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Jamwad Hilder posted:Yeah that's pretty much the way I see it. I actually think, for all the poo poo he gets, Fleury is a perfectly good goalie and Vegas makes a lot of sense as a landing spot. Vancouver maybe? Benning is dumb as all gently caress and he's already said Markstrom, while he is the goalie of the future, isn't ready for the #1 just yet.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:You're right though. I don't know who else would even be interested. Maybe Buffalo or Arizona? I mean Vancouver really should if they can get futures along with Fleury, but apparently Ryan Miller's veteran no cups leadership is better?
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I know we poo poo on "intangibles" a lot but by all accounts MAF is a great locker-room guy and one of those sorts of people that makes a group cohesive so I can't see why a rag-tag team of conscripts like Vegas wouldn't want a guy like that to make the whole experience less loving weird and awkward for a new team.
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TBeats posted:I don't know if you're being serious or not or which way you are leaning but I know you watch football and calling five straight penalties on the defense wouldn't make me feel better if the offense got a TD taken away. It's not comparable to football unless they started taking away players and it became 11 on 8 on the goal line. At one point Nashville had a 5 on 3 man advantage, which is essentially a gift of a goal that they failed to convert
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i wonder what kunitz does, he's old enough to retire and has young kids to boot, and i think the penguins are smart enough to not bring him back unless he gets a low money deal. he could probably cash in on the intangibles he surely has from winning 4 cups and rubbing elbows with great players on the penguins, ducks, and at the olympics - it's not hard to imagine peter chiarelli or lou lamoriello thinking chris kunitz might be the guy who teaches their young core What It Takes To Win
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Pittsburgh shouldn't give Vegas assets to take MAF. If they can get him to waive they can probably send him somewhere else and get an actual return for him... which hurts Vegas, who have a real path to picking extra goalies for trading. That playoff run has to have boosted his value.
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Jordan7hm posted:Pittsburgh shouldn't give Vegas assets to take MAF. If they can get him to waive they can probably send him somewhere else and get an actual return for him... which hurts Vegas, who have a real path to picking extra goalies for trading. That playoff run has to have boosted his value. Why would anyone do the Pens any favours with their cap issue? Fleury is a pure cap dump and it's not like he's a top level starter. Goalies get essentially no return at the best of times, and he's a decent #1 getting paid market value that has been supplanted by a younger, better goaltender. The Pens would be lucky not to lose a 1st round pick when they deal him. The ask from any team, not just Vegas, is going to be Fleury plus. Vegas is just probably going to be the cheapest to do so because they don't have a starter yet, and Rutherford can bundle Fleury into a larger deal structured around the expansion draft. ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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Calgary has like no one right? Do they have a better option than MAF?
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T-Bone posted:Calgary has like no one right? Do they have a better option than MAF? Miller and Mason are comparable UFAs, Lehner is younger and better and I don't think they're done with Elliott quite yet. He's not their first choice, but they'll probably turn to him again before moving anything of note for MAF. There are always more starting goalies than available positions.
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All of this is pointless because MAF has zero reason to accept a trade when he can force a buyout and become a free agent. He handled everything exceptionally generously the past year-plus but he's not going to allow a trade just to do the Penguins a solid. e: I like Bonino a lot but he's exactly the kind of player a smart team says thanks for everything and lets someone else overpay him and replaces him with a young guy from their system. Which the Penguins are swimming in right now. Carter Rowney is free for a couple years and will do most of what Bonino does. Kunitz will be back because he's Crosby's BFF. I just hope he doesn't take too much money. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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ThinkTank posted:Miller and Mason are comparable UFAs, Lehner is younger and better and I don't think they're done with Elliott quite yet. He's not their first choice, but they'll probably turn to him again before moving anything of note for MAF. There are always more starting goalies than available positions. Isn't Lehner going back to Buffalo? I'm not saying the Penguins would get anything of note but surely Calgary is a possible dumping location.
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T-Bone posted:Isn't Lehner going back to Buffalo? I'm not saying the Penguins would get anything of note but surely Calgary is a possible dumping location. McKenzie has stated a few times that Botterill is at best lukewarm about going into next season with Lehner as his starter for some reason. Probably just a "new boss/new look" thing, but the Sabres are kinda down on his erratic play.
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I will laugh for a week straight when Shero signs MAF and pushes Schneider out so MAF can start.
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so what are the potential deals that could go down before the roster freeze? I know we have: 1. Pittsburgh goalies 2. Minnesota defensemen 3. Anaheim defensemen what else?
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Jamwad Hilder posted:so what are the potential deals that could go down before the roster freeze? I know we have: According to Friedman, likely Clarkson and a 1st to Vegas.
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T-Bone posted:Calgary has like no one right? Do they have a better option than MAF? Rumor is they and the Jets are after Raanta.
