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Who were those people convinced Conor was good for the sport and why did they think that?
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Jun 13, 2017 05:48
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Detroit_Dogg posted:He's one of the best fighters around and is a promotional machine At the small cost of the legitimacy of the lightweight division and actual lightweight title fights. Those two things are of immense benefit to Conor. I'm asking about the benefit to the sport. Because PPV buys outside of him and Ronda are down and the title picture in half the divisions is either hosed or dire.
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Jun 13, 2017 10:15
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CarlCX posted:From the perspective of actual sport and competition there's absolutely none; when you think of it more as the combat sports equivalent of King Kong vs Godzilla, that's where the intrigue is. It doesn't matter that the fight doesn't make any goddamn sense, people are just jazzed by the idea of two megastars fighting. A reminder that traditionally, Godzilla is a couple hundred feet tall, while King Kong is 25. I guess it is a pretty apt metaphor. MourningView posted:He gets tons of people to pay money to watch it which I think is maybe the goal?? He gets tons of people to watch him. They don't care about the rest of the sport. That's fine, there's no onus on them to do so, but it's hard to see the upside of heaps of people showing up to watch one fighter who shows no signs of longevity and seems to work to actively undermine everyone's perceptions of fighters who aren't him. Gay Horney posted:Except Conor is way bigger than Floyd and Floyd is like fifty and hasn't fought for a couple years. So there's a little more to this than myself and others are pretending. I will watch it and split the price of the PPV with friends and hell, maybe have a beer or two. Conor is two centimetres taller and fought two months more recently than Floyd. I.N.R.I posted:when you really think about it, sport is just athletes competing for the entertainment of the general public This the part that annoys me. The UFC tended to act, most of the time, like a sport, even though no one was forcing it to. You had stuff like Jon Fitch not getting a second title shot, but generally, the rankings more or less made sense and more or less dictated match ups. Now who loving knows, and Conor is a pretty big part of that. It's not about the abstract 'integrity of the sport' I just don't enjoy it as much anymore.
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Jun 14, 2017 00:59
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Looten Plunder posted:Not only does he seem to have a massive speed disadvantage, he also appears to have no defence apart from a couple of smartass head bobs. This is pretty consistent for conor. I remember wondering how Chad Mendes was going to close the gap, but it turned out that just jumping at Conor with a big punch was more than enough. Dude has a good chin and relies on it. Wazzu posted:He knows his actual value and tries to get paid that much. He's valuable to the sport as kind of an anti-union. The union will raise the minimum and average wages, Conor will try and set it up so the true superstars are rewarded for their ability to shift business. How the gently caress is that valuable to the sport? Or even any kind of shift? The big stars have never had trouble getting paid. GSP, Ronda, Rampage, Chuck, Randy, Tito and Wanderlei all made an absolute fortune off the UFC.
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Jun 14, 2017 06:08
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Wasn't Byrd also a terrible MMA judge for a bit? Also, those 'Boxing Short Studies' videos on Youtube are great.
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Jun 15, 2017 22:56
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I hope this fight falls through after everyone realises how stupid it is. Ideally on fight week.
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Jun 16, 2017 00:48
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What's an example of a really good boxing match to demonstrate the difference between 'punches hard' and 'good boxer'? Would the Holyfield/Tyson fights count?
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Jun 16, 2017 01:53
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Fat Twitter Man posted:remember when Brendan Schaub said he could beat Cain Velasquez in a wrestling match I remember when Brendan Schaub got outboxed by Big Nog and became pretty much his only standing KO in a career going back several thousand years. big money big clit posted:Barrera/Hamed Marching Powder posted:Ward / Kovalev and GGG / Jacobs. Except GGG and Kovalev are both excellent boxers too. Thanks for these. I have a great interest in boxing even though I know I'm understanding a tenth of what I'm saying. I was just remembering a quote from Holyfield where he said 'Tyson tried to box me, and that was my strength' and I didn't fully understand what else it could be for a boxer. Would anyone like to try to explain that? Or is the answer B. CTE?
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Jun 16, 2017 02:13
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The Ninth Layer posted:Ali-Foreman too. A must watch for anyone who has ever wondered about the origins of rope-a-dope. I know about this one. It's the subject of 'When We Were Kings' which is a loving amazing documentary. kimbo305 posted:Here, "tried to box" means being clean defensively and outscoring your opponent as a primary goal as opposed to trying to hurt him or wear him out. I figured it was something like that, it was just a funny way to phrase it.
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Jun 16, 2017 02:50
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This reminds me of a number that came out around the time of Jones-Gustaffsson. Jones said he was hoping to show off his improved boxing in the upcoming fight, saying that he'd recently completed his 300th round of sparring. One of the Klitschko's chimed in, saying that he'd recently completed his 6000th. The sheer scale of the gap of experience here is amazing.
