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FourLeaf posted:Now there's certainly hard evidence, but before that had come out it had crossed the line into conspiracy mongering, and I think even Democrats had realized that and were backing off a bit. LOl I'm mad that Rachel Maddow was right before everyone agreed she was right.
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mcmagic posted:Even if she was right, she has been spending way too much time on it. Her show has become ponderous. She's now the highest rated cable TV news show. It's almost like this story has legs and people are interested in hearing about it.
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May 23, 2017 22:42
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Fulchrum posted:I think it's a lot simpler than that - a lot of leftists spent so much time saying that calling out Russia was "red-baiting" and that the only reason Hillary Clinton lost was because of insufficient leftness that the proof of Russian interference deflates their claims. They don't WANT the Russia thing to be true. I don't think it's a lot of leftists. It's just a small cabal of really bad ones. But yeah it's about not wanting democrats to win the wrong way. And also the legitimate fear they'll be called out for kneecapping Clinton when she went hard on this during the campaign. The Jimmy Dores of the world see the writing on the wall here, but they're still clinging to the hope this is all a deep state conspiracy or a delusion of the bad bad neoliberal democrats.
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May 23, 2017 23:58
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Is school choice a dogwhistle for "take my white kids out of minority schools? Support for charter schools is pretty consistent across racial groups so while this might accurately describe some people's conception of the issue it's not a complete picture.
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May 24, 2017 17:58
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Jaxyon posted:It should not be ignored that charters actually have a decent following in minority communities with concerned parents who see it as a way for their children to actually have a chance at success in areas where the schools are terrible. There's not much difference in support for charter schools across racial groups. TyroneGoldstein posted:Basically. In 'bad' school districts it's a way for the students that have more involved parents to get their kids out of the system. In the case of gentrifying whites (See: Weehawken NJ, among other places), it's a way to not have to send their kids to the schools with those same troubled kids. It's a win-win for each of those groups. Public "Magnet" schools without entrance requirements pose exactly the same problem. And Special Ed is bizzaro world where neighborhood public schools have the best services so even rich, savvy parents are going to send their kid with autism to a class with all the proles.
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May 24, 2017 18:31
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Mahoning posted:I always think its really telling when Christians identify with the weirdo cultish Christians enough to be offended when they are portrayed in the media somehow.. Where are the moderate Christians denouncing the extremists?!?
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May 24, 2017 20:18
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I wish I was more confident that body slamming a journalist would be a net negative for a Montana politician.
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May 25, 2017 00:19
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The Shrike dropped by to give Trump his cruciform before he strokes out.
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May 29, 2017 18:36
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VitalSigns posted:Our economy and our businesses are suffering from slack demand, giving poor people more money is the most effective way to increase demand. The highest nominal minimum wage is Australia's at 13.16 and it's lower when you adjust for purchasing power. Perhaps listening to actual economists, even if only the ones on the left edge of the orthodox like Piketty, is not a terrible strategy here.
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May 30, 2017 07:47
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VitalSigns posted:Yes if you use a Heritage Foundation / Fox News level of disingenuous argumentation then Australia has the highest statutory minimum wage, because you've excluded all the countries that set a de facto minimum wage via collective bargaining agreements. Then you can pretend that, say, Denmark and its de facto minimum wage of US$18 doesn't exist. Your "all economists are right wing hacks" schtick is silly. That Denmark number is actually the average minimum negotiated across sectors--a substantial number of workers can be paid less than that. And when you adjust for purchasing power--everything is more expensive in Denmark, and their lowest income tax bracket is 40%-- that $20 dollar figure looks more like $12 would in the US. So no, there aren't any countries with a $20 minimum and it's either disingenuous or uninformed to assert the opposite. It's also instructive that Denmark achieved its de facto minimum through widespread unionization, and those unions have rejected calls for a national minimum because they prefer the flexibility of collective bargaining and they fear a minimum enforced by the state would actually lower wages.
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May 30, 2017 16:01
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The actual quote "It's to avert attention. It's like covfefe. Trending! Worldwide! Maybe for a minute you'll forget the latest accusation about them transpiring with Russia," she said. "It's the circus, right? It's what a classic authoritarian does." She's not wrong.
