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I went back to watch the first couple episodes of the show, and on the one hand there competent plotting and it's weirdly entertaining to see Arya & Bran be little shits with some kind of personality, not to mention Jaime looking like a post-'90s surfer dude. But on the other hand, the Dothraki plot is a complete shitshow in terms of representing race and sexuality, to the point where I can't believe I kept watching. I certainly remember now what drove me away from the books, and it's kinda fun in retrospect to think back to powering through that stuff on the show in the hopes of a strong plot development/ending outweighing early problems 
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Collapsing Farts posted:What's bad about the dothrakis? It's the presentation, at this point they're just the generic darker-skinned wild people who are scary because all they want to do is gently caress and kill each other for fun. Seen through the central character of the tiny white girl (whose mission now is to learn to please her rapist husband).
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Jun 5, 2019 16:25
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Arcsquad12 posted:Well that was eventually blamed on Viserys when he hired a whore to teach Dany how to ride Drogo. Not saying it absolves Clarke's terrible acting but it did have the side effect of getting rid of the creepy rape overtones since the whore also helped Dany gain confidence and meet Drogo on her own terms instead of as a slave. Like I said, a lot of it was the presentation, it still feels problematic to me regardless of later plot developments. The hired lady just compounds that, GRRM's obsession with inserting references to creepy sex stuff was the final straw for me with the books, and something the show toned down. But it's right up front here with her blithely narrating her story of being sold to a brothel as a child before moving on to the sex training 
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Jun 5, 2019 17:04
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Glenn Quebec posted:I never took all the creepy stuff he put in as being a celebrated thing but rather showing how depraved and horrendous some characters could be Oh, it's not celebrated, it's just the number of times stuff like that comes up. Like, did you ever consider not constantly going back to that particular well while making up your fantasy world? I can believe it's a lovely place full of bad people even without all that.
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Jun 5, 2019 17:34
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Splinter posted:In the books Drogo doesn't rape Dany. He seduces her and asks for permission. Goddammit showrunners Ralph Crammed In posted:If you ignore that she's like fifteen. Goddammit GRRM
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Jun 5, 2019 20:29
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pseudanonymous posted:I don't think that's true. There's this broad representation that throughout history women were treated universally like chattel, and most historians now are arguing that while that occasionally happened, and noble daughters, in particular, were often highly pressured to marry to secure alliance, the vast majority of peasants got married because they wanted to (often later, in the mid-later twenties). Certainly, in many instances, women had reduced property rights and there was no law against marital rape, but the experiences of most women throughout history do not equate to the often depicted France/Brittain noble daughters being used to secure alliances. That could've been an interesting way to ~subvert expectations~ about life back then on made-up fantasy NotEarth, but I guess the lure of throwing a 12- or 18.01-year-old into the cliche version was just too strong.
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Jun 6, 2019 01:15
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Fine, more giants stepping on people and more soldiers loving each other.
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Jun 6, 2019 18:20
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Ocean Book posted:ive been rewatching and rereading from the beginning and in both cases I’m skipping danaerys (and most bran) chapters. it’s really good that way. Yeah that's probably for the best. I think there is some ok Dany stuff in the early show but it's tough to get over that start. The book, though, ......eesh. I kinda like tiny whiny Bran in the show though, that guy loved climbing more than I'll ever love anything and I can respect that. I honestly don't remember a thing about him in the books after he got pushed out the window, I think I quit the series before he actually did anything interesting outside the wall.
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Jun 7, 2019 01:11
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*hastily pencils in Game of Thrones above Return of the Jedi on Things David Cronenberg Should've Made list*
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Jun 7, 2019 02:17
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pseudanonymous posted:He's seven when the books start. You're more like a puppy than a person at that age, how could he even really have interesting chapters. They're interesting if you like people who really like climbing things, if it's like the show
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Jun 7, 2019 03:22
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That shot was the one thing in the series that made me give an audible reaction - not Ned's execution, not the Red Wedding, that shot. Unfortunately the reaction was a snort of laughter and "oh my God, really?"
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Jun 7, 2019 16:41
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Same, except for Arya giving the Night King the ol' righty-lefty shank and killing the entire zombie army. That just got the dreaded silent  of definitively realizing that any interest I had in the remainder of the show's conclusion would never be paid off.
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Jun 7, 2019 17:57
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Dumb Lowtax posted:I don't care what the writers wanted, that dragon burnt that throne because he saw the knife stuck in his mom and decided it was the chair full of knives that killed her. The writers be damned, whoever first typed that made the real game of thrones story and I accept it as such for all conversations. After all the dragon can't read minds, it wasn't there to observe Jon do it, and it's always been pitbill-intelligence not Smaug-from-The-Hobbit-intelligence. *stares, breathing heavily with mouth slightly open*
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Jun 7, 2019 19:04
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The more I rewatch the early episodes, the more I'm convinced that the only good ending is Renly becoming king. The Night King eventually shows up and is like, drat, I guess some people ARE just cool and good, looks like I don't need to wipe out human life after all
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Jun 8, 2019 16:38
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TheWeepingHorse posted:Night King sees Margaery, mutters "bodacious", takes a picture and marches back north 
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Jun 8, 2019 19:56
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Ralph Crammed In posted:He should have had cold related puns like Mr Freeze 
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Jun 8, 2019 21:18
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IT'S A SERIOUS AND REALISTIC SHOW!!!
