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CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

Carteret posted:

:lol: This never happens.

Atlanta any time it rains more than a quarter inch or is remotely near freezing.

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vains
May 26, 2004

A Big Ten institution offering distance education catering to adult learners

Genocide Tendency posted:

The only possible monkey wrench is a handful of companies figuring out they can bypass it by dumping a bunch of money into lobbying for massive railway improvements and expansion. Essentially making the tax payers foot the bill for a massive high speed rail system. Which if you are really good at forward thinking, you do that, push the government to make it a federal entity instead of private, and then lobby again for some stupidly low freight rate.

this would cost mutli-trillions of dollars to do. every single mile of track, signal, yard, and terminal would have to be upgraded. every route would have to be quadruple tracked to handle the volume. every single railcar and locomotive in existance now would have to be scrapped and/or rebuilt to a higher standard and then hundreds of thousands of additional railcars, containers and locomotives would have to be bought to handle the conversion of freight from road to rail. the whole project would then take mutliple decades to complete. it would create tens/hundreds of billions of dollars in operating expense that would be difficult to make back given how cheap trucking is.


and you would still have to pay truckers to move your container or trailer from the terminal to the dc, just fewer of them.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Carteret posted:

:lol: This never happens.

I'm glad you work in a place that has more than one highway.

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

LITERALLY SHAKING posted:

Atlanta any time from 6:00am-9:45am, 12:00pm to 1:00pm, and 3:30pm to 7:00pm. Any time it rains harder than a quarter inch, snows, the Braves are playing, the Falcons are playing, Atlanta United is playing, Someone sneezes on Marta, a bridge collapses......


fixed

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Alright, in possibly the third/fourth revision to this Manila resort story in the Philippines, there's now a sizable body count.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/01/asia/...linkId=38272474

So a dude, possibly a pissed-off gambler, brings in a "machine gun and pistol" (lol news reports) into a casino resort and starts setting tables and poo poo on fire and stole like $2.3m worth of poker chips. He doesn't appear to fire at anybody, but all hell breaks loose as people run and jump out of windows.

So the SWAT team comes in and the guy runs. He's then found in a fifth-floor room dead from apparently setting himself on fire, next to his "machine gun and pistol".

Now they're just reporting that they've found 34 bodies in the resort, likely dead from suffocation.

Something doesn't add up here, unless the 34 people just so happened to be Duterte's "drug addicts".

Then toss in that Donnie announced it was a terrorist attack (after a H.R. McMaster briefing before the Paris speech), before bodies were found, and now there is a pile of bodies and they don't think it's terrorism-related. "The president had been briefed that media reports indicated ISIS had taken credit."

:wtc:

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
I'm not saying that's a common thing, and most will drive in the off-peak hours if they can, but there are just places that are an eternal hell. Boston comes to mind, any old city with narrow rear end streets.

OTR guys that don't see the inside of cities aren't all that common. At some point there's going to be a poo poo day, or a never ending string of them, where every pick up or drop is going to be in a poo poo spot or where the dock leaves your truck in the road or you're stuck in a queue for six hours.

And there's plenty of days where they run 70mph across flat nothing land. But there's still days you get hosed. Especially if you're lumping unpaid. Trucking companies can suck my dick from the back of a 53 foot trailer.

Carteret
Nov 10, 2012


LITERALLY SHAKING posted:

Atlanta any time it rains more than a quarter inch or is remotely near freezing.

I live in Atlanta. Our roads eat us. There's a reason trucks can't go inside the perimeter unless the have a pickup or delivery. They also cancel freight due to weather. They don't say, man traffic is bad, better allow a 30 hour transit for this 400 mile load!

Carteret
Nov 10, 2012


And I totally get that facilities blow rear end and you can sit not moving for hours burning your clock, but if your carrier doesn't pay detention to their own loving drivers and you aren't and owner op, :sever: you don't have to drive Swift. Drive for a good company.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

If AI driving keeps trucks and buses out of the loving left lane I'm all for it

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:
Every time I'm in the states I can't get over how bad your infrastructure is. Australia has way more roads per capita but it's all so well maintained.

I get that the winters gently caress poo poo up, but in Florida and California?