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Jun 1, 2017 00:23
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Groovelord Neato posted:there's no reason for her to bring up the last bit unless she's assigning that intent. She's arguing trump's tweeting in general is a purposeful distraction from issues that damage him, not that every individual tweet is some multilayered psyop. This is immediately obvious to anyone whose brain didn't break 8 months ago.
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If UHC passes the California legislature jerry brown will veto.
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Jun 2, 2017 05:32
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VitalSigns posted:Doesn't the bill have to pass with a veto-proof majority already because California's dumbass Constitution has a supermajority requirement for all revenue? The version that just passed the senate doesn't actually have any mechanism (ie: taxes) to pay for itself, so  The nurses are floating a 2.25% sales tax with the same rate levied on business revenue which would neither pass with a 2/3 majority nor survive moonbeam's veto. Dude doesn't gently caress around with the budget.
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Jun 2, 2017 10:09
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Majorian posted:It's amazing to me that they apparently don't realize how awful this looks. Maybe they know Comey has things to say that sound even worse. Rigel posted:I imagine he'd be afraid of losing in the primary in 2020 to some other statewide office-holding Republican who can say "pfft, don't vote for that loser, give me the nomination" The senate's going to vote on impeaching trump after Dems take the house in 2018. That's a vote you'd really like to avoid as a republican--you alienate a lot of your base either way. Chaffetz may well have thought the same.
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Jun 2, 2017 22:52
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*extremely Glenn Greenwald voice* Which is more likely? The Intercept, among the most paranoid journalistic outfits regarding the IC, made an honest but intensely stupid mistake and burned one of their sources. Or, The Intercept, among the most skeptical journalistic outfits regarding Trump/Russia, intentionally burned a source that contradicted their narrative.
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Jun 6, 2017 02:54
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mcmagic posted:The IC is a much greater threat to my rights than Russia is. The more we know about what they are doing, the better. Trump is the greatest actual threat to your rights you've ever faced. Russia hustled to put him in power and the IC is at the vanguard of resisting him. Remove head from anus.
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Jun 6, 2017 15:54
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mcmagic posted:I'm a mid 30s white dude. Trump is not coming after me. 1). Gross 2). Unless you're defining rights in some brain dead libertarian way, Trump is absolutely a threat to your right to live in a clean environment, a representative democracy, and a world at peace.
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Jun 6, 2017 16:03
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enraged_camel posted:Fixing the American system is very easy: get private money out of politics. Candidates should be able to use only public funds. Not even their own money. You'd need a different Supreme Court or a constitutional amendment; not very easy.
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Jun 15, 2017 01:57
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Boon posted:America's relationships will be fine after Trump so long as: If Trump makes approaching the world state hat in hand politically tenable, we could actually end up in a better position in the long run. If trump's the archetypal ugly American, there'd be a lot of value in publicly rejecting him. "We promise not to be like trump anymore" would play well at home and abroad.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:55
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Motherfuckers waited til school got out to avoid massive walkout protests.
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Jun 16, 2017 05:12
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Dems win the house in 2018, they vote to impeach trump, the Senate has an impeachment trial, and republican senators are faced with an impossible dilemma going into the 2020 election--defend Radioactive Trump or stab MAGA in the back. That's a no win situation for them.
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Jun 19, 2017 18:48
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sleep with the vicious posted:hmmm....how about no, your abuela just didn't appeal to anyone because she's a lying monster desperate for any kind of power who anyone can see through and nobody likes Thanks for reminding us about all the bernouts who mocked Clinton during the election for suggesting Russia might be helping Trump.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:43
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99 CENTS AMIGO posted:I can't handle the Obama admin's reluctance to do anything. It really will go down as a huge moment of cowardice. It's less cowardice than miscalculation. Shouting from the rooftops that Russia is undermining our democracy has the effect of undermining confidence in our democracy, which Obama knew was a major Russian goal. In the October 2016 world where Clinton is a lock to win, you can try to minimize harm by not publicizing the interference--we're just all living with the downside risk. He was wrong, but not necessarily because he was afraid.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:49
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Relentlessboredomm posted:The left killed his dad, and now he's out for revenge. Coming to a conservative theater near you. He is:Berniebro Butcher Berniebros and conservatives are allies of convenience. Democrats are a waste unless they embrace the dumb socialist strawman Reagan created.