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Jun 16, 2017 05:07
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Jerusalem posted:I went into that documentary knowing that Ali beats Foreman, and the documentary was so good I was convinced going into the fight that it was literally impossible for Ali to win I had no idea about any of it. I was a child when it came out and my mum took me to see it. It was like suddenly discovering that Superman was real. Ali was one of a kind. I showed the documentary to my girlfriend, and she honestly couldn't believe Ali was a heavyweight with the way he moved.
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Jun 17, 2017 02:04
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Malcolm Excellent posted:I saw a rocky analogy earlier... Would Conor be Clubber Lang, and Floyd be Rocky? Nah, I'm pretty sure Lang was actually a professional boxer. Conor is more like Thunderlips. doctor thodt posted:This is a deeply cynical event that was meticulously orchestrated by a handful of greedy capitalists for the sole purpose of lining their own pockets, knowing full well the deep dissatisfaction every fan will have after the final bell rings and the profound long-term damage they could do to their respective sports. It does nothing beneficial for anything or anyone but them. It's playing to people's baser instincts with insider knowledge, the knowledge that we just can't help ourselves. We've seen this game countless times before. We know it's rigged against us, but we keep playing it anyway. There's that great clip of Bob Arum after the third Pac-Marquez fight, the one with the weird decision. Arum says he doesn't understand why anyone's upset. Everyone made a lot of money. And he seems genuinely confused. That's basically boxing in a nutshell to me.
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Jun 23, 2017 06:05
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doctor thodt posted:I get what you're saying, but there's boxing, and then there's whatever this is. JMM is a storied Mexican boxer with over 50 professional wins. Conor McGregor is an amateur boxer. Oh, I know it's not the same. It's just that there was so much going on in that fight, both from a narrative perspective and a boxing one. And, obviously, plenty of people were disappointed with the result. But all Bob Arum could see was how much money everyone made. It's the same attitude here. To someone who only cares about money, the fights are the same as each other. They're both going to make a lot of money. It's a common attitude at the top of a lot of industries. There's a story of a film executive seeing the terrible numbers for the Jean Claude Van Damme vehicle 'Sudden Death' which is 'Die Hard, but at ice hockey.' He apparently yells "I don't understand, we had so many more hostages than Die Hard." Same complete lack of understanding of why people care. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Jun 23, 2017 06:42
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Bluedeanie posted:Lmao sudden death owns and that owns too The late, great Powers Boothe fuckin' makes that movie. Pity about everything else that isn't Powers Boothe threatening little children or JCVD doing high kicks in a Hockey goalie's outfit.
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Jun 24, 2017 02:04
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CommonShore posted:He's had enormous top-level success in sports that have significant overlap with his new sport. He's been preparing for this opportunity for three years at least. He's an elite athlete, and he has an elite athlete's drive and focus. On top of that he's significantly younger than his opponent, who in recent years hasn't been fighting the best competition anyway. All of this will easily balance out the 0-0 professional record and the experience disparity. I have seen people unironically say that Conor training full time for a boxing match for (at this point) less than a year is enough to make this fight interesting. I keep expecting there to be another announcement, like 'Sorry, don't know what we were thinking, this is stupid as poo poo.'
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Jun 27, 2017 23:22
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQjvXRcnPvw Since we're posting cool vids, here's Andre Berto, who I'm lead to believe is a pretty good boxer, talking about how Floyd made him feel like an idiot.
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Jun 28, 2017 01:46
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kimbo305 posted:I would put Floyd in the Bhop school of defensive genius, and going by that yardstick, would need to age him 2 decades. I just spent a full minute googling for a boxer with the surname ''Bhop" before I realised who you meant.
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Jun 28, 2017 03:31
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The Ninth Layer posted:It's a 12 round fight, which is a big advantage for Mayweather. Most professional boxers spend years working their way up with 4-round, 6-round, 8-round and eventually 10-round fights and it's really only world title level fights that go all 12 rounds. Even then there are plenty of fighters that can't maintain pace across all 12 rounds and need to "take a round off" here and there. I think the question here isn't whether McGregor will gas out but what happens when he does. Remember that noted power puncher Nate Diaz turned him into a desperate wrestler. Is there an equivalent in boxing to 'failure to stand from butt scoot?' I remember somebody getting DQ'd against Tyson because they would not stop clinching him. Then again, the alternative was getting punched by Mike Tyson.
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Jun 28, 2017 03:40
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Grem posted:Tyson's punching power was severely overrated. My understanding was that he wasn't known for power, but for speed.
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Jun 28, 2017 04:59
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Yeah, Conor doesn't even have good defence by the low standards of MMA striking.
