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Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
So theres some star and we're seeing the star flicker periodically which means something big is in orbit around it.

its aliens.

Proof: Its called "Tabby's Star" which is absolutely the right name for a star with aliens imo.

https://phys.org/news/2017-01-explanation-alien-megastructure.html

Whatever it is, its gotta be SOMETHING. If its a big dust thing in orbit thats still really cool.

But yeah, its aliens. And we're gonna call them Tabbys like the cats. And they are gonna be all ":| we're nothing like cats wtf" when we meet them

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
A star eating a planet or planets is a cool alternative to aliens imo

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

if this somehow turns out to be equipment error i am going to cry and cry

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

A friend of mine was high and had this terrifying thought: what if Trump is president when we make first contact?

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

I don't mean to veer this too far towards trump though baloogan, I will speculate excitedly about any aspect of aliens with you any time

http://www.xenology.info/Xeno.htm

quote:

Chapter 21. Extraterrestrial Governments .....

21.1 Dimensions of Extraterrestrial Government .....

21.1.1 Governance Scales .....

21.2 Alien Political Organizations: Xenopolitical Factors

21.2.1 Sentience .....

21.2.2 Dispersion .....

21.2.3 Size .....

21.2.4 Heritage .....

21.2.5 Xenopolitics: Tentative Conclusions .....

21.3 Extraterrestrial Organizational Cybernetics .....

21.3.1 System Complexity .....

21.3.2 System Structure .....

21.3.3 System Stability .....

21.4 Strategic Galactography .....

21.4.1 The Economic Viability of Interstellar Cargo Transport .....

21.4.2 Galactic Trade Routes .....

21.4.3 Interstellar War .....

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
they're probably already dead

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

platzapS posted:

I don't mean to veer this too far towards trump though baloogan, I will speculate excitedly about any aspect of aliens with you any time

http://www.xenology.info/Xeno.htm

I'd like to start with the basics: will our air burn out your insides and do you fear water, the universal solvent

and i must meme
Jan 15, 2017


i want to believe

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007


Now you've got me playing on my floor, fantasizing about how to communicate if I'm lucky enough to be abducted.

e: I should probably vaccuum

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Detecting a Dyson swarm would be the coolest way short of contact itself to discover alien life.

I mean it would prove that not only is there intelligent life out there, but it can advance to the point of engineering megastructures.

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.
as a socially-liberal fiscally-conservative american i only care if we can exploit these aliens for their natural resources

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Jan 29, 2006
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mister magpie posted:

as a socially-liberal fiscally-conservative american i only care if we can exploit these aliens for their natural resources

is it too soon to begin talking about free trade with tabby's star? the aei argues,

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

Hodgepodge posted:

is it too soon to begin talking about free trade with tabby's star? the aei argues,

President Clinton signs the Tabby's Star Free Trade Agreement

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

Darkman Fanpage posted:

they're probably already dead

Even proof that they existed will save us from a shitload of things we're not able to talk about as problems currently.

Hodgepodge
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Relevant Tangent posted:

Even proof that they existed will save us from a shitload of things we're not able to talk about as problems currently.

If they built a Dyson swarm, they survived long enough to be able to create artificial planets to harvest energy from their star, and would be capable of at least some form of colonization. It would be pretty likely that they're still around.

A civilization like that existing would be incredibly inspirational. It's hard to be a pessimist in a universe where one exists.

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


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platzapS posted:

if this somehow turns out to be equipment error i am going to cry and cry

iirc the dip in magnitude has been observed from several different locations, which means it can't be equipment failure

edit: yeah this 2017 dip is being observed from two different sites

quote:

On 20 May 2017, Boyajian and her colleagues reported, via The Astronomer's Telegram, an ongoing dimming event, possibly beginning on 14 May 2017, of KIC 8462852, that was detected by the Las Cumbres Observatory's global operations located in Maui (LCO-Maui), and verified by the Fairborn Observatory (part of the N2K Consortium) in Southern Arizona.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIC_8462852#May_2017_dimming_event

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rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
wait till the spectras come in

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
like it could be anything but i mean it's not inconceivable that a planet collides with another planet and creates a massive dust cloud, that slowly disperse over time or some poo poo

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

Hodgepodge posted:

If they built a Dyson swarm, they survived long enough to be able to create artificial planets to harvest energy from their star, and would be capable of at least some form of colonization. It would be pretty likely that they're still around.

A civilization like that existing would be incredibly inspirational. It's hard to be a pessimist in a universe where one exists.