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Jun 25, 2017 04:17
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Javes posted:That Clinton ad displays how the democrats ad strategy needs to be completely reworked. People need a reason to vote FOR a candidate, a la Jeremy Corbyn. Watch the last 20 seconds dumbo.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:51
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Majorian posted:The last 20 seconds are of her drawing a "fit to be president" contrast between herself and Trump. It's the same general argument as the first 40 seconds: "vote for me because I'm not Trump." Yes she's contrasting her fitness to be president with his lack of fitness. That's a reason to vote FOR her. Vote for me because the president sets an example for our children, and I'll set a good one where he sets a bad one. This isn't hard if your brain ain't broke.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:04
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Majorian posted:Except that this was the centerpiece of her strategy throughout the campaign, and it didn't work. Pander posted:She executes it horribly. I'm sorry that advertisement contradicts the narrative that Hillary Clinton never gave any affirmative reasons to vote for her during the election, but it does. Lightning Lord posted:No, it's saying "Vote for me because I'm not this guy" I think that's valid but it needs to be bolstered with concrete policies. Like to bring up Corbyn again, people thought he was a lunatic until Labour released their manifesto, which was full of things they stood for and promised to do. "Theresa May is an idiot" wasn't gonna make anyone vote Oh, if this is all just more "Clinton didn't promise full communism now" whining, my apologies for engaging. JeffersonClay fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Pander posted:"managing to not be a complete chode to people* is not an affirmative reason to vote someone in as president, what is wrong with you? Being presidential, having the fitness and demeanor to be president, is absolutely an affirmative reason to vote someone in as president. What is wrong with YOU?
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Jun 29, 2017 23:02
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khwarezm posted:Why the gently caress was the thread about Russian interference in the election locked? It made some bad leftists mad.
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Jul 6, 2017 18:20
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Covok posted:This means many people will suddenly find their wages slashes significantly. I'd like to say that'd be a wake-up call, but all local media is owned by a conglomerate that is right-leaning so they will likely blame democrats. It might mean that. There's an economic concept called downward nominal wage rigidity, which means that employers are reluctant to cut wages even when the labor market fundamentals would allow them to. It's used to explain why unemployment rises during recessions, rather than wages dropping, which is the pattern that's usually observed. It's one of the reasons Keynesians argue the labor market is different than other markets. It will be interesting to see what actually happens. Cutting the minimum wage from 10 to 7 is pretty clearly a dumb idea regardless. New hires will certainly be affected.
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call to action posted:It's weird how many people in this thread want Fag Hater In Chief Mike Piss to be president. Are these the decorum loving West Wingers I've heard so much about? Establishment republicans stab MAGA in the back and alienate half their base, destroying their coalition of white supremacists and free market fundamentalists? Yes, please.
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There are zero possible paths to a mike pence presidency before 2020 that do not include the GOP helping to impeach/25th amendment trump out. That will necessarily create a GOP civil war. Mike pence as president with a hopelessly fractured GOP is obviously preferable to the status quo.
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Jul 6, 2017 21:06
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awesmoe posted:you mean apart from the obvious path, the reason there's a vp in the first place, right? Yes, Trump the (non-figurative) martyr would be terrible news. Hoping trump will die is dumb. Hoping the GOP is forced to remove him and destroy themselves in the process is smart. JeffersonClay fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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Jul 6, 2017 21:37
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farraday posted:I feel for this guy. On one hand, Donald Jr. tweeted out proof the campaign colluded with Russia to influence the election. On the other hand, look at those MSM snowflake tears!
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Jul 11, 2017 16:49
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skylined! posted:so does anyone want to take their best guess at why all of these Russians are releasing details of this meeting, other than maximum chaos from Putin Dance, puppet! It's one or the other and there's no downside for putin.
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Jul 14, 2017 23:37
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OhDearGodNo posted:No. It's because the pay is pretty drat good. A bit of racism, fine, but sexism? Surely not in my West Virginia.
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:democrats actively try to gently caress over the poor but not for those reasons. both parties work for the interests of globalism and corporate tyranny. no self respecting woke individual should ever cast a vote for any of the two major parties The horseshoe theory thread is called Democrats are a waste, FYI.
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Jul 17, 2017 23:50
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Groovelord Neato posted:that's not what horseshoe theory means (since our parties are far right and center-right). The people in the thread aren't center right, genius.
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mcmagic posted:This is almost certainly wrong. There's certainly no data to reach a conclusion either way.
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