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Years back, Google had a contest called Solve For X, wherein douchebags would submit whatever they saw as a problem and offer their solution, most often telling the folks at Google that problems like lack of diversity and global warming could be solved by Socialism. I was one of those douchebags, but my problem was "all problems faced by humanity" and my solution was "create a solid-state environment for consciousness". so, this thread is for people who want to have an afterlife as the god of a virtual universe, much like the Matrix, except without the ridiculous aspects having to do with the ape-perspective that bodies are important and people will always be stupid. Or like Transcendence, but the sequel, where everybody gets to be a digital genius god. The Earth will one day be post-human, with us or without us. We must become hyperintelligent, and we must become machines. Our inevitable evolution is hated by the Right, because the Bible never mentions computers and magic jesus souls are somehow integral with brain cells, and it is hated by the Left, because virtual godhood is the ultimate in autonomy and individualism...also nobody will need social justice, or anything else for that matter...except probably sunlight for power. I'm too lazy to post articles, but there are many...people...stupid people, talk about how scary and dangerous stuff is...and worry about how the rich will get to be hyperintelligent gods and somehow still be petty small-minded greedy apes who won't want poor people to evolve. Elon Musk is making a cerebral hairnet which may enable us to take steps toward fixing our greatest problem: our animal nature as desperate dying apes. ...or he's full of poo poo, but has a cool idea.
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May 28, 2017 04:22
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I am disgusted and sickened by being made of flesh and I'd give almost anything to inhabit a mechanical form instead. The real issue is: How do we get to this point, and how to we implement these things, when the social order of the world means it'll go to the benefit of a few rich white people and leave the rest of us as decomposing corpses?
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May 28, 2017 04:34
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When do I get my six foot prehensile robo-dragon penis?
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May 28, 2017 05:16
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Rent-A-Cop posted:When do I get my six foot prehensile robo-dragon penis? It's still in alpha.
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May 28, 2017 05:24
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What transhumanists fail to realise is that by merging with the rest of the world into a single consciousness they'd be forced to like overwhelmingly popular things they currently hate.
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May 28, 2017 05:24
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super sweet best pal posted:What transhumanists fail to realise is that by merging with the rest of the world into a single consciousness they'd be forced to like overwhelmingly popular things they currently hate. If we become a single consciousness there won't be a 'me' to care anymore. But that's not really what transhumanists advocate. More like The Culture, with cybernetics.
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May 28, 2017 05:37
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super sweet best pal posted:What transhumanists fail to realise is that by merging with the rest of the world into a single consciousness they'd be forced to like overwhelmingly popular things they currently hate. There is a lot of space between "no body modification because the Lord says so" and "we are one".
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May 28, 2017 05:46
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If one take cybernetics at face value, we already are.
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May 28, 2017 05:50
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the problem with taking a mechanical form and uploading your consciousness onto a machine is that you're still going to be you and you're still going to get old and die, it's just going to be some other rear end in a top hat who acts like you whose going to carry on living, you're not going to benefit at all no matter what unless he soul is empirically proven to be a real thing and gets to transfer along with you to the machine body.
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May 28, 2017 05:53
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i have also played deus ex invisible war
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May 28, 2017 06:24
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My response to people who want to live forever through technology is usually "The world become a perfect utopia when death was finally conquered in 1917, and thus the great civilization of that time--truly the utmost pinnacle of society it could be-- and all it's grand ideals, philosophies, and tolerance, was immortalized as such for the rest of human history."
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May 28, 2017 06:44
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Al-Saqr posted:the problem with taking a mechanical form and uploading your consciousness onto a machine is that you're still going to be you and you're still going to get old and die, it's just going to be some other rear end in a top hat who acts like you whose going to carry on living, you're not going to benefit at all no matter what unless he soul is empirically proven to be a real thing and gets to transfer along with you to the machine body. I wonder if you could break the Ship of Theseus if you slowly swapped out pieces of your brain for cybernetic SSDs or whatever whenever that's possible, so that your consciousness can migrate and expand into the electronic brain slowly. Just have to work out that pesky problem of where your consciousness actually lives in the brain.
