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Strong Sauce posted:what is the hate for david cage about? i haven't played any of his games, but detroit interests me. the new character they showed yesterday kinda sucked but otherwise the negotiator android gameplay seemed cool. I would imagine it's due to the perception that he's pretentious, even though his video games are all obviously full of intentional movie cliches. I like to compare Cage to Hideo Kojima in that regard. Metal Gear Solid 1 especially feels like am 80s B-Movie that for some reason has a book report on why nukes are bad and why Nurture > Nature. Both men are also often attacked with the same insult of "they wish they were making movies but they aren't good enough so they make games instead." And before anybody dogpiles on me, I love Kojima and MGS and Kojima doesn't deserve these criticisms because he has been a pioneer in integrating gameplay into story. But you cannot deny the abundance of cutscenes gets a lot of criticisms as "lazy" storytelling. I'd also certainly say Kojima is much more ambitious than Cage because Cage is clearly a man who just wnats games to be like movies. That's fine with me but it seems to really piss some people off. But the kinds of movies Cage wants to make into games are summer blockbusters. He is not trying to make some avant garde piece. I would say the earlier comparison to Paul WS Anderson is accurate in that both he and Cage have a lot more fun with their projects than people give them credit for. See: earlier posted video with chickens. As a Paul Verhoeven fan, if Detroit is just a rehash of RoboCop in a lot of ways, I'll be happy. And given Cage's love of movies, it seems very likely.
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Fargin Icehole posted:I get what you mean by the comparisons. I think the only reason why Kojima is considered higher talent is that he straight up succeeded in the earlier days by introducing game mechanics and easter eggs nobody else would've bothered with. True, Cage has all the subtlety of a jackhammer to the balls but his games really are all about immersion. I guess most stories are because if you aren't immersed you just start thinking on plot holes and stuff. Even still, it's especially true for Cage's games because they rely so heavily on the unique relationship of player and player character. In Heavy Rain, if you don't actually feel anything when you are selecting one of many ways to remove Ethan's finger, then the game is not for you. And all the plot inconsistencies in HR have been brought up to death by people who clearly weren't as sucked in as I or others were by the "interactive storytelling" of the game. That's fine, I've long made my peace with the fact HR was a game better in intention than execution, better at targeting that part of your brain that is about emotion rather than logic. Outside of the video game format, it be total dog poo poo. But that seems to me to be what Cage wants to do. Also he probably really needs an editor. I heard he isn't actually the sole writer or director for Detroit so maybe someone can temper him and make this the best game yet. I'd like that. Right now, I liked Heavy Rain, was meh on Beyond and I'm gonna be playing Indigo Prophecy for the first time when I get some money now I know it's on PS4. But I want to have hope this is at least enjoyable. His games tend to have good music so that's at least one thing I can look forward to maybe. Also on a purely personal note, the fact Cage put himself in Heavy Rain with a sign that reads "E.G.O." is pretty awesome. I wonder what his cameo in Detroit will be. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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Imagined posted:I think that's just something they have to say, like Elisabeth Moss repeatedly insisting that the new 'Handmaid's Tale' TV show was "not a feminist show". Indeed, nerds will get up-in-arms if their media tries to tell them anything besides "you just keep being you, buddy." As long as the writer says it's apolitical, the simpletons will buy it because obviously our media is apolitical by default and means absolutely nothing. Speaking of which, I approve of Cage's anti-American government, anti-American police and pro-homeless people being actual people politics. There's way too much fiction out there where, if the MC needs help from a homeless person, they just have to buy that homeless person booze because, ya know, all homeless people must be drunks. (it's a rather revolting cliche) it was refreshing in Beyond: Two Souls to have the less fortunate portrayed respectfully. Indeed, Homeless is probably the best part of that game.
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