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Flesh Forge posted:That leaves arts and humanities unattainable for bottom tier income, do you have any reason for that besides "it's cheaper"? Reason 1) It's directly cheaper, since we wouldn't pay for those degrees Reason 2) I kind of feel like paying for false hopes is not awesome. I have a quarter million in law school debt and I never really got to be a real lawyer (I mean technically I am, I passed the bar and I'm "licensed to practice" but I never got a job in it). So, I'm informed by the experience of wasting several years of my life on something that wasn't going to lead to a career, and law is certainly more viable than most artistic careers. I'd also seek to improve K-12 education so arts and humanities are covered considerably better. Reason 3) It's also probably indirectly cheaper. The costs of those programs would come down because they wouldn't have free government money flowing into them. The student loan programs are part of the reason education prices have climbed so high, since it's free money for them and feels like free money for an 18 year old (they learn later it isn't!). Leaning those programs could have spillover effects into the job related programs we would pay for directly. I worked in university payroll about 12 years ago and administratively things were quite bloated, with enormous management salaries. This is tenuous, though, so it's a distant 3rd. Are the best artists the university educated ones? Is that even really necessary for art? Legitimate question. 
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Fart City posted:Honestly the idea that Trump has a verbal contract with his wife that keeps him from having sex with her but still allows him to project the concept that he's married to a supermodel to the public is like the most Trump Art Of The Deal poo poo possible. Honestly, the thing that makes this rumor so credible is the simple fact that it's what everyone had to be assuming was true all along. It's not "Oh wow, what a juicy bombshell," it's "... Wait, was this not already just an assumed thing?" Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Crows Turn Off posted:Maybe I didn't make the tone of my post clear enough, sorry. I am a firm believer that a loss is a loss, and losing by a only small percentage doesn't somehow make it good for Democrats. I was wondering if people would use that argument yet again to claim that this loss still is a good sign. In that case, your opinion on these special elections is silly and unrealistic. The country is not a monolithic even distribution of people in all ideologies and parties spread throughout all districts. Barely losing in a deep dark red hellhole is unambiguously good for Democrats because it is compelling evidence of a 2018 wave. GA-06 is not the same as MT or KS. Hillary was destroyed in those 2 districts. A loss in GA-06 can't be spun if we're hoping for a wave. Rigel fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Has anyone seen the tabloids lately? It's STILL all "Hillary Benghazi Huma secret love affair children are dead Muslim emails plot" blasted all over them. All these tabloids don't have any thing to post about Trump. Who's running these things? Is it don't because this is they audience or is it because they are all run by Trumpers? You could seriously make an argument that those same papers are the primary reason for the hatred against Hillary. They ran stories on her constantly for decades. But yeah - a few months ago, they were all-in on Trump. There were headlines about him "getting things done" on their front page. Those have backed away as he's more and more obviously screwed up. As sad as it is, getting garbage publications like THE GLOBE to switch to anti-Trump stories would probably help in 2020 more than almost anything else we could do. 
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Sloober posted:Who do you think owns some of em? Give ya a hint, it's kinda Fox-like I remember when GWB was president seeing stupid fake trashy articles about him all the time though.
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PhazonLink posted:90s nothing, we're going to get Dust Bowl 2 because loving rednecks think that they can do they same thing their (great?)grandparents did and just magically not have the top soil blow away for reasons. Well politically it's becoming the 30s, why not go all in?
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Has anyone seen the tabloids lately? It's STILL all "Hillary Benghazi Huma secret love affair children are dead Muslim emails plot" blasted all over them. All these tabloids don't have any thing to post about Trump. Who's running these things? Is it don't because this is they audience or is it because they are all run by Trumpers? The guy who owns the National Enquirer is a friend of Trumps and was a big donor to his campaign. Think most others are just chasing sales.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I remember when GWB was president seeing stupid fake trashy articles about him all the time though. what could you say about Trump that would be unrealistic I'm serious, I can't think of anything. There's no scandal they can make up which beats real life.
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theflyingorc posted:You could seriously make an argument that those same papers are the primary reason for the hatred against Hillary. They ran stories on her constantly for decades. How much could the GLOBE actually be worth? What if like, Haim Saban or someone just bought them and rejigged their editorial slant? Enquirer from what I've seen is still usually fat, sick, and divorcing celebrities on the cover.
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theflyingorc posted:what could you say about Trump that would be unrealistic I mean, they could say something nice about him. That would be pretty shocking if true.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I remember when GWB was president seeing stupid fake trashy articles about him all the time though. The guy who owns the National Enquirer is a close friend of Trump e;fb
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Both of our plans would un-povertize the country to a dramatic effect. Yours would be nicer but also cost more. I'd be pretty stoked to live in either world.
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What is this World we're living in where I'm thinking fondly of GWB.
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Captain Monkey posted:Not to disagree, I actually like your plan better, but NIT would allow for a liberal arts education, it just wouldn't be free. I'd prefer it be free, but it's not unattainable with NIT. Well the reason I suggest free anything-goes education plus extra pay for preferred fields is imo it's more appealing to the average person than "pay discretionary money for STEM or get STEM for free", I think it would attract more students in both categories if people aren't required to spend their basic minimum/don't make bonus money. If you're going to budget for your minimum income to allow enough for people to pay for their own educations with it, it isn't even really cheaper anyway 
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Zil posted:The guy who owns the National Enquirer is a friend of Trumps and was a big donor to his campaign. Think most others are just chasing sales. Ironically one of the major shareholders in the company that publishes the Enquirer is Roger Altman, who was Bill Clinton's Deputy Secretary of the Treasury 
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Wistful of Dollars posted:What is this World we're living in where I'm thinking fondly of GWB. Its a very dark timeline.
