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Jack2142 posted:Gonna give this another ~24 Hours~ to break the tie. Deal- We know enough streetsmarts to understand the value of being the knife...
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Make the best deal. A terrific deal. The best deal.
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Update 2: Teron City Blues Where we sell out Feng, Take Cassius to Antidas and explore Teron and find mystical wonderments!!! ===========================================  So lets go explore Teron for a little, first here is a map you can use this to fast travel around locations although I don't really know why considering the locations in this game, even the hub cities really aren't that large.  Let's run by the Inn, Cassius is in there along with the prospector with his magic amulet, there is also a merchant outside with his Ordu bodyguard. For the record the Ordu in this game are essentially the Huns, however they have been trapped to the North of the Imperial territories by a nearly impassable mountain range, however a handful trickle over the pass in trader caravans to find work throughout the shattered Empire.  Past the inn is a town graveyard, it looks like the undertaker is there let's see what he has to say  Well, I guess Business? I am a loremaster maybe this guy can tell us something interesting about who is buried here. quote:
Okay that was enlightening at least we can afford a grave if we need one, let's head north along the wall.  Oh look, mushrooms! In this game based off your perception and alchemy skill you can find reagents that you can make into things. Here we found some blood mushrooms, which can be used to make a berserker potion. It won't benefit us much because even beserk we still suck at fighting. However there are some good things we can craft using alchemy including gunpowder bombs which should help us considerably if we do get in a fight.  Continuing on there is also a ruined tower we can investigate, after all its our job to delve into ruins even if they are like 50 feet away from our home.  This looks bad, but in these people are actually solidly Roman middle class, the Shantytown for the actual poor is outside the walls!  Rats! Perfect a starter dungeon so we can get some xp! (which triggers this amusing exchange) You don't gain xp from killing things in this game, although you do get xp from combat encounters. So in theory if you pick a fight and win the xp is pre-set determined by encounter not how many chumps you slaughter. quote:
 Let's go exploring... well there is a grate which is probably full of poo poo.  Hmm a perception check triggers on the wall, it looks like we can take it apart and find... a motor pump? This triggers a crafting and intelligence check which we easily pass and we fix it up.  Explore the drain that was full of goop!  Ohh we got a artifact, once we get up to the surface we can get a better look at it.  Goddamnit, loving squatters. While the option of picking a fight would be hilarious we will get the poo poo kicked out of us even though we have a knife since its 4v1 Luckily with streetwise we can bluff our way out. quote:
 So sweet, we got some cool loot a sapphire worth 150 imperials... (we can sell it for around 1/4th that) and a Jellyfish artifact. It obviously has some use, but who knows if we will actually be able to find out what its used for. Spoiler: its something cool. Now lets head to the Darotan Compound Feng told us to take the map to Antidas and we might as well get that done.  Wait... there is a preacher trying to raise a rabble! TIME FOR BILL NYE TO SAVE THE DAY FROM RELIGIOUS NUTTERS! This is actually an interesting scene though kind of long. http://imgur.com/a/Ji0PE the conversation is here for those interested in the whole thing and gives some good exposition on House Crassus. You also get an option to throw a rock at him mid speech. TLDR: quote:
Essentially this conversation highlights, that since the fall of the Empire people including entire great houses are kind of going bat poo poo insane as things get worse. House Crassus as mentioned before used to be filled with powerful mages and loremasters. Now its last member is a gibbering prophet of long dead gods... and he is raising up the rabble in an attempt to start a holy revolution.  While the game has a limited engine, it does do a good job of conveying locations and just the general decay of the world from its golden age, including snarky comments about the seamless blend of architecture. Also that guys standing there is a noble, just like in 40K PAULDRONS! are an important fashion statement in the Post-Imperial period.  He asks us to come look at his artifacts, which leads to this interaction. Essentially we found a power glove and an ancient Orrey, if only we could get our hands on those items. Unfortunately this guy Thessalos is one of those assholes who buys priceless paintings and then puts them on his walls instead of a museum. He doesn't even care what they do he just likes the crap because its "old" and just wants to show off to us and make us jealous.  Well lets look next door, I know there is this noble lady with more money than sense... I really need to raise some money to buy that prospectors amulet which should be useful if we need to go exploring. quote:
JFC this lady is dumb, she just gave me 6!!! sapphires and a pair of gold rings. This should be more than enough to be able to buy the amulet and have change left over. Now finally lets go to the compound and get this map sold.  Okay, well I don't think sneaking in would be a good idea, lets go talk to the guard captain.  Okay, yeah maybe stabbing Cassius wouldn't be a good idea, this guy doesn't look like he fucks around. quote:
Okay well that wasn't helpful, lets I guess collect Cassius and maybe Dellar will let us in that is doing something useful right?  Okay, just got back to the inn, sold the gems and rings to a merchant up front and now we have about $500 imperials baby!  Yeah, hand us the magic amulet...  Wait... is that a gas mask with the filters missing? ... damnit.  quote:
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: Business it is then, 5 coins for a group grave and only 10 coins for those who like the finer things in life they can get a solo spot!
