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FilthyImp posted:Realized this afternoon that the warrior queen out to exterminate monsters is a tad hypocritical since her quest for Mewman supremacy conveniently overlooks that she can turn into a giant butterfly woman... Did you just realize that now? That is like, the main point of the entire show.
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May 28, 2019 13:31
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I was talking to someone about this show and how weird it is how accepted 'storytelling' is in children's television compared to adult media. Like it's pretty much normal now that pretty much all big popular kids cartoons have or can have ongoing complex narratives that progress every episode. Even a show like this that starts out as a pretty episodic fluff "magic princess goes has to fit in at highschool" can just pick up political drama and allegory a few seasons in and then have every single episode contribute to an ongoing story. In adult television media it's still kinda rare. Stories either don't progress, progress only in special season finale type episodes and stick with status quos in between, or else the whole show is explicitly labeled top to bottom as being "the show that has a story" like game of thrones or breaking bad. "The good place" feels like the only adult audience show that has the "yeah we have a plot, so what?" feeling that almost all kids media has now, and it's so weird.
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May 28, 2019 18:10
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SlothfulCobra posted:Marco always felt kinda shallow to me as a character. He didn't have much of an arc, his primary purposes were to react to weird magic stuff and be a target of romantic interests. Whenever the show followed him alone for a while, it always felt kinda weak. I'm mostly glad they kept him as largely just a guy and just a sidekick. He didn't really have any part in the big magical destiny stuff and it'd have felt lame if they tried to shoehorn that in like lots of stories do.
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May 28, 2019 21:03
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Kaincypher posted:Towards the end everybody kind of got a rushed plot-arc resolution. Jackie, Tom, Kelly, pretty much everyone but Starco. I think Kelly and Marco trying to make a rebound relationship work could have been interesting, especially considering the maturing they had both earned from their prior relationships. I'm glad Ludo eventually found peace with his family but him lack of involvement in the end kind of made me sad (of course, I love Alan Tudyk and felt that between Ludo and the King he definitely became a background comedy relief character). Heck even that heel-turn move from the Queen being behind Mina got a 20-second heart-to-heart mother/daughter chat and that's about it. This show doesn't feel like it really liked conclusions. It explicitly mocked the idea of a point coming where there is a happy ending with the paradox photo thing and mina's last words are that her hate will come back, even the grand finale is realizing that magic constantly causing every conflict in the show is something that will just go on forever and ever as long as their is magic. This show seems deliberate in not wrapping everything up too much, like life isn't heading to some singular day where everything is sorted out, it's always ongoing.
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May 29, 2019 03:27
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I like how this show did it. Lots of 'will they, won't they" stories in media are really just one guy pathetically pining for 8 seasons. This did a pretty good job of making it clear early on both like each other and made it more circumstances or other relationships that meant "right now" made it not possible to finally date. There is only a couple times in the show where you can really say "wait, why aren't they dating again?" and the theme is mostly that you can't just drop in out of no where and have everyone drop everything over a crush.
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May 29, 2019 12:42
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Jackie seems like she wasn't meant to be a story about the relationship. That relationship seemed basically fine. The story was it playing out the standard tv will they won't they. Where it is just marco staring at her from a distance with no actual effort to do anything. Like they didn't paint it as some mistake where marco got punished for daring to like a girl but they didn't paint it as some amazing relationship where marco was right to nod at her every day since kindergarden. Like, it was fine. neither exceptionally good nor bad. It was a normal amount of relationship that marco built up as the end all be all. Again similar to the beach day photo.
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May 29, 2019 13:40
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I feel like extending the jackie stuff after they are dating would have had to either go into some bad punish or reward marco type thing that didn't fit. He built up jackie his whole life and then finally got the confidence to speak to her and she's fine. The relationship was totally fine and nothing special. It was happy while it lasted but didn't last long. And that seems better than having to go real hyperbolic into teaching marco a lesson that he was stupid and wrong and it was awful to want something but it also wasn't some perfect everything is good now conclusion after years of building it up. It was just a regular relationship like anyone in highschool might have.
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May 29, 2019 14:15
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Over the whole run of the show did magic ever actually do anything good except fix problems magic caused?
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May 29, 2019 17:45
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that is the point, meteora and toffee are very clearly issues that magic caused being fixed by more magic. There is a king and a queen and everyone lives in poverty and the monsters are treated as subhuman. Royalty has godlike power but literally in all of history all that gets used for it to blow up things that are either caused by magic or are threats to magic. Like it's like jenna just randomly showing up and that just being played as a cartoony joke until later where they actually ask "why was jenna here?", the show paints crapsack conditions everyone lives in as a cartoony gag but it's something serious, the world they live in actually seriously sucks. Magic hasn't made it any better and continuously makes it worse. None of the magic council are actually helping anything they control. all the problems just go in circles and everything is just going around and around and not actually getting better.
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May 29, 2019 18:55
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More grandly the point of the show was that the old flawed systems need to go away. That even if you make fantasy football integrated that everyone was already racist still going to be a racist and at some point all you can do is set up the change and have the people that come after you actually make a better world. That the power structure the world had was just someone going "eeny meeny miney moe" and handing rule by divine right of baby rattle to some random lady. The magic council all either abused their powers or seemed to do nothing. glosserick was some eternal all powerful god that switched sides on a whim. ludo is the monsters getting magic and he is just too dumb and crazy to do any better than the butterflies. But so would virtually anyone else. Star also creates awful things with her magic, just not yet on a big scale because she's only had magic for like a year, but she already has firstborn turning into a scary skeleton slime horse corrupting all magic (AGAIN). Like the idea is that it's not just the age of kings and queens was totally right but we just needed to find star and marco to be the perfect queens, but that the whole idea was garbage. no more kings, no more queens, no more magic wands. Changing the world means getting rid of the things that made the past bad, not thinking you'd be the one to finally figure it out and make it good for once.
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May 29, 2019 19:40
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So now that the show is over what the heck was going on with the constant jackie is a mermaid stuff (and to a lesser extent "oscar is a vampire" which kinda feels like was just a joke). What was the original plan for that anyway? It's such a weird element that they brought up so many times without it ever being anything.
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May 30, 2019 15:09
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Xelkelvos posted:I think those were just fan theories and not actual things well oscar had visible fangs and jackie like, had a million mermaid references, had natural blue green hair, had the same symbol star had in the alternate universe where she was a mermaid, and blurted out that she used to live in a river  edit: her first date with marco was going to a movie about a man who was dating a seamonster Owlofcreamcheese fucked around with this message at 16:20 on May 30, 2019 |
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May 30, 2019 16:09
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Hidingo Kojimba posted:Probably the same deal with Robbie having a zombie thing going on in Gravity Falls. I took that as just generic jokes on him being gothy.
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May 30, 2019 20:11
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