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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Quick google search says at least in NSW state parliament they can drink on the job and do. I know at least one MP who is infamous for rocking up to sitting days absolutely shellacked by midday
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Waaaah the Christians are out to get me
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What's that sound? Oh boy, it's the sound of a bunch of internal Greens information you may or may not care about! Lee Rhiannon didn't decide off her own bat to go rogue and vote and campaign against Gonski 2.0. She was directed to by Greens NSW. The NSW party (not branch, the Greens are a federation, not a national party with branches) has been campaigning hard on Gonski and on maintaining the funding agreement signed between the Feds and the states. Our position since 2010 has been "nothing less than Gonski" in any negotiation. Along comes Sarah Hanson-Young who decides she's going to improve her profile and stave off the NXT hounds baying at her door by appearing professional and sitting down with the goddamn Liberals to horsetrade on a funding package which was never going to be better for public schools than Gonski. She did this without a mandate from the membership, against the wishes of the AEU and the Teachers Federation (and the overlap between the Venns of "member of Federation" and "member of Greens NSW" is almost concentric) solely on the advice of a bunch of centrist Canberra think-tanks. Labor were smelling blood over this and were gearing up for a savage campaign on "the Greens did a deal on public school cuts." Members of the party were going nuts lobbying SHY and RDN, we were directing our National Council delegates to kick up a stink, the Education Working Group was on fire, and going as far as having our state Education spokes lobbying over this. TFed were calling on members and supporters to email SHY and RDN. Still, SHY proceeded with the negotiations and refused to rule out voting for it. She was going to bumblefuck the party into losing half of its vote. So we went nuclear, and bound Lee (as we have the power to under the Australian Greens constitution) to vote and campaign against Gonski 2.0, crossing the floor if necessary. Now, the PR are having a cry and trying to pin it on Lee as though it was her decision - although let's be fair, the letter they sent was not actually their complaint, RDN's chief of staff just wanted to have a spray at Lee in national media like she's been doing since she was a NSW MP. Hilariously, though, they've done this at the same time the federal party are begging NSW for more money. So yeah. I make no apologies as a NSW Green who tried to push the party from the brink of a Democrats moment. gently caress SHY, she's been consistently awful on education policy since she wandered into the Senate. Also lol at the idea of replacing Lee with Buckingham. Buckingham is a profoundly stupid alcoholic deadshit whose long-term vision for the Greens is "the Nationals but we don't like coal." I mean it's a valid position if you're an accelerationist who wants to see the Greens die a fiery death so that leftists flock back into Labor.
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Jun 25, 2017 13:38
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Frogfingers posted:Oh good now they can save themselves the bother. Not as involved with VIC but I'm told that Greg Barber is resigning his LC seat for a potential tilt at Brunswick. Ellen Sandell will probably run again in Melbourne. Kathleen Maltzahn is running again in Richmond because the VIC Greens (oh sorry I mean the Australian Greens Victoria) are incapable of learning, and Northcote is up in the air because there's a civil war in Darebin and Alex Bhathal is trying to get a leftie in.
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Jun 25, 2017 14:12
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Lid posted:If you think that's the way this was being seen i have a bridge to sell you. If it was the party itself writ large it was dumb as poo poo to do this, and if the decision by the federal shitshow is to cut ties with NSW straight up it would not be surprising nor viewed by anyone except inside the bubble as a bad thing. Lose half tge vote to Labor over Catholic schools? Pull the loving other one. This was hard ball unionism and ideology to be contrarian for contrarians sake. actually pretty much the only people pushing the Greens to do a deal with the Libs on letting them shred the funding agreements and slash funding were in "the bubble" - fucksticks like national journos and the Grattan Institute. The Turnbull plan is going to lock in below-standard resourcing for almost every public school and also lock in 80% resourcing standard for privates, rather than locking in a flexible funding arrangement based on need. My LGA is going to lose 28 million dollars from our public schools because of this, and the Greens were going to get decimated at the next election if we were seen to be supporting that. Labor was revving the engines on a "greens dealing with the liberals" campaign, which hits us hard, and in this case would hit us especially hard in a core constituency. TAS were adamant they'd lose a state MP over it, QLD were pretty loving concerned too. But hey, you say "hard ball unionism," I say "listening to the people who are actually going to be dealing with the fallout." You're aware TFed/AEU have like 85% density right? And something like a third of the Greens vote, if not more, is from teachers and public servants? Also lol "cut ties with NSW." The Federal party needs NSW far more than we need them. Gonna be fun blocking giving them the extra forty grand they're begging for next state council!