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When does Barron finish his semester at school? Isn't that the reason why Melania isn't living in Washington? Is that ever going to happen?
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Fart City posted:Honestly the idea that Trump has a verbal contract with his wife that keeps him from having sex with her but still allows him to project the concept that he's married to a supermodel to the public is like the most Trump Art Of The Deal poo poo possible. He doesn't get to have sex with her, but if he pays her money he can tell everyone that he gets to have sex with her.
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Sloober posted:Who do you think owns some of em? Give ya a hint, it's kinda Fox-like There's something odd about the National Enquirer, though. They're heavily in the tank for Trump (I believe the owner is actually golfing buds with him or something) but they're RELISHING all the recent Fox News scandals and are repeatedly throwing them under the bus. Like they refer to "sex creep Bill O'Reilly" like that's his actual occupation. Sidenote: I have a hard time not typing "National Enrique" instead of National Enquirer.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I wouldn't care about this except for the alt-right's insane obsession with cuckoldry. It's awesome now because of that. One must remember, that whenever conservatives accuse others of doing a (purportedly) bad thing, it's usually projection. It's like the MRA/PUA crowd, They go on and on about alpha this and beta that because they are so insecure and lack confidence that the only way they can feel better about themselves is by pushing someone else down. They go on and on about cuck this and cuck that because they are insecure little man-babies. Trump has to be one of the most insecure people to ever breath, despite being rich, having access to beautiful women his entire life, born with every advantage and failing upwards to be literally the most powerful human being on the planet, he's still a sad, pathetic, bitter, hateful poo poo, and in large part I think his loser supporters are so into him because they instinctively get that he's just as pathetic as they are. They're jealous and insecure, they hate people of color because they feel inferior and thus band together with other losers to whine about how oppressed they are and their poor little ego's can't accept the truth so they project their own fears and insecurities onto those who they feel threatened by.
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https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/870722430104424452 real life is cool
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Rigel posted:Its a very dark timeline. hosed up thought: Invading Iraq was great, because if GWB did Afghanistan into social security reform he would have gotten it passed before the recession hit.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:How much could the GLOBE actually be worth? What if like, Haim Saban or someone just bought them and rejigged their editorial slant? A lot, apparently! This is their owner - apparently one company produces almost everything you see in the grocery store checkout: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Media,_Inc. They had $1.6 billion in revenue in 2006. That's a huge amount of magazines sold. Normally, I wouldn't worry about them as a political force, but that was before Trump's base started voting.
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Skex posted:One must remember, that whenever conservatives accuse others of doing a (purportedly) bad thing, it's usually projection. Well. Yeah.
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/870722430104424452 Oh my, how disturbing Congress will certainly find this
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/870722430104424452 loving do it 
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What would happen if Trump came out and said "the Treasury is now a subsidiary of the Trump Organization, deal with it!" Lieberals would be so sad.lizardman posted:Sidenote: I have a hard time not typing "National Enrique" instead of National Enquirer. National Enrique is a guy I went to middle school with. Skex posted:It's like the MRA/PUA crowd, They go on and on about alpha this and beta that because they are so insecure and lack confidence that the only way they can feel better about themselves is by pushing someone else down. They go on and on about cuck this and cuck that because they are insecure little man-babies. Also because they crank it to cuck porn so they think it's a normal reference
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Skex posted:They go on and on about cuck this and cuck that because they are insecure little man-babies. If we get proof that trump is literally getting cucked by melania in exactly the fashion that internet republicans are obsessed with totally absolutely 100% not being, I wonder how many of them would finally stop supporting him. Not over climate change, misogyny, being a rapist, a moron, none of that. Because cuck Lightning Lord posted:
It annoys me that they've managed to attach a political affiliation to a loving genre of porn.
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empty whippet box posted:If we get proof that trump is literally getting cucked by melania in exactly the fashion that internet republicans are obsessed with totally absolutely 100% not being, I wonder how many of them would finally stop supporting him. Not over climate change, misogyny, being a rapist, a moron, none of that. Because cuck Probably none
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FizFashizzle posted:Were you feeling too happy today? Jesus christ. I'm torn between we need to help these people, and stop having kids for fucks sake.
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/870722430104424452 i really really hope he does it
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/870722430104424452 haha amazing, do it by the way, here's the Trump family motto in Latin: ratione et re gesta stultissimi something along the lines of "in motive and action, the stupidest possible"
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/870722430104424452 If Comey and the Senate says "gently caress you, I'm testifying anyway", what are the consequences? Normally the witness is someone who is in the administration, an ally of the president, and doesn't want to testify. Comey has already proven repeatedly that he can give no fucks and go rogue.
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Hellblazer187 posted:What is that green flag flair on T_D. It looks pretty, uh, Nazi-ish but maybe my vision and flag knowledge are poor. It is nazi poo poo.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Has anyone seen the tabloids lately? It's STILL all "Hillary Benghazi Huma secret love affair children are dead Muslim emails plot" blasted all over them. All these tabloids don't have any thing to post about Trump. Who's running these things? Is it don't because this is they audience or is it because they are all run by Trumpers? Trump quoted the loving National Enquirer about the Zodiac killer/Kennedy assassination so I'm sure they are just doing him a solid now.
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Hellblazer187 posted:What is that green flag flair on T_D. It looks pretty, uh, Nazi-ish but maybe my vision and flag knowledge are poor. It's the "kekistan" flag, something that /pol/ made up.
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Hellblazer187 posted:What is that green flag flair on T_D. It looks pretty, uh, Nazi-ish but maybe my vision and flag knowledge are poor. The flag of "Kekistan" a dumb Nazi meme where they try to make fun of social justice/identity politics by demanding to be recognized as "kekistani" and screaming "did u assume my nationality" or some poo poo
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