Don Dongington posted:

Channel 9 Perth doubling down on Poor Punching today:



It's a good job Perth people are socially conscious and know better than to buy this tired bullshit - but wait better check the comments,



Well holy poo poo, they actually were.

Hot drat.

Don Dongington posted:

Thanks Mr Dandrews.

Be interesting to see if Mr Tough On Crime McGowan follows suit, given that half the state, when greeted with the recent report that meth use appears to be dropping based on waste water testing, responded with 'no it isn't! I think that actually included a few cops on talkback (but no evidence was presented to support this counterclaim of course).

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One of the Liberal party’s largest donors, Chinese mining magnate Sally Zou, previously set up a company called “Julie Bishop Glorious Foundation” which the foreign minister says she has never heard of.

The enigmatic Ms Zou, who is also a large financial supporter of Port Adelaide Football Club, also set a company last month called Australian Earthly Paradise.

That company’s principal place of business is 19 Tallisker Rd, Deep Creek — the address of a pristine 1.5km stretch of coastal property currently on the market for $2.5 million, which is not owned by Ms Zou.

It is understood she might be intending to buy the property. Julie Bishop Glorious Foundation Pty Ltd was set up in April last year, and changed its name to Glorious Foundation just nine days later.

A spokeswoman for the minister said the existence of the company was news to her.

“The foreign minister has met Ms Zou from time to time at various functions. The minister was not aware of any foundation established using her name, nor has she been approached by Ms Zou for any government assistance.’’

G-Spot Run posted:

What is MTGOW? I tried googling it but I'm not giving hits to redpill blogs/youtubes and couldn't see an urban dictionary or anything

Bogan King posted:

https://twitter.com/David_Speers/status/874869983041527808

Anidav posted:

SUNCORP changed their logo into an rear end in a top hat

Hobo Erotica posted:

Thanks for the link. Did you read through to the examples though?

This is her "victim blaming":

"Let me be clear: sexual assault is never the fault of the victim. Neither is being hit by a drunk driver. The sole person to blame for such crimes is the perpetrator. But teaching girls how to reduce their risk of sexual assault is not the same thing as victim blaming. It’s not. And we must stop confusing the two."

Seems reasonable?

This is her being "deeply whorephobic":

"If you are an adult woman who is not suffering from a mental illness, addiction or sexual, physical or emotional abuse, who has not been trafficked or exploited or co-erced into sexual slavery and who is CHOOSING of her own free will to sell sex?
I respect that. I’m cool with that. I recently listened to a fascinating podcast with a sex worker whose clients have disabilities. We’ll be publishing a story about her soon. I’m certainly not interested in demonising sex workers – I’d never do that.

But no, that doesn’t mean I see your career choice as something I’d want my daughter to aspire to. Or my sons.... Accepting the free choices made by other women does not mean you have to aspire to them or advocate them."

Again, we're hating her for this? I mean I can see where it's coming from here at least, because yes, there is an implication that there is something wrong with sex work, and our society could arguably do with out that stigma. But far out, if you've got to drill that far down to someone saying that she'd rather her kids didn't aspire to be a sex worker to call her a poo poo person then gently caress. Find me a majority of women who say they want their kids to be sex workers and I'd question their honesty.

As for the payment thing, the Mumbrella article lays it out pretty clearly. The used to accept unpaid voluntary submissions, which most publications do, now they pay $50, and have a large paid staff contributing most of the content. Not seeing a huge deal. I'm not going to bat too hard for this one but it's still not eliciting much outrage from me.

It's like if you don't repeat the collective mantras letter for letter, if you have any personal nuance, you're hounded out of town. It doesn't seem like a constructive discourse.

And so the current example, where she introduces an adoring interview with a logistical issue which directly relates to the subject at hand. She revealed that a woman who wrote a book about how fat people experience the world differently and in ways we would not expect, experiences the world differently and in ways we would not expect. The subject was unhappy, she made a mistake, and apologized unreservedly. And everyone pounces on her again, with a visciousness that seems wildly disproportionate.

The article you posted even admitted that the pile on was questionable:

"Allowing other women their honest mistakes and teachable moments is vital to the whole movement advancing and opening up to make space for those diverse women who are often shut out by straight white supremacy. Sometimes calling out is just correcting and moving on.

Yesterday I was unusually vocal on Twitter (a platform I rarely use and don’t totally understand) about the Gay/Freedman incident. Not only did I post about it myself, I joined other threads to express my outrage. As I piled on and on, I felt the gleeful bubbles of drama build inside me. I don’t particularly like Freedman, or Mamamia, so part of me was probably thrilled to have a justifiable reason to lay into her (and the organisation itself).

But how much of my vitriol was a legitimate response to Freedman’s bad behaviour, and how much was an excuse to be mean about a woman I did not like? That question can be an uncomfortable one. I was made more uncomfortable still when I joined a thread on a women writer’s Facebook group dedicated to the incident, which quickly devolved into some thorough Freedman-bashing. Over the past 24 hours, Junkee has deleted a number of abusive Facebook comments under their stories on the incident. Freedman was repeatedly called names like “c*nt”.

