyback and proper registration of hunting/farm weapons would stop the vast majority of the daily gun violence in America. This isn’t like we’re reinventing the wheel here. Plenty of places around the world have went from armed populace to not and have been almost entirely free of gun related massacres since. [/quote] How do you determine what the criteria would be for a proper gun buy-back would be, or describe a "farm gun?" Why would people who live in rural areas be more privileged to own a firearm than those in urban areas? Further, given that police response times to some predominantly minority urban areas are quite high (or that minority communities are also victims of police violence themselves), why should they be denied lawful forms of self defense while whiter, rural communities can retain that capability? I'm asking this in a good faith attempt to not engage in the kind of pedantry or semantics that end up derailing a lot of these conversations. FWIW, I had to jump through all kinds of hoops to legally purchase a firearm where I live (DC), including being fingerprinted and photographed at the main police station over two visits that required me to take time off of work (I'm a salaried employee), pay nearly $200 in fees between the one FFL in the district and the background check, and that process will repeat if I ever buy another gun here. While I'm generally pretty OK with this arrangement, I'm privileged enough that I can afford both the time and money to stay within the law.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Like if you legit have livestock, it makes sense to own a shotgun or two and some hunting rifles. Frankly, I'll agree with you that bump stocks are loving dumb and don't serve a legitimate purpose. I'm really quite okay with them going away. I also think that  chat about THE GUBMINT and mass insurrection is basically Brackenchat.I realize that we're veering close to that semantics chat that I said I wanted to avoid, but "assault rifles" are already tightly regulated by, well, the same legislation that bump stocks attempt to circumvent. If we're talking about a magazine-fed semi-automatic rifle, then there's no real difference between an AR-15 or a Mini-14 (commonly regarded as a ranch gun) beyond features that don't affect how the weapon functions (ie pistol grip, flash hider, etc.) I'm sure you know that as a gun owner and a vet, and apologies if I'm somehow coming across as condescending because that is not my intent. If I could, I'd make every gun in the world disappear in a flash. Until I rub the right lamp and get that wish, I'll still believe in an individual right to firearms ownership. I don't hold that belief because of some slavish devotion to 2A or rejection of regulations en masse, but from personal experience in talking with survivors of Hurricane Katrina, and being in some seriously hosed up places and meeting people who had been victimized before.
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According to this WaPo article the cop giving the commands and the one who eventually fired were different. Not that it excuses either of their conduct.
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So as not to poo poo up the CE thread, I’m gonna leave this here. It looks like the Florida shooter trained with a white supremacist group. https://www.thedailybeast.com/nikolas-cruz-trained-with-florida-white-supremacist-group-leader-says
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I want a blue wave in 2018. I want Democrats to win big and act as a huge loving wall for Trump. I want them to help roll back the damage done on/to environmental regulations, the social safety net, immigrants, etc- all things that have a demonstrable effect on huge swathes of the country. I fear that all of that could be jeopardized if they come out too hard and too fast on federal-level gun legislation. I think any candidate who comes out in favor of another AWB, or who makes that a plank in their platform, is going to be DOA outside of a safe liberal enclave.
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Bored As gently caress posted:Which is why Democrats need to stop harping on guns, get moderates and Independents on board and take back the House and Senate, and eventually the presidency, and pass various laws like the following: I like all of this except for “prosecute NICS failures,” if only because of mistaken identity. My uncle got on the no-fly list because of that and had to hire a lawyer to clear it up; several years later, I found out I had a warrant out for my arrest because some clerk at the county courthouse confused my last name with someone else’s. I had to pay for a lawyer out of pocket to clear that up. I wouldn’t want to potentially face another charge because someone fat-fingered inputting my name into the database and confused me with some wife beater. Add “throw straw purchasers in the same cell with the shooter” and I’m really into it.
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DoktorLoken posted:Yeah, I'll never be an NRA member. I wish there was a more viable non-partisan/left leaning equivalent to the NRA that I could become a member of. I think that if people want the right to bear arms to remain longer than a generation, they’d wise up and ditch the NRA, or orchestrate a coup to get LaPierre and the other crazies out as soon as possible. It’s pretty clear that they’re going to be on the losing side in the long term, and they may end up taking the whole 2A with them when they finally collapse.
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