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Jun 8, 2019 21:47
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Facebook Aunt posted:He was suicidal. He never wanted to be the Night King. Job sucks. Life sucks. Suicide by I dunno, he seems pretty smirky when Dany fails to kill him with dragon fire. Maybe his innate trolliness outweighs his death wish. Also lol @ looking up that scene because it briefly looks like Jon might get to do something exciting and meaningful, but NOPE.
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Jun 9, 2019 01:53
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Calaveron posted:Tag urself, I'm the medical alert bracelet I'm WordStar 4.0, (c) 1987 MicroPro International
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Jun 10, 2019 00:37
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Evil Agita posted:I'm George RR Martin, the author How much would it cost to get a good ending
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Jun 10, 2019 01:11
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Solice Kirsk posted:If you thought this was gonna have a good ending, you haven't been paying attention.
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Jun 10, 2019 01:31
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:So after watching only season 8 and laughing at every minute of it, I’m watching the show from the beginning. Just about to watch the finale of Season 2, Tyrion just hosed up Stannis’ fleet with Fel Napalm and led some soldiers into battle while Joff went to go hide Honestly after just getting to the end of S2 in my own ill-advised rewatch, that episode's finale is pretty awesome and I kinda don't want to go any further because I know they just start loving things up more and more.
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Jun 10, 2019 01:47
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Step 1: Deliver harsh justice to those who generally deserve it Step 2: ??? Step 3:
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Jun 10, 2019 17:52
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The ol' fastball special, works every time!
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Jun 10, 2019 19:06
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Communist Walrus posted:Ignoring the very end where all the dummies name him supreme leader, does Bran actually affect anything at all in the series? I haven't watched the early seasons since they first aired but it kind of seems like he never did anything of consequence and could be removed entirely with minimal effort. He sits in one spot so conspicuously that the Night King gets confuzled and distracted, leaving him open to a sneak attack that could definitely not have happened at literally any other time or place.
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Jun 10, 2019 22:39
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What if Bran had been faking his paraplegia for the last eight years just to lure the Night King in, NK blocks Arya but it's Bran who jumps up and stabs him *winks at camera* "GOT EM!" *cut to credits*
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Jun 10, 2019 22:44
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poisonpill posted:Lmao I misread that as “did Bronn do anything or affect the plot in any way” and my initial thought was “huh, nope!” He actually killed Tyrion and Jaime with a sweet ricochet shot, everything after that was just the fevered imagination of a dying mind.
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Jun 11, 2019 00:33
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Goddamn the Podrick Fucks Super Good plotline is the stupidest thing that's ever aired on television, we should've known how things would go from there 
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Jun 11, 2019 03:59
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Solice Kirsk posted:I always liked the theory that it was a ploy by Littlefinger to try and get information about Bronn/Tyrion from Pod through the whores. Bronn keeps asking what he did, what he told them, what they said because he gets the feeling something isn't right, but Tyrion keeps believing it because he wants his hooker girlfriend to be a real girlfriend so needs to believe that maybe Pod is super good and the hookers can really love him. I wish I could believe that 
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Jun 11, 2019 04:12
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The Human Frame posted:Don't forget Margaery telling Sansa what a great time Tyrion is reputed to be, and virgin sworn to chastity Jon Snow inventing cunnilingus north of the wall.  I just got to the latter, what a series where you get moronic poo poo like that and the stupid Podrick sideplot sandwiched in with stuff like Beric Dondarrion dying and being reborn, and traitor Davos being taught to read by Stannis' kid. I knew rewatching it was going to be a bad idea, there's a lot of good stuff in there that's kind of depressing because it belongs in a better show.
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Jun 11, 2019 05:22
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Glenn Quebec posted:Nothing is as bad as Tyrions, "stories are the most powerful thing." Speech Not even a literal "Song of Ice and Fire" book appearing onscreen?
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Jun 11, 2019 22:51
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Chomp8645 posted:Written five minutes after the war ended, amidst the still smoking ruin of the capital city. Definitely a very accurate and useful account. Well maybe that's why everything felt rushed this season.
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Jun 11, 2019 22:56
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Note: Eddie died on the way back to his home planet
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Jun 12, 2019 03:11
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https://bgr.com/2019/06/11/game-of-thrones-season-8-hbo-submits-the-worst-episodes-for-emmys-lol-lol-lol/ "What do we say to the god of low ratings?" "Not today."
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Jun 12, 2019 16:44
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Maybe they're going for the old "technically it doesn't say outstandingly good" play.
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Jun 12, 2019 23:47
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:
Ugh, the dill ones are way better!
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Jun 13, 2019 17:06
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uber_stoat posted:in the books they come across as more threatening because they have a bunch weird supernatural poo poo going on. Is that where they get more into the cthulhu-ish stuff that the show alluded to in maybe one episode?
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Jun 13, 2019 22:21
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thatguy posted:yes, and then immediately forgot about because chekov and gently caress that motherfucker I mean there's still time for the books to follow the Night King/bad rulers getting killed with Cthulhu waking up to destroy everyone except his true servants followed immediately by him going back to sleep after Asha/Yara's ship bumps into him
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Jun 13, 2019 22:49
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Hahaha I forgot that was their official motto, that's so specific and petty it becomes awesome. Now I want everyone to have their own lazy house words, like "WORK SUCKS" or "UGH, gently caress FARMING"
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:But Cthulhu the lazy rapist Vikings worship is real yeah, right? He's real and cool and he is my friend
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