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Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015

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Angrymog posted:

I posted this on the Discord, but still find it very funny so am sharing here too.

I've signed up for a PbP of SotL on the big purple, and someone rolled 'A bizarre fetish' as their interesting object. Now, I personally interpreted that as owning a strange voodoo doll type thing. They've decided their character wants to gently caress caves.

orlanthiheroquest.txt

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Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015

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Really seems like besides a few exceptions, you're better off taking a second Expert Path than going through with a Master Path.

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Nov 12, 2015

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Coolness Averted posted:

I haven't crunched stuff enough to see that and haven't played a game yet so can't comment there, but I do sometimes worry when a book's examples of character building/leveling up and paths is always described from story perspective/narrative. This is a hack and slash game, not FATE or Dungeon World I want a solid and balanced engine for killing things and taking their stuff.

Really it comes down to the fact the crunch is tight, so as long as you're paying a minimum of attention to where your strengths (combat options) lie your character is going to be viable regardless of path combination.*

But on the same vein this means that Paths which expand your options are going to be more engaging and fun unless you're truly aiming for a very narrow theme/gimmick. For example, all the magic Master Paths face veeery stiff competition from Sorcerer - assuming it wasn't already your Expert Path. And then you've got poo poo like Transmuter which offers the most boring loving thing, flat stat bonuses, but +3 to your combat stat is reaaally loving good.



*Magic is really the only part where you have to be truly mindful of your choices, due to the limits on castings and needing to buy into traditions first before being able to access higher level spells.

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Nov 12, 2015

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Gort posted:

I don't really get what they were going for in that picture. It's dumb.

"Let's have a big demon and then... chain a naked woman to its crotch"?

It's a jock thing.

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Nov 12, 2015

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marshmallow creep posted:

It is the best picture for showing why wizards are the worst.

It's not a pony so I'm unconvinced.

Conspiratiorist
Nov 12, 2015

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Don't forget that knowing Battle Magic makes you go berserk instead when you'd go mad, which makes the effect predictable at the cost of potentially indulging in friendly fire.

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Nov 12, 2015

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You can only learn spells of traditions you know.

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Nov 12, 2015

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FunkMonkey posted:

You should read Hunger in the Void if you want the full skinny on the Demon Lord. It also posits that even the most depraved of the demon cults don't actually know what they're worshipping until it's too late, since not even the craziest, most evil person would be nihilistic enough to worship an entity devoted to nothing short of total extinction. It's more that they serve dark, self-serving pursuits or twisted distortions of more reasonable ideals or fields of study.

So, Republicans?

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Nov 12, 2015

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I'm not sure I'm understanding what the problem is. Your guy wants to be good at melee without putting points into STR/DEX?

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Nov 12, 2015

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Nothing stops Priest from using Prayer on themselves for their attacks, either. It would waste their level 8 ability, but by then they should have other sources of bonuses so it's alright to switch.

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Nov 12, 2015

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Makaris posted:

It's more that a level 10 guy swings a stick just as good as a level 0 guy unless he classes into stuff. Just seems a bit odd is all. Will need to get people more in the mind set of min maxing.

Accuracy is bound to d20+-d6, so unless you are spreading everything evenly for some reason, your swing stick stat is going to get at least a +3 over the course of your career. That's pretty significant.

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Nov 12, 2015

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Goblins can do Agility 19 through much the same process, and Humans 18 on any attribute they want. Though, Strength is the worse attribute to do this on, even if it can get the highest, as Agility at least can be used for Defense (Humans and Goblins can get an easy 23 with Arcane Armor).

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Nov 12, 2015

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Soft Leather clothing is AGI+1 Defense, stacks with Arcane Armor just fine.

Large Shield is +2 to Size 1, Small Shield is +1.

12 Agility
+1 Novice 1
+1 Expert 3
+1 Master 7
= 15
+2 Transmuter 7 (optimization)
+1 Transmuter 10
= 18
+1 Soft Leather
+2 Arcane Armor
+2 Large Shield
= 23

Goblins get +1 Agility compared to Humans but can't use Large Shields, so they get 23 as well.

Conspiratiorist fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Jul 21, 2017

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Nov 12, 2015

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Jack B Nimble posted:

So many of the advanced classes give you magical traditions, but a magician can pick any tradition when leveling? I was going to limit my player to choices they were able find in game (while of course allowing them to seek our whatever, I just want some in game basis for it) but I'm curious about the mechanics/rules as written. Even though some classes are based around a certain tradition, that's not meant to be the only way to gain those traditions? There's nothing that's "off limits" when making your magician picks?

Nope, nothing.

Same for Rogues and their 'Magic' Roguery Talent.

And for every path that doesn't explicitly force you to learn or pick a spell from a specific tradition, of which are many.

Going a step further even, the Wizard Expert Path can cast spells of traditions they haven't even learned, by choosing them for their Grimoire. This includes unique spells that aren't part of any tradition, like the Spellbinder's "Spellbound Weapon". But they're the one exception in having this capability.