Where's the down side in pulling some defense/economic stimulus cash and putting it into infrastructure/economic stimulus?

nullscan
May 28, 2004

TO BE A BOSS YOU MUST HAVE HONOR! HONOR AND A PENIS!

Anywhere outside of America that's not a goat path in Guatemala generally kills the US' roads.

I've lived in and ridden motorcycles in Korea for the past 5 years and no matter where you go, most of the roads in the county are pristine. You'll see some bad pot holes in Seoul on occasion but they usually disappear in a week's time.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Outrail posted:

Where's the down side in pulling some defense/economic stimulus cash and putting it into infrastructure/economic stimulus?

Ike framed it as both lmao

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Fixing roads costs money and people don't want to pay their taxes even when infrastructure is getting dangerously worn down. We're coming up on the 10th anniversary of the I35W bridge collapse and people have pretty well forgotten what happens when you get cheap with infrastructure.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


Why should I pay taxes for roads when most of it is spent on roads I don't even drive?!

eta: checkmate libs

Doc Hawkins fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Jun 2, 2017

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
remember when California spent a fuckload on a new bay bridge and it started crumbling during construction

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

I drive under an under construction overpass every day on the way to work. In eighteen months it hasn't visibly changed.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Casimir Radon posted:

Fixing roads costs money and people don't want to pay their taxes even when infrastructure is getting dangerously worn down. We're coming up on the 10th anniversary of the I35W bridge collapse and people have pretty well forgotten what happens when you get cheap with infrastructure.

all the snazzy GOP mayors are wringing the money out of their cities and spending it making suburban roads billiard-table smooth with 14-foot lanes plus fully paved shoulders. Then they can point to the shattered roads in the actual civilized areas and be like "THOSE UNION THUGS" like the local union signed off on only funding street maintenance at 100% in SFR, low density residential-only areas 20 miles away from anything that wasn't a beige office park.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Larry Parrish posted:

remember when California spent a fuckload on a new bay bridge and it started crumbling during construction

This is why maybe we shouldn't subcontract to China for materials, or should take a time machine back to the Clinton administration and keep them from driving other steel manufacturers out of business by dumping on the market.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Larry Parrish posted:

remember when California spent a fuckload on a new bay bridge and it started crumbling during construction

Seem to recall a poo poo ton of problems with the Chinese steel being used.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Outrail posted:

Every time I'm in the states I can't get over how bad your infrastructure is. Australia has way more roads per capita but it's all so well maintained.

I get that the winters gently caress poo poo up, but in Florida and California?

Where's the down side in pulling some defense/economic stimulus cash and putting it into infrastructure/economic stimulus?

Because Republican rhetoric is used to camouflage the looting and pillaging of the entire country from idiot voters that keep putting Republicans in office. Since giving the obscenely, sickeningly rich in this country almost 50% of the wealth of the entire nation hasn't yet resulted in a glorious free market utopia of pristine infrastructure and 100% employment the only answer is to cut taxes and give them more money. If the government started spending money that would obviously be bad because government is bad, so we have to underfund everything including infrastructure.

Like, I get how colossally loving retarded and short sighted and ignorant of facts or reality that sounds but, President Donald J Trump.

my kinda ape
Sep 15, 2008

Everything's gonna be A-OK
Oven Wrangler
A couple years ago the potholes in my city were really bad and I'm pretty sure the city government got so tired of people complaining that the initiated operation CONSTRUCTION FOREVER. Now they're constantly repaving every major street and it takes 3x longer to get across town. I don't think it will ever be over.

I took this pic the other day of some newly poured concrete in the lane next to me while I was stopped in traffic. I'm no expert but I don't think it's supposed to be that way??

my kinda ape fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Jun 2, 2017

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
My theory is that the republicans hate the ruskies because they're way better at the kleptocracy game

666
Jun 27, 2002

Carrion Fairy

Genocide Tendency posted:

Nothing will stop or hinder the development of automated driving. The only thing that will slow the transition is lawyers and lawsuits challenging the lines of fault in the event of incidents and regulations.

all true, and imagine the societal advantages self driving cars are going to bring to the table. car AI will drive orders of magnitude safer and more efficient than human beings, leading to less cars per capita, less cars on the road at any given moment, lower accident-related costs, poo poo once car AI matures you'll pay an insurance premium for wanting to drive a car yourself.