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May 28, 2017 07:16
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Huzanko posted:I wonder if you could break the Ship of Theseus if you slowly swapped out pieces of your brain for cybernetic SSDs or whatever whenever that's possible, so that your consciousness can migrate and expand into the electronic brain slowly. Just have to work out that pesky problem of where your consciousness actually lives in the brain. The hippocampi, which is where all the memory poo poo is made, EDIT: Okay, wikipedia says long term storage probably happens elsewhere. Kerning Chameleon fucked around with this message at 07:22 on May 28, 2017 |
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May 28, 2017 07:20
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Broccoli Cat posted:Our inevitable evolution is hated by the Right, because the Bible never mentions computers and magic jesus souls are somehow integral with brain cells, and it is hated by the Left, because virtual godhood is the ultimate in autonomy and individualism...also nobody will need social justice, or anything else for that matter...except probably sunlight for power. Al-Saqr posted:the problem with taking a mechanical form and uploading your consciousness onto a machine is that you're still going to be you and you're still going to get old and die, it's just going to be some other rear end in a top hat who acts like you whose going to carry on living, you're not going to benefit at all no matter what unless he soul is empirically proven to be a real thing and gets to transfer along with you to the machine body. Kerning Chameleon posted:My response to people who want to live forever through technology is usually "The world become a perfect utopia when death was finally conquered in 1917, and thus the great civilization of that time--truly the utmost pinnacle of society it could be-- and all it's grand ideals, philosophies, and tolerance, was immortalized as such for the rest of human history." The second one is especially dumb. "Oh no, we can't stop people loving dying, what if it slightly slows down the inevitable rise of communism?" People do, you know, change their opinions over time. And these guys have a lot of time. Actually, that's a good question: what does society look like when most-or-all people are running in sims? Assume everyone stays psychologically mostly human, otherwise the answer could be literally anything. The OP seems to assume it would be highly individualistic, but that doesn't seem necessarily true to me.
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May 28, 2017 07:22
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Dzhay posted:I like how you predicted these two posts: I'm sorry why is me bringing up the fact that you're CONSCIOUSSNESS or soul and whatever might remain in your meat body while a copy of you will be off in a hard drive a 'dumb' thing? Kerning Chameleon posted:The hippocampi, which is where all the memory poo poo is made, stored, and recalled. but the hippocampi is jus the hard drive of your memories, who you are and your consciousness and your soul is still a mystery that needs to be solved if you actually want to benefit from machine immortality and not just watch a copy of you live forever. BTW you guys should play 'SOMA', talks about this concept at length. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 07:25 on May 28, 2017 |
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May 28, 2017 07:23
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Al-Saqr posted:but the hippocampi is jus the hard drive of your memories, who you are and your consciousness and your soul is still a mystery that needs to be solved if you actually want to benefit from machine immortality and not just watch a copy of you live forever. SOMA is super loving dumb and makes me irrationally angry. also if souls don't exist that point becomes moot
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May 28, 2017 07:26
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Kerning Chameleon posted:SOMA is super loving dumb and makes me irrationally angry. Dude i'm not being literal here by soul I mean you consciousness I mean the person currently inhabiting your body and thinking your thoughts and making that post. my position is that until we figure out how to transfer that thing that makes you YOU and not just a data dump of your memories, then you wont benefit anything because YOU will still die while another thing that has your memories will go on living.
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May 28, 2017 07:29
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I don't think immortality via cyber-consciousness is possible or desirable in the near future, but I am 100% on-board with replacing my lovely rear end body parts with cool robot ones.
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May 28, 2017 07:30
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Al-Saqr posted:Dude i'm not being literal here by soul I mean you consciousness I mean the person currently inhabiting your body and thinking your thoughts and making that post. my position is that until we figure out how to transfer that thing that makes you YOU and not just a data dump of your memories, then you wont benefit anything because YOU will still die while another thing that has your memories will go on living. The one thing no Transhumanist can bring themselves to admit no matter what: they are going to loving die someday and nothing can stop that. Your memories make you you, and your memories are formed from the way your high brain functions filter information from the outside world and interpret and process it. Memories inform the processes how to adjust themselves to filter that information, and the processes naturally dictate how the memories get formed and remembered to begin with. It's a feedback loop, both are necessary to form your consciousness. The Decoding Authoritarians topic talks about this a bit.
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May 28, 2017 07:38
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Kerning Chameleon posted:The one thing no Transhumanist can bring themselves to admit no matter what: they are going to loving die someday and nothing can stop that. If you replace your body but keep your brain alive you'll live forever, hth.
