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rudatron posted:There's a difference between worshippimg amerikkka, and just recognizing that China isn't going to save you, or the world, or China, or anyone else who isn't a ccp member/chinese business leader I was arguing that 50 years out from now it is possible. BRICS countries are going to be a very large part of the economy, and are already forming extensive rival governance institutions. I'm not really that interested in how posters here think that is ridiculous as many professional China scholars believe it is in the realm of possibility. Some of that is probably fueled by Trump hysteria and resent towards USGAY but it's not that outlandish to suggest rival China led institutions will become powerful. It's important to note that they're still developing and may be a less transactional partner in the future, while the US seems to be regressing into a shittier worse country and ally by the day. gucci bane has issued a correction as of 03:22 on May 29, 2017 |
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Commerz posted:US GAY So what?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Maggotmaster was the Bolivian (Peruvian?) kid who got perma'd for posting a thread about assassinating Obama. chilean
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the only good permabanned lf guy was the person who's now known as lowenaffchen, everyone else sucked
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I don't know if the individual guys were good but dumb threads where communist anime gimmicks argue about abstract political topics is funnier to me than 1000 page threads of serious people earnestly posting their outrage at twitter liberals
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I still remember the Anime is Reality thread, and I've never been able to find it since.
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Commerz posted:I was arguing that 50 years out from now it is possible. BRICS countries are going to be a very large part of the economy, and are already forming extensive rival governance institutions. I'm not really that interested in how posters here think that is ridiculous as many professional China scholars believe it is in the realm of possibility. Some of that is probably fueled by Trump hysteria and resent towards USGAY but it's not that outlandish to suggest rival China led institutions will become powerful. It's important to note that they're still developing and may be a less transactional partner in the future, while the US seems to be regressing into a shittier worse country and ally by the day. See the South China Sea stuff for just how much respect China has for anyone else (none).
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China is surrounded by US allies and heaps of bases so claiming a few islands isn't that bad. It may be breaking UNCLOS but guess what, USA didn't sign that agreement because they also do whatever they want. If you live under the assumption that you can trust USA to be a reliable state that follows the rules based liberal order then I can understand you position. however China probably does not share your opinion on this and in my eyes they are justified for fearing or at least being skeptical of the US. in terms of political change you should probably have a think about how long 50 years really is before you make sweeping claims about what is possible. remember that the US walked away from the TTP however China is still working on RCEP. they aren't really that comparable as agreements but in terms of commitment to establishing regional Asian orders China is making headway. I'm not sure if China will become a more reciprocal partner over time but it's possible and would be a smart move.
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Commerz posted:The Chinese system is plagued by huge SOEs, misguided intervention, crashes due to one sided reporting on OBOR, ect but it is way more egalitarian than the US market. Both systems are prone to collapse. Americans have nothing to be arrogant about. ah many of those huge SOEs are just not for profit pass through vehicles for infrastructure (energy, transportation) or are used to to develop raw material processing overseas to supply cheap commodities to domestic companies. maybe 13% are a "problem" because of "debt" * debt to itself and those debts are honored over a long rear end period of time because that's how national finance works for example, the US is still carrying debt from WW2 as long as china retains a semi floating peg and capital controls on inflow and outflow it will be fine
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I'm not sold on Central Bank versus Party control. Technocrats at the ECB, for example, seem to align with the concerns of finance capital while leaving ordinary people out to dry. e: I'm not saying the CPC gives a poo poo either, just that democratic control is a preferable thing.
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Typo posted:you know where chinese insiders/rich people invest in? the cancer has spread to toronto as well.
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here's a bubble for ya, fuelled courtesy mainlanders trying to get their money out. i hope xi cuts their heads off but half of them are probably party members lol https://mobile.twitter.com/InvestTranscend/status/867803024483332096
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so whens our economy going to pull a hot wheel ramp manuever it is an accelerationism joke
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tekz posted:the cancer has spread to toronto as well.