Conspiratiorist fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Aug 6, 2017

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Nov 12, 2015

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Jack B Nimble posted:

Woah, wait, are you sure? That's not the conclusion I drew when I read the Wizard class, but maybe I need to go re-read it.

No, my bad, misremembered.

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Nov 12, 2015

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Serf posted:

This Thursday, at 7:00 PM EST, I'll be running "The Man Who Fell to Urth", which is a Master-level adventure. I want to see how the game plays at the top level, so I'm running it for 10th-level adventurers.

So how'd this go?

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Nov 12, 2015

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More health is a path feature.

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Nov 12, 2015

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Jimmeeee posted:

Pretty problematic from an "Orcs are inherently stronger and less intelligent" perspective.

Orcs are literally a race magic-engineered into being big dumb brutes to serve as slave soldiers.

If this is a problem for your personal setting then just reskin the Ancestries as was suggested earlier - let a player mechanically play a human while saying they're an orc or whatever.

But for the setting as is? It's not racism if it's true. In fact, it's intentionally treated as a horrible crime on the part of the Empire and a tragedy for the Jotuns.

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Nov 12, 2015

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There isn't one, and why would you houserule it in??

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Nov 12, 2015

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No that's fine, but our dude Jack B Nimble did.

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Nov 12, 2015

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Pharmaskittle posted:

I'm not a verisimilitude guy but the idea of a man effectively loading, aiming, and firing a crossbow while being assaulted with a sword is powerfully offensive to me.

You know abstraction, and what's the problem with pointing in a dude's general direction and firing point-blank? The reloading part is already a mechanically bad idea unless you're some kind of Expert.

Jack B Nimble posted:

My players came into the game expecting that rule and when we couldn't find one we collectively introduced it.

...But we're also the group that decided 40k rpg wasn't nearly complex enough; I myself spent a long time recalculating about a hundred melee weapons to align with a grand universal theory of what should distinguish one and two handed versions of swords, axes, maces, and spears (along with daggers and bayonets). We're spergy, SOTDL is our vacation from spreadsheets.

Oh also in my game rangers don't get 8 health and I get a good feeling just saying that.

Well now that's just being hosed in the head.

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Nov 12, 2015

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LGD posted:

So a pretty good selection of things to build-around- I think most support reasonable niches and are worthy of consideration if you're building a character that fits into their archetype. I think Spellguard is the obvious standout from a power level perspective, since it solves many of the issues Gish builds had previously with Power progression (rogue), action economy (rogue and especially priest), and basic combat bonuses (Acolyte). Though I don't think it's so far above the curve it'd cause serious problems (i.e. it's not going totally quadratic or invalidating other character types, it just has some real nova potential).

Gish Rogues have an action economy problem?

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Nov 12, 2015

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Challenge rolls are always TN 10; it's right there on page 31.

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Nov 12, 2015

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dwarf74 posted:

Consistency looks like one hell of a 1st level spell.

That sounds silly strong with Rogue's Exploit Opportunity.

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Nov 12, 2015

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Wizard for the grimoire.

e;fb

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Nov 12, 2015

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Yeah you don't even need to discover Life if you're a Magician+Wizard.

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Nov 12, 2015

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The Engineer Master Path (level 7) gives you a pet that is coincidentally called an Eidolon.

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Nov 12, 2015

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"Hey I found a system that's 5e but better in every single way, down to having even more published material. Maybe we should try it out. And by 'maybe' I mean that I won't shut up about it till we do."

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Nov 12, 2015

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I'm personally okay with all the "edgy" poo poo being played straight.

There's naturally the issue of desensitization through overload, so pacing and presentation matters, but by and large the books' various ideas are serviceable for conveying a gross, hosed up world: the Shadow of the Demon Lord is gradually turning Urth, an already rather unwholesome place, into a living nightmare.

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Nov 12, 2015

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Rogue Cunning lets you add 2 boons (and subsequently 2d6 damage if it's an attack) to the same roll.

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Nov 12, 2015

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This is why the US will never switch to metric.

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Nov 12, 2015

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Correct. Triggered Actions pull double duty as conditional interrupts (ie attack opportunity if an enemy pulls away from melee), and actions that you can arbitrarily choose to take on your Turn if you have the appropriate talents (Assassin lets you use your Triggered Action to Hide or Retreat during your turn).

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Nov 12, 2015

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Tuxedo Catfish posted:

Can you apply Trickery twice to the same roll?

How do Exploit Opportunity and Twain Self interact?

1) Yes.

2) You each get your own set of #-per-round abilities, like Trickery and Exploit Opportunity.

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Nov 12, 2015

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It's a level 4 spell with various drawbacks, it better be.

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Nov 12, 2015

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Tuxedo Catfish posted:

Do triggered actions count as actions?

No.

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Nov 12, 2015

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Yes, the PDF was and remains updated to the new Fighter.

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Nov 12, 2015

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Run a game.

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Nov 12, 2015

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The goony option is to sabotage 5e games by consistently creating situations that showcase the rules potholes and busting out the imbalanced power builds.

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Nov 12, 2015

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Why can't you cast while holding a longbow?

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Nov 12, 2015

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Spellbinder can use their bound weapons as implements.

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