I guess that's about as good an explanation as we'll get.

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State Government documents have warned up to 2,500 buildings in New South Wales could be fitted with flammable cladding similar to that which was engulfed in the London Grenfell Tower fire this week.

DancingShade posted:

aka "I'm a retired boomer and only just discovered Tomb Raider and Google image search"

Hobo Erotica posted:

Really? If you think they are lovely, and all you've got is whats described in that junkee article, that's an interesting discussion in itself. A mother can't tell her daughter to take reasonable care not to put herself at extra risk by becoming completely intoxicated, because that's victim blaming? We're that incapable of nuance? That's concerning. And arguably actually dangerous.


Exactly, thank you. That's why I came here, to try and understand where that unpleasantness is coming from, and all that's really been proven is that it is in fact largely baseless. No one has actually backed up any of the accusations.

A lot of it definitely is gendered, but then you get the attacks from places like Pedestrian and Junkee and the rest of the Left. They absolutely would go after a man, and normally if anyone makes any kind of gendered attack they love jumping all over them, which is why this is interesting. I'd hate to think it was as crass as one digital media agency throwing stones at another, but it does look a bit like that. They pick up on some tweets and run with it. Perhaps there are some really strong collective sub-conscious biases going on.

Because even the crime here is questionable and a potentially interesting discussion in itself, but we haven't even had a chance to get there yet. Is saying that the publicist asked how big the lift was really so horrible? "Despicable, Shameful, Humiliating etc"? Roxanne said it was, so that definitely counts for something, but are we happy to let that be the final say? It's not like her size and the effects it has on day to day life were a secret, it's literally what they were there to discuss. Here is what Gay said to This American Life: "... There's another level. I mean, then there's when you're super morbidly obese, where you can't really even find stores that can accommodate you. You don't fit in any public spaces, like movie theaters, public bathrooms, so on and so forth.". So she can say it, and Mia can't. Which is understandable and fair enough, but hardly ground for the backlash she's experienced. Is there something there I'm missing?

Mia is a huge fan who loves Gay, she wasn't putting her down or making fun of her, it wasn't 'lol fat people', it was 'here's something interesting about fat people I learned today which you may not have considered but which perhaps you should'. It was a mistake, but like I said before, I think a part of it was that Roxanne didn't actually know the questions her publicist asked, and was shocked and embarrassed to learn about them. So her initial mortified tweets carried accusations of dishonesty, which further inflamed the issue.

Everyone picks up their swords and leaps to Gay's defense and trips over themselves to show off how appalled and how brutally heart achingly sorry they are, and the pitchforks come out. There are also strong elements of "relative privilege". When you have a big bisexual woman of colour claiming she was upset by something an average sized straight white woman said, everyone just automatically takes the former's side by default. And that's concerning as well. It's not helpful or healthy, for both the left in particular or society in general. It's actually faintly patronising - like Gay is this really weak porcelain doll we failed to shield from this appalling attack, despite being a professional adult who is a published author and respected academic.

Its absolutely important not to Kick Down, but we need to actually look at the "kicks" in question. And Mia looks pretty down at the moment, and the kicks shes getting are a way worse than what she did.


I think really some of it comes from mamamia's history of clickbait-y listicle type journalism. It was annoying fluffy pop, it was new and different, it caught on, filled up a lot of people's feeds, with some stuff which was women's issues and some stuff which was a bit dumb, both of which weren't universally appreciated. And so that has defined her character in the public view, and makes these pile ons ok.

I only listen to the Mamamia Out Loud podcast, which is generally good, thoughtful, progressive, topical weekly discussion. The No Filter podcast can be good if the guest is interesting, and the This Glorious Mess is a good one too. I don't read the website or the facebook, and so if they're a bit stupid or annoying (which glancing at them I can believe), that probably explains some / a lot of the hate. But I don't see that, I just see the podcasts, so the attacks seem egraroius to me.

It might sound silly but I think Mia's is an important voice and we're worse off if we kill it like this.

Brown Paper Bag posted:

Monday's 4 Corners made me feel like watching a doc on JBP's Queensland. Anything on YouTube or elsewhere?

Brown Paper Bag posted:

No I haven't. Is it on YouTube or ABC online? I was hoping there was a JBP 'rise and fall' type documentary out there somewhere.

gay picnic defence posted:

there's been like three whole pages and no one has mentioned mia freedman, what the gently caress happened?

Bogan King posted:

Knorth posted:

Are you saying there's a party that does?

Cartoon posted:

Like I'd drink whiskey :scoff:
Is there some sort of a problem with any of this?

To actual stupidity:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-21/government-may-have-set-itself-up-to-fail-with-this-budget/8636216


The obscene surplus was only achieved by an aggressive and stupid privatisation campaign. To compare it to a household budget: We can now afford to rent for a few years because we sold our house. These clowns are painfully and aggressively stupid. I guess I know where pubbie WoT players come from.

Anidav posted:

Why does Pauline hate Autistic Children?

Synthbuttrange posted:

Save us Mia