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Rip Alberta
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Commerz posted:I don't know if the individual guys were good but dumb threads where communist anime gimmicks argue about abstract political topics That world still exists it's just on Twitter nowadays
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:why maggotmaster ofc it was goatstein
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rudatron posted:Rip Alberta it's genuinely amusing what a pack of jackals have been running this province for the past 50-odd years the provincial NDP's gonna get shitcanned next election because they got handed a no-win fiscal situation spawned by a nearly unbroken line of conservative profligacy and everyone's got their head so far up their rear end that they think it's somehow the NDP's policies driving away investment instead of oil now being permanently in the toilet
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tekz posted:the cancer has spread to toronto as well. I live in t/o atm so yes, I would know
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tekz posted:I'm not sold on Central Bank versus Party control. Technocrats at the ECB, for example, seem to align with the concerns of finance capital while leaving ordinary people out to dry. depending what you mean by "democratic control", is the fed under democratic control because he/she are appointed by and can be removed by elected officials?
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Vermain posted:we're on a god drat windswept, sunsoaked prairie and the only thing people can think of to do to generate money is to dig poo poo out of the ground at enormous cost, it's insane stupid stpid stupid when u can always maek money selling farting on opeoples faces
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:it was goatstein
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lmao the brics are a hot mess
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The brics were always actually just a meme, except for China (I wonder why...). Convergence is a lie but it sure does make for good middle brow airport reading in the Economist I guess.
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Commerz posted:I don't know if the individual guys were good but dumb threads where communist anime gimmicks argue about abstract political topics is funnier to me than 1000 page threads of serious people earnestly posting their outrage at twitter liberals
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LF owned. I still have Filipino anti-American mtwist propaganda on my HDD somewhere.
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LF was fun because everyone in there rightly knew that China was America Painted Red.
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Commerz posted:I was arguing that 50 years out from now it is possible. BRICS countries are going to be a very large part of the economy, and are already forming extensive rival governance institutions. since then: - Brazil's GDP was shown to be 8% higher than it really should have been because it was all corrupt bribes and kickbacks - Russia has paralyzed its economy with belligerent foreign policy that has led to sanctions by most of its trading partners, which in turn has led to mass misery and lowering QoL in the country, which in turn has stifled innovation that spurs greater growth (seriously, Russia is hosed and will be until there is a massive change at the top) - India has done okay when its government institutions have actually done their jobs and not implicitly tried to re-introduce the caste system in rural areas, but this happens often and has demonstratively damaged economic growth - China has drifted away from opening up access to private enterprise in favor of large-scale spending on largely obsolete technologies in an attempt to build businesses just by spending a lot of money on business things, which has worked exactly zero times in the great communist experiment. basically none of the BRIC countries have lived up to their promise and you only made money on them if you got while the getting was good. the big mistake people continuously make with forecasts like this is presuming that bad governments can't, in fact, be that bad. everyone knew Putin was a problem in 2005, but they always figured he couldn't be that bad, the free people of Russia would demand better lives. everyone knew corruption was a thing in Brazil, but nobody imagined it could be so huge as 8 cents of every dollar transacted in the country. perhaps the biggest thing that should horrify you is that in this world we live in, right now, amerikkka has one of the better governments out there. not the best and not 'good' by any stretch of the imagination, but people are actively failing to imagine how bad governments can be when the USA exists. think about that. also, "50 years from now" is a worthless preface because one of the world's leading robotics CEOs is predicting the loving Singularity in 30. make up your own mind on whether or not you believe him, the point is if you start out with "50 years from now", you're actually saying "if the world were completely unrecognizable". yeah, sure, in 50 years we might all be getting around with warhammer 40k assault marine jump packs for all we know. the world is loving crazy out there. it doesn't make what you're saying novel, new, or profound. Coolguye has issued a correction as of 20:13 on May 30, 2017 |
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Coolguye posted:also, "50 years from now" is a worthless preface because one of the world's leading robotics CEOs is predicting the loving Singularity in 30. lol
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LF was really good but CSPAM is the new political shitposting paradigm. the realignment towards liberalism as the defacto ideology of shitposting illustrates the leadership team had it out for the anti-imperalist LF membership and wanted a much more establishment friendly shitposting environment
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techno-utopians really are dumber than lieberals aren't they?
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KaptainKrunk posted:techno-utopians really are dumber than lieberals aren't they? techno utopia at least has a vision for the future
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i prefer triphop-utiopia myself
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mormonpartyboat posted:i prefer triphop-utiopia myself gabber utopia
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by shubelmorgan
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gabba gool utopia
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mormonpartyboat posted:gabba the immortal machines who maintain our perfect society do so with only one goal in mind, to allow humanity to fugghettaboutit
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