I'll give it a shot

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

mister magpie posted:

I'll give it a shot

yep, still a pessimist

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

Even if it ends up being !aliens (some weird planetary thing or something) it absolutely should serve as a reminder to us that we have a duty to build a mega-structure of our own, not just so we can be incredibly bad rear end but so that if we eventually go extinct other species will know they don't have to be alone. If they live long enough, one, maybe even two other intelligent species will evolve.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Relevant Tangent posted:

Even if it ends up being !aliens (some weird planetary thing or something) it absolutely should serve as a reminder to us that we have a duty to build a mega-structure of our own, not just so we can be incredibly bad rear end but so that if we eventually go extinct other species will know they don't have to be alone. If they live long enough, one, maybe even two other intelligent species will evolve.

Or maybe tons exist, but they all hide and destroy each other the second they locate another civilization.

Never read it but the Three Body Problem kinda strikes me as Death Note in space.

Duscat
Jan 4, 2009
Fun Shoe
the good news is that if there's still a sapient technological species around to greet them when their radio signals arrive, it'll have stepped out of the virulent intraspecies competition death spiral that infests all biological species

somehow

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Hodgepodge posted:

Or maybe tons exist, but they all hide and destroy each other the second they locate another civilization.

Never read it but the Three Body Problem kinda strikes me as Death Note in space.

Read the killing star for that very scenario.

passionate dongs
May 23, 2001

Snitchin' is Bitchin'
on my home planet i was a surgeon. here i make quijibos for bloop blorps. Tabby #1 *points minature tabby flag, photo of supreme, honorable tabby*

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

I straight up hope that we just find an alien dick carved into an asteroid somewhere.
It would bring tears to humanity as we would have truly found a kindred spirit in the cosmos.

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Lawman 0 posted:

I straight up hope that we just find an alien dick carved into an asteroid somewhere.
It would bring tears to humanity as we would have truly found a kindred spirit in the cosmos.

i maintain that the most likely signals to be detected by seti are alien porn and cat videos

but an entire solar system configured into a celestial dickbutt would also work

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Lawman 0 posted:

Read the killing star for that very scenario.

i read one creepypasta were an alien civilization detects our early broadcasts and freaks out because we're so violent and launches a relativistic kill vehicle. then we chill out and it's too late to stop it. it hits and the survivors immediately gear up to travel to the alien civilization, which knows it's totally hosed itself, for revenge

given the distances and technologies involved, i'd personally say that the only thing more dangerous than an unknown advanced civilization is one that actually has the necessary motive for the colossal investment it would take to try to destroy you

the three body problem is pretty lol because of how contrived the trisolarian motive for invasion is

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Man Musk
Jan 13, 2010

I got excited and then I read the system leans Conservative

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


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Relevant Tangent posted:

Even if it ends up being !aliens (some weird planetary thing or something) it absolutely should serve as a reminder to us that we have a duty to build a mega-structure of our own, not just so we can be incredibly bad rear end but so that if we eventually go extinct other species will know they don't have to be alone. If they live long enough, one, maybe even two other intelligent species will evolve.

meh, there are easier ways to announce our presence to the galaxy, just blast radio waves of all kinds in all directions like we are already doing

edit: and if you want something that lasts beyond humanity's lifetime, just launch satellites that blast radio waves in all directions and is 100% solar powered, even with lovely components it would probably outlast us anyway

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ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


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also interesting: "great filter" theory - http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html

quote:

The Great Filter theory says that at some point from pre-life to Type III intelligence, there’s a wall that all or nearly all attempts at life hit. There’s some stage in that long evolutionary process that is extremely unlikely or impossible for life to get beyond. That stage is The Great Filter.

If this theory is true, the big question is, Where in the timeline does the Great Filter occur?

It turns out that when it comes to the fate of humankind, this question is very important. Depending on where The Great Filter occurs, we’re left with three possible realities: We’re rare, we’re first, or we’re hosed.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
lol if you think donald trump isn't an aspect of the great filter

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
we're here, we're announcing our presence to aliens with space search radar (looking for ICBMs, very powerful focused beams)

I think we should go down kicking and screaming, build massive radio broadcasters and broadcast poo poo about us

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.
can we have sex with t hese aliens or are they beyond corporeal bodies

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

mister magpie posted:

can we have sex with t hese aliens or are they beyond corporeal bodies

if they are anything like i imagine they want to have sex with you but you very much don't want to have sex with them.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Baloogan posted:

if they are anything like i imagine they want to have sex with you but you very much don't want to have sex with them.

that's because you imagine space ducks

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

Baloogan posted:

if they are anything like i imagine they want to have sex with you but you very much don't want to have sex with them.

you have a weird imagination

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.
my imaginary aliens are very fuckable

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.
have you seen the hit film Avatar by James Cameron

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Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

It's a huge comet swarm or they think the star swallowed one of its planets and is 'eating' it.
This isn't the first time they've seen it dim like this, so it's probably a big wad of whatever going around it in regular intervals.

But it could be aliens. And I think it should be aliens. And I want it to be aliens. So it's aliens.

Please come and cleanse this planet, you half-assed-dyson-star-building bastards. Do it.

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