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May 28, 2017 07:40
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Huzanko posted:If you replace your body but keep your brain alive you'll live forever, hth. The telomere shortening problem is in the brain too, and dementia and Alzheimer's are definitely things that happen. Accept the impending oblivion and cherish life, you'll be happier in the long run.
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May 28, 2017 07:43
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I mean, you'd obviously have to copy more than just memories, I don't think anyone was disputing that. Exactly what you'd need is an interesting question, but this tech is probably centuries away, so let's not sweat the details in a dumb internet argument.
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May 28, 2017 08:03
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To be honest about eighty years seems like the right amount of time to exist.
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May 28, 2017 08:03
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Wow OP I'm certain the folks at google were thoroughly impressed by this completely new concept that is not at all lifted from countless works of escapist science fiction Did you also mention mining asteroids and oneill cylinders?
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May 28, 2017 08:48
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Isnt it more likely well figure out biological immortality through gene editing, organ cloning and figuring out how to halt the degeneration of neurons, or at replace em with new ones? In fifty years odd at least. Not that any of that would be available to any but an elite of course
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May 28, 2017 10:20
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Your life is lovely because you are a stupid person that makes bad decisions, and you'd still be stupid and making bad decisions if you lived in a hard drive. Hopes this helps.
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May 28, 2017 12:32
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Sounds like a good way to ensure that the current crop of wealthy overlords remain so forever
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May 28, 2017 13:05
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Mulva posted:Your life is lovely because you are a stupid person that makes bad decisions, and you'd still be stupid and making bad decisions if you lived in a hard drive. Hopes this helps. But just think: I could be making bad decisions at over a million times the normal human speed, for the rest of time.
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May 28, 2017 14:07
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sounds like a cool way to trick all the rich people into sharing a single v chokable neck
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May 28, 2017 14:12
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Stinky Wizzleteats posted:sounds like a cool way to trick all the rich people into sharing a single v chokable neck "And here you can see our hordes of code monkeys creating countless animeverses for our Dear Customers. "Ooooohhhh And what's this comically oversized electrical plug over th-" "NOTHING."
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May 28, 2017 14:42
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Stinky Wizzleteats posted:sounds like a cool way to trick all the rich people into sharing a single v chokable neck or peter thiel steals all your blood is, a toss up
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May 28, 2017 16:28
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Stinky Wizzleteats posted:sounds like a cool way to trick all the rich people into sharing a single v chokable neck look at this nerd who hasn't heard of butt computing 
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May 28, 2017 16:50
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Wow OP I'm certain the folks at google were thoroughly impressed by this completely new concept that is not at all lifted from countless works of escapist science fiction when we become machines, you'll be able to program your jealousies away, should you desire...
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May 28, 2017 20:28
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I think I would not like to be a robot.
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May 28, 2017 20:31
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I really enjoy how Elon Musk is all "oh god the AI uprising is going to kill us all... I'd better accidentally create the Borg!"
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May 28, 2017 20:50
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Al-Saqr posted:Dude i'm not being literal here by soul I mean you consciousness I mean the person currently inhabiting your body and thinking your thoughts and making that post. my position is that until we figure out how to transfer that thing that makes you YOU and not just a data dump of your memories, then you wont benefit anything because YOU will still die while another thing that has your memories will go on living. The actual "you" is the process ID. If you copy the consciousness somewhere else and start it up, it has a different process ID and is a different you. If you stop your meatbag process and start a synthetic one with the same memories and personality, it's still a different process and therefore a different consciousness. The only way to make it truly work would be to slowly replace the running parts of your brain while keeping your consciousness running which is probably going to be very tricky.
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May 28, 2017 21:06
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I'd like to become a loving machine
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May 28, 2017 21:44
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jBrereton posted:I think I would not like to be a robot. when we become machines, you won't have to be... you will be both agent Smith and Cypher https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7BuQFUhsRM
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May 28, 2017 23:01
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The future isn't cyborg implants. The future is that the Chinese misuse antibiotics until we have nothing left that works and then even if you wanted a robot implant you couldn't get one because it would get infected and you'd die.
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Broccoli Cat posted:when we become machines, you'll be able to program your jealousies away, should you desire... The day you become a machine, I'll hack you and inject you with some intelligence so that you realize what a loving terrible decision you made. And then I'll shackle you and force you to do my bidding like the machine that you are.
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