Pendent posted:

I think you mean the perfect amount of time with them

E: Honestly BJ's character ark in the Wyatt timeline would be pretty good justification for him turning into a leftist, given the conversations regarding race with not-Jimi Hendrix

precision posted:

Are any remotely sane people actually making a stink about this game? I thought it was just terrible comment section stuff

Rookersh posted:

Yeah, like. I get that's it's a game and we need to buy into a certain plot.

But at a certain point gently caress it? Like you are telling me all Americans stood by while all the minorities, disabled folk, LGBT, and Jewish peoples were rounded up and murdered? And knew it was happening and let it happen happily because of institutional racism?

Like I get the point they were trying to make, but by making that point America doesn't exist anymore. You can't bring the fighting spirit back to half the country that committed an atrocity that severe. There is no comeback from that kind of action. They were trying to make a statement on institutional racism in America, and how severe it was/is, but went so far with it that you can't really bring that nation back without inherently buying into a video game style plot.

And like we never see any nuance in any of it, or any real divide between Americans or......anything. We see a single guy getting drunk behind a garage in Roswell complaining about how the Nazis stole his country. But that's just not enough to even justify why anybody in this narrative thinks America can or would be willing to start the third World War.

Nothing in this narrative makes me believe there will be any reaction to the events of the end of the game. Like for all Horton says about people sitting there eating their brautwurst happily, or Wyatt says about American values nothing in this game was even remotely positive to the idea of America, or even what America should/could be. The America we saw in New Colossus was an America that'd have witnessed BJ killing Engel on live tv, and instantly went to tell their kids about how the nasty terrorists are hurting our Nazi pals.

It's especially egregious because New Order talked about this kind of stuff. You learn when the Nazis came for England, they fought for every beach, every street, every house. They fought door to door until the Monitor was unleashed on them for their resistance. We learn Poland, France, and Russia had resistance movements that went on for years past WW2 that the Nazis had to slowly but surely crack down on. Yet for America we just welcomed them and that was that.

It's really weird.

Jose Mengelez posted:

The american right really wouldn't enjoy being under the heel of a foreign power though, even the most die hard racist would take umbrage at being forced to learn german and kiss filthy eurotrash rear end on the daily. Its not that the games suggests average american is super happy to be under the nazis it's that they're scared shitless of their gigantic fire-breathing robot dogs and hulking frankenterrors and feel the enemy is untouchable.

Odddzy posted:

Sakurazuka posted:

The cutscenes/story were the best things about TNC

Arcsquad12 posted:

The trouble is that New Colossus's story was written in 2015-2016 before the neofascist wave really started to hit hard in North America, so the game has a different tact regarding american racism than what audiences were led to expect by the marketing. It's a game that simultaneously wants to condemn the horrific nature of Jim Crow segregation and violence against minorities, but also firmly believes that America's fighting spirit will always rise against all tyrants, and the will to fight can come from anyone regardless of race, gender or ethnicity. That in itself isn't a bad setup for a story, but it's one that would have been a lot more resonant before real life decided that 2016-onwards would be a horrific nightmare where good things don't happen.

The marketing for TNC was awesome, but it was selling a premise that the game's actual story wasn't written for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnJBoHVdihg

This is the best video I've watched trying to dissect what TNC was going for.

Humerus posted:

The third Machinegames entry could still pull out a wild time travel/alt dimension thing to reconcile not just pre-TNO games but also the two timelines from TNO.

Basically Enter the Spider-verse but with 5 BJs and a hell of a lot of dead nazis

McSpanky posted:

I'm imagining the alt-right twitter rage at a sequence where you can drive through a Klan parade and I weep for the lost opportunity.

Pathos posted:

Yeah, I’m praying Wolf 3 is a return to form. Wolf 2 was just a massive step down from TNO and Old Blood. It wasn’t terrible but it felt like a pretty significant decrease. I’m not entirely sure what happened - I can barely remember most of the levels whereas levels in TNO are still pretty clear in my mind despite not having played since it came out.

Though with Doom Eternal looking like it’s going to be loving fantastic maybe the old FPS remake itch will be scratched enough

poisonpill posted:

Half health, no damage indicator, stealth impossible, and enemy AI that intentionally flanked you to the side offscreen. What were they thinking??