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: We have turned away from the LORD! AND HAVE TURNED TO SIN! The old world fell due to decadence, and we need to return to the gods! First Acolyte Meru has spoken to them and he calls all the faithful to Ganezer to begin the restoration! Antidas struggle against Gaelius is nothing compared to the redemption of the world.
: My name is Camilla, I have never heard of a lady Athnea, isn't that just Athena misspelled?
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C If I'm remembering that fight correctly Bill Nye's build is nowhere near where it needs to be to wreck those bandits. I think I'm going to revisit this game. I've never played it the whole way through, always starting new playthroughs since the early game and difference between starting situations is so interesting. I'd really recommend this to anyone who can tolerate the graphics. The other game with this engine, Dungeon Rats, I don't care for as much. It has none of the strengths that this game has but all of its weaknesses. It's combat difficulty is much more reasonable but it has way too much combat and not enough intrigue.
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Cathode Raymond posted:C I actually thought we might, we can critical kill Esbenus, but couldn't pass the intimidation checks and would get murdered. Also I agree this game does a good job of setting up the intro, Teron is pretty well polished and while still the tutorial area each of the start's has a much different feel.
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Cathode Raymond posted:The other game with this engine, Dungeon Rats, I don't care for as much. It has none of the strengths that this game has but all of its weaknesses. It's combat difficulty is much more reasonable but it has way too much combat and not enough intrigue. That's pretty much the entire point of that game, isn't it? It exists purely for people that liked AoD's combat and don't want anything else getting in the way.
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Genocyber posted:That's pretty much the entire point of that game, isn't it? It exists purely for people that liked AoD's combat and don't want anything else getting in the way. jfc, who in their right mind asked for that?
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poo poo, at a glance I'm hugely tempted to go grab this game and try it out myself. Anything to be aware of before I make that decision?
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Jack2142 posted:I actually thought we might, we can critical kill Esbenus, but couldn't pass the intimidation checks and would get murdered. VVVVVVV: *Mechanical spoilers* This might actually become a broader issue as this LP progresses. From what I remember from playing this years ago you are punished very harshly if you try to later move back into combat and likewise for the persuasion skills. I can't remember the system providing much in lee-way at all when it comes to varying your decisions outside of the Violence Vs. Persuasion/Trickery paradigm even if you do have some choices if you stick the course. It's not very Obsidian in its approach. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 08:19 on May 28, 2017 |
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MiddleOne posted:VVVVVVV: *Mechanical spoilers* *Mechanical Spoilers* No thats one of the flaws of this game, there are many options and unless you are doing a hybrid build (my personal preference) you really are railroaded in certain instances at times. Luckily because we will have alot of specialist skills in civic's and skill point bonuses from intelligence the game generally will give us multiple non-violent paths we can utilize to keep things fresh, and we should still have a couple choices for participation votes throughout the game. Likewise once we get out of Teron the game opens up a bit in Act II & III where we can choose where to explore etc. and shift between factions, plus we will have to make some choices on what ancient artifacts we can use or power up as there is a cap. Also as a word of advice for people, combat in this game is hard yet not impossible and I won't give us an option to pick a fight that Bill Nye has no chance of winning, without me doing some incredible combat cheesing (which isn't fun) or me just using console commands, because the combat in this game has alot of RNG bullshit.