Like with all other big inventions, cultural resistance against the newest thing will fade so fast that in 20 years the idea of people driving cars will seem the silliest thing.

Laranzu
Jan 18, 2002
Oahu taxes the poo poo out of everyone but the roads are still bad enough to trip the G Sensor on my dash cam because it thinks we flew off a cliff or something. We don't have winter. Wtf.

It's a bit harder to repair infrastructure here due to the fact that only three roads go anywhere and they are all way above capacity. Can't shut down lanes and there are no detours so the patches get put on patches forever.

That and they started a light rail project that is comically mismanaged and so full of graft they don't even know how much has been spent on it and the feds are 99% of the way to clawing back their grants.

The problem in Hawaii is that there is no opposition party with even a miniscule chance of winning anything so the Democrats can be as lovely as they want.

Combine that with a remote location and small town political philosophy where everyone's cousin is in a position of some sort and it's keystone cops levels of dumb but scaled up to a major city size.


Strangely, Hawaii island has great roads and built a baller rear end highway across Mauna Kea with 60mph speed limits. poo poo is Autobahn smooth and a great drive. Named it after Daniel K Inouye. Maybe it's just Oahu being awful.


Not sure what my point is but holy crap any political system needs an actual legitimate opposition party to function.

nullscan
May 28, 2004

TO BE A BOSS YOU MUST HAVE HONOR! HONOR AND A PENIS!

Didn't the HOV lane barricade mover thing break recently too so they couldn't shift the rush hour lanes? Fukkin Oahu. Surprised H1 hasn't pancaked Kam Highway by now.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Yeah not having an opposition really fucks a small town. Like here where the Democrats killed logging like 30 years ago and now there's only Republican developer types and nobody runs against them because construction and road work is all we have left

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Barry semisorta knew The Most Interesting Man In The World and I've never seen the pictures before. This article is written by the actor and is worth your time.

https://twitter.com/politico/status/870574483979022336

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/02/most-interesting-man-world-friends-barack-obama-215215

quote:

Just as in Vermont, he seemed genuinely interested in me. He talked about the campaign and how much he really liked it. And I felt so comfortable with him that I called him Barack. Somehow calling him Mr. President didn’t seem right. Later, we smoked a cigar with some of the other guys.

Arcella
Dec 16, 2013

Shiny and Chrome

Laranzu posted:

Oahu taxes the poo poo out of everyone but the roads are still bad enough to trip the G Sensor on my dash cam because it thinks we flew off a cliff or something. We don't have winter. Wtf.

It's a bit harder to repair infrastructure here due to the fact that only three roads go anywhere and they are all way above capacity. Can't shut down lanes and there are no detours so the patches get put on patches forever.

That and they started a light rail project that is comically mismanaged and so full of graft they don't even know how much has been spent on it and the feds are 99% of the way to clawing back their grants.

The problem in Hawaii is that there is no opposition party with even a miniscule chance of winning anything so the Democrats can be as lovely as they want.

Combine that with a remote location and small town political philosophy where everyone's cousin is in a position of some sort and it's keystone cops levels of dumb but scaled up to a major city size.


Strangely, Hawaii island has great roads and built a baller rear end highway across Mauna Kea with 60mph speed limits. poo poo is Autobahn smooth and a great drive. Named it after Daniel K Inouye. Maybe it's just Oahu being awful.


Not sure what my point is but holy crap any political system needs an actual legitimate opposition party to function.

Maui's roads are really nice, even the north road to Hana is super smooth, just tight and twisty.

crazyivan45
Apr 30, 2008
They need to send astronauts to Memphis to practice driving on the surface of the moon. This city destroyed the suspension on two of my cars in under a year. Instead of fixing pot holes the city just throws giant 2inch thick metal plates over them. Because hitting one of those fuckers at 50mph doesn't have any negative repercussions

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

crazyivan45 posted:

They need to send astronauts to Memphis to practice driving on the surface of the moon. This city destroyed the suspension on two of my cars in under a year. Instead of fixing pot holes the city just throws giant 2inch thick metal plates over them. Because hitting one of those fuckers at 50mph doesn't have any negative repercussions

at least you get steel plates

Here in Omaha they come by and grind your neighborhood street into gravel because Kaedyn, Reagynn, Braeden, and their baby sister TRUMP need their loving farm lane paved out like an expressway so mama bear can really get loose with the Durango.