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Jordan7hm posted:Pittsburgh shouldn't give Vegas assets to take MAF. If they can get him to waive they can probably send him somewhere else and get an actual return for him... which hurts Vegas, who have a real path to picking extra goalies for trading. That playoff run has to have boosted his value. Boosted his value to a 3rd from a 4th maybe. Goalies with contracts like that are worth nothing.
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Aphrodite posted:Boosted his value to a 3rd from a 4th maybe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoZhhge4fn8
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Fare thee wll MAF. You were a really great dude. I will always cheer for you.
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ThinkTank posted:Pittsburgh already has $60M committed to next years cap (which will likely be $73M) with 16 players on the roster. That's less than $2M per per roster spot remaining. If they can get Fleury to waive his NMC and be exposed in the expansion draft (or more likely get cap dump traded to Vegas) they're better positioned. They don't have any one major to sign, but they'll likely lose depth players like Bonino and Schultz over the summer. A lot depends on what happens with Maf. If they can get his entire contract off the books that's obviously pretty huge. If they have to eat salary it's a little tighter but still in pretty good shape. Not sure who we bring back. Cullen is probably retiring so we kinda need Bones back. I could see Kunitz coming back as well.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:so what are the potential deals that could go down before the roster freeze? I know we have: Some reporter was saying Kruger to Vegas was basically a done deal I think?
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Jamwad Hilder posted:so what are the potential deals that could go down before the roster freeze? I know we have: Preds Defensemen as well right? I don't think they can protect all 4.
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http://ca.complex.com/sports/2017/06/predators-fan-rips-nbc-analyst-with-nsfw-rant-during-live-stanley-cup-broadcast Keep doin' you, Nashville
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Hey Preds fans, the disallowed goal last night was entirely reviewable!quote:“The video review process shall be permitted to assist the Referees in determining the legitimacy of all potential goals (e.g. to ensure they are “good hockey goals”). For example (but not limited to), pucks that enter the net by going through the net meshing, pucks that enter the net from underneath the net frame, pucks that hit the spectator netting prior to being directed immediately into the goal, pucks that enter the net undetected by the Referee, etc. This would also include situations whereby the Referee stops play or is in the process of stopping the play because he has lost sight of the puck and it is subsequently determined by video review that the puck crosses (or has crossed) the goal line and enters the net as the culmination of a continuous play where the result was unaffected by the whistle (i.e., the timing of the whistle was irrelevant to the puck entering the net at the end of a continuous play.” https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/12/15781926/predators-goal-controversy-quick-whistle-review-game-6-stanley-cup-final-2017
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ThinkTank posted:Hey Preds fans, the disallowed goal last night was entirely reviewable! I highly doubt the refs would have changed the results. e: this is a problem with NHL reviews. They're checking their own work, and they're going to, unless there's obvious video evidence to the contrary, keep what they called.
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Yeah they'd just determine that even though the Penguins had no chance at stopping that puck the whistle made them stop playing.
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iospace posted:I highly doubt the refs would have changed the results. the passage there makes it look like it would not be a coaches' challenge review, meaning it would go to toronto and they would make a ruling on it, rather than the officials on the ice
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^^^ It's at the NHL's discretion. It's not a challengeable call. iospace posted:I highly doubt the refs would have changed the results. More likely the refs had no idea that was an option. Calgary had a goal waved off due to a quick whistle then awarded upon review earlier in the year.
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"Anything can happen"
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Citizen Tayne posted:The Pittsburgh Penguins have won the Stanley Cup.
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ThinkTank posted:^^^ So wouldn't that mean that their situation room could have called in to overrule the call on the ice here? I mean, this series there was already a review conducted by Toronto over a potential goal while play continued, until they determined it was a good goal and stopped play to make it official - presumably the on-ice officials didn't ask for that one either but it was reviewed nonetheless.
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It's probably one the refs have to initiate.
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The non goal call was heinous but it did result in the Preds getting 5 powerplays including a 5 on 3 (no way that Daley call happens in a normal game), and also Hagelin had a damned good chance to score on the wraparound and Rinne grabbed him and that definitely could/should have been a penalty as well. It does say something though when the refs make a call so bad that it basically causes them to stop calling things on one team completely in an effort to make up for it.
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It's just an unfortunate situation. Everyone, Pens fans included, knows that should have been a goal. But at the same time, you can't gift Nashville a goal 40 minutes later, because the Pens are going to play that whole game differently if they are down by 1. There is no right answer once you get the call wrong. If you don't think every player feels it too, then you've never something similar happen to you. It doesn't feel good, even in a meaningless rec league championship game. You want to win the right way. Yeah, you'll take the W, but there really is an * next to this one.
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There is no goddamn asterisk this game was reffed exactly how cup final games have been for years
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the other 24 games in the playoffs were already enough of a slog that i doubt the guys who actually won the cup will feel too broken up over a bad call in the 25th one
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