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PurpleXVI posted:poo poo, at a glance I'm hugely tempted to go grab this game and try it out myself. Anything to be aware of before I make that decision? This game in a nutshell: Pros ++ Interesting and novel setting, world building ++ Interesting and novel character creation and skill system + Surprisingly varied early game, and one of the more engaging "tutorial cities" in any game + Good and not overly-long dialogue + Competent art design + Competent crafting system + Variety of viable combat builds Cons - Difficult and RNG dependent combat system necessitates save scumming some fights, even with an optimized combat build (to the game's credit, there are a number of different and viable ways to optimize a combat build. No way to guarantee you will survive a given fight, though) - Skill checks can be bullshit at times, and trying to pass some skillchecks are completely impractical (may have been changed since 2015) -- Extremely dated graphics. The graphics would have been good c. 2003/2004 EDIT: I personally would recommend it to just about anyone at the 7.99 or whatever sale price it was just on sale for, I think I payed about $20 for it during its early access and I consider it one of my better video game purchases. Cathode Raymond fucked around with this message at 16:30 on May 28, 2017 |
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The graphics aren't really that much worse than Wasteland 2. I saw a couple of screenshots of it from like 3 years ago and it looked way loving worse. Are people still imagining it looks like the earlier builds? Compare and contrast.   
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Cathode Raymond posted:Cons Well, I don't care about the graphics, but... Is the combat more RNG-based than, say, the Infinity Engine games? If it requires more save-scumming than Baldur's Gate due to save-or-die effects, it may be just too far gone for me.  And with regards to the skill checks, is that to say that for some skill checks require extremely high values to pass, for the point of the game which they're at? Or is it something else?
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PurpleXVI posted:Well, I don't care about the graphics, but... There are not really any save-or-die effects, and there is probably less save-scumming overall than Infinity Engine games just because there is less combat and the combat tends to be more decisive. Combat is rarely mandatory and usually takes the form of you vs a tough handful of enemies and is often decided in a few turns. However combat often comes down to whether you roll a crucial dodge or land an especially important knockdown hammer strike, and that's where the RNG really shows. The skill checks are generally ok but there are some skill checks that are completely unworkable. To give one example that comes to mind, solving a certain situation early on requires either a very high impersonate check, a series of much more reasonable but much more varied skill checks and a single difficult combat, or ~3 difficult combat encounters in a row. In that example the impersonate check is basically impossible, the series of skill checks probably requires some foreknowledge, and the full-combat option requires a combat-heavy build and probably some save scumming. It's not hugely dickish and not indicative of all sequences but those types of situations do show up from time to time and can be frustrating.
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Cathode Raymond posted:There are not really any save-or-die effects, and there is probably less save-scumming overall than Infinity Engine games just because there is less combat and the combat tends to be more decisive. Combat is rarely mandatory and usually takes the form of you vs a tough handful of enemies and is often decided in a few turns. However combat often comes down to whether you roll a crucial dodge or land an especially important knockdown hammer strike, and that's where the RNG really shows. Personally I don't think any skill checks are unworkable, there are some very difficult ones in this game and if I remember the check your talking about. I think you are talking about the monastery? I agree its bullshit, you can impersonate an Imperial Guard (The check is actually really easy if you are one), Throw the leader off the cliff and scare a couple away. Finally join them in the attack and holyshit it is hard... run across a bridge while archers shoot you, get up the wall while archers shoot you, its miserable. Luckily as a loremaster we can bypass all of that and get the rewards at the end of the quest through a secret back door. PurpleXVI posted:Are there any outright trap options or useless skills? Or is everything roughly equally handy? There are trap skills depending on playthrough, a big one is splitting your weapon points. If your going to fight alot pump all your combat skills into one offensive weapon and one defensive weapon. I.e Spear/Axe or Dodge/Block splitting your weapon skills is a bad idea. In regards to civil skills it really depends on your playthrough, all the dialogue skills have a good number of checks, and outside of the aforementioned gating checks. 