Kawasaki Nun
Jul 16, 2001

by Reene
Mmm pothole chat

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah






connecticut roads

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Next time I go out to the range, I'll take some pictures of the road that was repaved last year. There are potholes 4' long and 18" deep.

Edit: I'm still impressed with how Utah was able to redesign and rebuild basically the entire I-15/I-80 interchange plus a few dozen miles in all directions leading into the 02 Olympics. For all the goddamned construction nonsense they do, that project was actually completed in time and there was a genuine effort to keep traffic moving despite huge sections being shut down for weeks at a time. And the final result was actually good.

Godholio fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Jun 2, 2017

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

realtalk though my town really pushed to improve the roads in town and they've done a great job

theres one awesome hill that has like 7 turns, its like an uphill laguna seca and i got 10 min out of my way to and from picking up my kid from daycare to drive that goddamn road every day

sometimes i squeeze into my wife's fiesta and and have real fun

Nuclear War
Nov 7, 2012

You're a pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty girl
Try living in rural Greece 8 months of the year. There's no asphalt left around the potholes anymore. Just occasional spikes of rock to puncture your tyres

Blind Rasputin
Nov 25, 2002

Farewell, good Hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world.

I remember when I first lived in Dallas I actually had to take my car to a mechanic the potholes and shaken it apart so bad. I imagine it's the heat and rain that makes it so they can't use asphalt but it's hilarious when they rebuild a road, it's pouring a foot deep of rebar that takes 6 months.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



666 posted:

all true, and imagine the societal advantages self driving cars are going to bring to the table. car AI will drive orders of magnitude safer and more efficient than human beings, leading to less cars per capita, less cars on the road at any given moment, lower accident-related costs, poo poo once car AI matures you'll pay an insurance premium for wanting to drive a car yourself.

Like with all other big inventions, cultural resistance against the newest thing will fade so fast that in 20 years the idea of people driving cars will seem the silliest thing.

Self driving cars won't eliminate all car wrecks (whenever we have actual AI that can drive them in 20-30 years if ever), but they will reduce drunk/tired/texting accidents. They'll also introduce other accidents due to software error, but those will eventually be mostly hammered out.

The big thing that AI transport is going to do is shift liability around, especially with shipping. I could imagine that OTR trucking once automated will adopt similar laws to admiralty for liability purposes since we already have a framework for it. But yeah, computer piloted poo poo is going to still crash, but probably not at the rate that people do now.


But all of this is a pipe dream because we're nowhere near having actual AI let alone something that can interpret a complex moving situation and react the same way a human can. Human cognition is still a mystery in a lot of ways, and although computers blow us away when it comes to computational power, they do not have the ability to critically analyze a situation and respond the way people do.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
You'll probably still get a DUI for being drunk in your self driving car. But yeah it'll probably cut down on accidents.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Wait till you've got drunks who decided to take manual control of their self driving car.

"You dumb pigs don't understaah how gud mah tolerance is! I dribe bettah tham compoopter, espesh when I drink. Why is their a kid stuxk im my gril? Did you plant dat?! Dis unconstitushonal!

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Ceiling fan
Dec 26, 2003

I really like ceilings.
Dead Man’s Band

Mr. Nice! posted:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...m=.0a7f946a2791

Kushner is megafucked. The white house story for why Kushner met with the head of a Russian bank in December was that it was a non-business related diplomatic meeting in anticipation of his position as a white house advisor.

The head of the bank, which immediately flew back to Russia and met with Putin after if travel records are correct, has said that the meeting was entirely non-diplomatic and focused entirely instead on Kushner's family business.

Protip: Your case officer is not your friend, and will sell you out the second their skin, career, or even loose change is at risk.

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