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Jun 25, 2017 15:49
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Lid posted:If what you're saying is true how is it the other 7 were against it too? Your story doesn't add up. It looks like it has Left Renewals fingerprints all over it with a huge ego and grandstanding. Ah yes, Left Renewal certainly has the power to bind an entire working group, two state reference groups and a right-wing state spokesperson over "ego". Are you loving serious? And are you seriously saying the AEU is concerned about funding for Catholic schools? It doesn't cover private teachers, and isn't Labor affiliated. You're an idiot.
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Jun 25, 2017 21:35
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Majestic posted:To address his question though, if, as you portray it, this is just SHY and RDN, then why has every other national green, including generally respected people like Bandt and Ludlum, signed on to the criticism? Even Bandt and Ludlam have bought into the idea that Greens MPs should have the right to negotiate as they see fit rather than be bound by their members. They see Lee doing this as a violation of the principle of the autonomy of Party Room - something I frankly don't give a poo poo about. BBJoey posted:QM what modelling did you guys use to figure out cuts under gonski 2.0? there seems to be a lot of numbers put out by various groups but i'm not sure which ones actually reflect reality. Teachers Federation, in my case. Re: negotiation, there's a difference between participation and negotiation. In NSW, for example, our Party Room move amendments on the floor of Parliament to fix bills - sometimes bills we have no intention of ever voting for. That's different from sitting either side of the table with Tory ministers and signing up to something that, as Open said, we will take the blame for every bad part and the Liberals will take credit for every good part.
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Jun 26, 2017 00:18
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also I should hasten to point out that it is literally in the constitution that NSW MPs can be bound to vote and campaign against decisions of the Party Room should NSW choose to do so, and anyone involved at a deep Federal level in the Greens who didn't know this is either a profound idiot or confecting outrage
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Jun 26, 2017 00:30
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Lid posted:Close Actually yes, the national rules are specifically different for NSW MPs, who exercise no conscience vote but are bound by their state. "but she didn't, nor did you tell the party you had bound her" Except we totally did. I also didn't argue my hands were clean - I said, if you're going to blame someone, blame GNSW, not Lee. Haught posted:I love how apparently the Vic Greens can be considered as one homogeneous bloc by you QM and can be blamed as a whole for a local branch's preselection choices(for a preselection that hasn't even been run yet). Also that Barber "rumour" is based entirely on him winding up the press so congrats someone read The Age. As much as NSW is considered one all the time, yeh. It was a glib throwaway line but I am sorry to have sullied the good name of AGV. And no, I've heard scuttlebutt about Barber from more than just the Age. It wouldn't actually be the silliest move.
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Jun 26, 2017 08:47
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Lid posted:If you're going to argue that you'd best spill. You can't claim that when everything in the public domain says the opposite. http://www.tamarasmith.com.au/gonski_2_0 - GNSW position on Gonski, May 3rd.  GNSW binds Lee against, June 21st.
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Jun 26, 2017 09:25
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Lid posted:Timeline doesnt line up. quote:GNSW position on Gonski, May 3rd fuckin hell m8
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Jun 26, 2017 11:20
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Hobo Erotica posted:Was that QM on 7:30 report? 
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Jun 28, 2017 12:51
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Anidav posted:So the Left Renewal facebook page has gone bonkers and has started claiming that RDN is giving false information to the media. Fran Kelly actively said his office had told RN false information. Whatever else you might think about LR that actually did happen. Supposedly they've retracted because journalists don't reveal sources, but yeah. Also RDN's chief of staff was the biggest sieve in NSW, it's expected behaviour from her.
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