3 or 4 points in a skill is usually enough to get by, the biggest trap I could say is trying to spread yourself too thin though. In this game you can't be "good" at everything. Likewise unless you plan on sneaking alot or stealing... don't put skill points into that it would be a waste. On our loremaster lockpick and traps can be useful as some ruins are indeed booby trapped and locked. Fundamentally the game dev did not like the idea that in say Skyrim, your warrior with minimal magic ability could end up the archmage of the College of Winterhold, while also simultaneously running the Dark Brotherhood and so on and so forth. The best way I would put the game is you need to set aside the mindset that you need to have 100% completion on everything or even just an "optimal" resolution to a quest. There are simply some things you can't do and almost every event does have multiple solutions, just sometimes they are pretty... obtuse? for lack of a better word, this is pretty much the closest thing I can think of to a grognard crpg possible before delving into roguelikes. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 21:47 on May 28, 2017 |
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There's a free demo of this up on steam, afaik supposed to basically have the whole tutorial area so just give that a try first if unsure. Couldn't get into it myself, it's pretty much a choose your own adventure book with the staple bs instadeaths for going left instead of right or not having the right build. And beating it seems to be a case of trial and error, a common strategy is just hoarding your skill points and only increasing skills when you run into a check you can't beat. The story and setting do look interesting enough so I'll be following this. Avalerion fucked around with this message at 21:39 on May 28, 2017 |
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This game's setting and gameplay seemed interesting. I'm glad someone else is min-maxing this poo poo for my enjoyment  I'm particularly happy to read about all these little quirks that people experienced with the game can elaborate on, like the trap skill question and such.
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Sorry about this guys for some reason the game kept crashing every time I tried to launch it, I have managed to get it to work after uninstalling some video drivers that seemed to be causing the issues, then I got distracted by Steel Division. My goal is to get the next update out tomorrow, I have most of the Screenshots just need to get it all assembled, things are going to really start picking up from this point on.
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Part III: Let's Make a Deal! Alright lets leave Teron and go visit the bandit encampment... oh wait it looks like there is a commotion at the gate  quote:
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:What why won't you let us in were refugees raiders sacked our village
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Sounds like Esbenus and his merry band of muderous thugs found this game's version of "The Glow" form Fallout 1? I really hope we have a chance to Vote 1: A for maximum funds. Vote 2: Can we stall the vote until we got a better first real impression of house Aurelian?
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What's most likely to leave Esbenus breathing by the end? He sounds like a solid guy for a kidnapper and thug.
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How important are your money reserves in this game? I'm all for embezzling the hell out of some nobles, but our Word of Honor might be more valuable if the game has limited important things to spend it on. 2: C. Let's take a snuggly position in the background so we don't wind up pissing powerful people off. More.
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Thanks for LPing this game, I didn't know about it. I bought it and am enjoying a combat play through. Another option for dealing with Rhaskos comes from your Body Count stat; don't have to pay anything if you have killed enough people.
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:What's most likely to leave Esbenus breathing by the end? He sounds like a solid guy for a kidnapper and thug. Well I will spoil this because it isn't a huge issue... Esbenus can survive and we will run into him in an act III location assuming we don't directly kill him ourselves, or send Dellar and his men to raid the bandit camp. He shows up at a different set of ancient ruins we can explore. MiddleOne posted:Are we getting more of the joke gamover screens? Yes OutofSight posted:Sounds like Esbenus and his merry band of muderous thugs found this game's version of "The Glow" form Fallout 1? I guess I can explain a bit about House Aurelian, they are the most powerful faction left after the apocalypse. Their leader Gaelius is a pretty competent guy, I would say he would be closest to say an Octavian type not particularly nice, but knows what needs to be done to win and willing to admit he needs others to complete his goal of winning the civil wars becoming Emperor. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Jun 8, 2017 |
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I vote for getting Esbenus and co to attack the camp.
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As far as I can tell the votes look split between taking a skim of ransom money and paying Esbenus to attack the outpost I will give another 24 hours for people to vote,
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