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Jun 28, 2017 08:52
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Josuke Higashikata posted:I dunno if that's a fair statement. Nate Diaz is a very good MMA striker and unorthodox as hell, he's not really been boxed up besides that. Mendes, Poirier and 12 year old Max Holloway all landed on him repeatedly. His chin was/is really good. Diaz is just the only one tough enough to weather the storm.
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Jun 28, 2017 10:54
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Skip My Posts posted:you might be right but at least conor can legitimately fight well in general I don't know, Conor beats up a lot of midgets. Rousey beat up Soccer moms. Can either be said to have the high ground here?
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Jun 30, 2017 03:13
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Mulaney Power Move posted:I punch harder than conor but then I have to sit down and catch my breath That's okay, so does Conor.
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Jun 30, 2017 06:00
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Conor is such a good thinker that he was outsmarted by Nate Diaz.
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Jul 1, 2017 06:14
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Jack B Nimble posted:A prospective Floyd opponent strategy should NOT be to have more "ring intelligence" than one of, if not the, saviest boxers of his era. That was what stood out to me when Berto was speaking about him, how he described Mayweather as completely switched on, noticing that Floyd was looking straight at him, obviously mentally engaged, as he fought. He wasn't fighting on muscle memory or anything.
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Jul 2, 2017 01:27
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neonburzt posted:I was thinking of that same movie too: Starring Peter Berg, who went on to be a pretty well regarded director, and also the guy who directed 'Battleship'
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Jul 2, 2017 05:12
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Anyone wanting to hazard a guess at the buyrate? Someone I know said five million (I think he just looked up Floyd/Pac and said a bigger number) but that seems insane for a whole bunch of reasons.
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Jul 6, 2017 01:35
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Conor will gas out because, despite being a small man and not having to weight cut, he was sucking air after 7 minutes with Nate Diaz. Then, after becoming a hermit and spending a fortune on his camp, he was able to extend that to 9 minutes.
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Jul 6, 2017 06:09
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Jose posted:MMA would be better if they hosed
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Jul 6, 2017 09:05
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Volkerball posted:Nothing would make me happier than Conor dropping floyd with a head kick There's a first time for everything. I'll settle for Conor actually landing one.
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Jul 18, 2017 08:29
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Bluedeanie posted:"The rules don't say he can't brandish a pistol and wave it about at his opponent wildly without actually shooting it!" the ref says, shrugging as he consults a massive paper tome labeled "COMPLETE AIR BUD NOVELIZATION ANTHOLOGY" Lol. You and Triticum keep making it real fuckin' hard to work out who's funnier.
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Jul 21, 2017 04:39
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attackmole posted:At most sane gyms, no. There's some exceptions to this rule that still produce good fighters that just inexplicably seem to have short careers, constant injuries, and shot chins at a young age. Shogun/Henderson 1 was an epic battle between two well worn battleaxes, one of whom was 29.
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Aug 7, 2017 06:05
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david carmichael posted:as the fight approaches i just care less and less I feel like it should have been announced either a lot closer to the event or a lot further away. Closer, and we would have less time to remember that Floyd is pretty much the best boxer ever. Further, and it's more plausible that Conor can do enough training to close the gap. I mean, he couldn't, but we could trick ourselves easier.
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Aug 8, 2017 02:26
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El Roncho posted:Surely Conor could handle such ferocity What...is this? 
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Aug 8, 2017 03:14
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Ishin posted:https://twitter.com/danawhite/status/896221007740100608 This seems like a completely dickbag, if not unsurprising, move by White. In response to those saying Conor can't box, here he is, showing that he can box. Badly. Against a bad boxer. Suck it haters.
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Aug 12, 2017 07:10
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The secret, right? I figured it out. Be better at fighting than him. No one else has thought of that.
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Aug 13, 2017 08:49
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Vladimir Putin posted:I'm beginning to think Paulie is not that smart. I've already concluded that this whole endeavour is not smart.
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Aug 15, 2017 00:54
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Mr. Nice! posted:It's gonna make hundreds of millions. Dumb things can make money, and often do.
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Aug 15, 2017 00:58
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WAR DOGS OF SOCHI posted:i don't think it's gonna make nearly as much as people had hoped it would I'm also interested. I have a friend who's convinced it's going to do better than Pac/Mayweather, but that had 4 years of anticipation and was evangelised by hardcore boxing fans, which is a big deal in terms of getting people who otherwise don't give a poo poo on board.
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Aug 15, 2017 02:22
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Hobo Erotica posted:looks like this is a guy on the internet laughing at a two weight world champion who is a master of movement limbering up his body I can't tell what's irony-posting anymore.
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Aug 15, 2017 03:11
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