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You use the duplicate to power up the original. This increases their Noble Phantasm's power and also adds an overcharge effect for if you get the gauge over 100%.
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Holy poo poo that's even better whoa. I think I'll try for bathory on the roll or maybe one of the strong ones. Also what do dupes do in this game?
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Jun 23, 2017 21:26
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Noble Phantasm can be leveled up to 5 times, getting stronger each time. After that, dupes do nothing. Well, 5 stars dupes drop summoning circles, and then you can spend 10 summoning circles to get a 5-Star, but no one except the whalest of whales will ever get there.
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Jun 23, 2017 21:33
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As I understand it we're currently expecting to get:
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Jun 23, 2017 21:37
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So would it be better to try and roll a second Heracles to have a +1 np on him?
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Jun 23, 2017 21:38
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Generally speaking getting variety or wider coverage is better than just powering up a Noble Phantasm. As for speed rerolling, it will be more time efficient to make the 30 quartz pull and then restart. The tutorial 10 roll is rigged and cannot give you a 5* servant.
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Jun 23, 2017 21:45
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Nomadic Scholar posted:So would it be better to try and roll a second Heracles to have a +1 np on him? NP1 Hercules at level 80 does about 45k base with his NP, before any attack buffs. NP2 Hercules does about 56k with his NP. Endgame bosses have somewhere in the 600k-1.5mil range. Endorph fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Jun 23, 2017 21:46
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Captain Keene posted:As for speed rerolling, it will be more time efficient to make the 30 quartz pull and then restart. The tutorial 10 roll is rigged and cannot give you a 5* servant. Really? You can get multiple 4* Servants from it, though. Does it not just make nine normal rolls then pick a tutorial 4*?
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Jun 23, 2017 21:49
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Nomadic Scholar posted:So would it be better to try and roll a second Heracles to have a +1 np on him? No. Overcharge effects happen regardless, however they are affected by having multiple NPs chained. Getting NP2 on any given servant allows access to 200% NP gauge and increases both damage and their overcharge effect but you will still need to actually get to 200% NP on that servant in combat to make use of it. Don't try getting duplicates immediately, they're not that important. InfinityComplex fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Jun 23, 2017 21:50
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NRVNQSR posted:As I understand it we're currently expecting to get: The tutorial 10-pull cannot contains 5* so you only get one 10-pull for that. For the second it's hard to say how long it'd take until we know more details, like whether we have Start Dash in at launch. Without Start Dash and its free 12 quartz for clearing the prologue you'd actually need to do all of the prologue including free quests and some of ch1 to get enough but with Start Dash you'd only need to do the story missions in the prologue. I doubt we'll get it and instead feel like they'll add it in after the 42 quartz campaign ends in august. Unless you want Altria Horta or whatever they call her in your roll pool it's probably faster to just roll all that you've got right after the tutorial roll. For 5* you shouldn't need to be doing full 10-pulls since I very much doubt that the odds are higher than 1% even for the 3* or higher servant slot or the 4* or higher anything slot.
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NRVNQSR posted:Really? You can get multiple 4* Servants from it, though. Does it not just make nine normal rolls then pick a tutorial 4*? 5* servants are explicitly excluded from the tutorial draw. Likely to cut down on the rerolling but as if that's ever stopped rerollers.
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Jun 23, 2017 21:53
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Do you get a noticeable leg up if you reroll for a second 4* in the tutorial roll?
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Jun 23, 2017 21:55
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InfinityComplex posted:No. Overcharge effects happen regardless, however they are affected by having multiple NPs chained. Getting NP2 on any given servant allows access to 200% NP gauge and increases both damage and their overcharge effect but you will still need to actually get to 200% NP on that servant in combat to make use of it. Don't try getting duplicates immediately, they're not that important. I agree that it sounds like a bad choice - unless Hercules is your husbando, I guess - but I thought that some NP effects like Herc's damage just went up automatically with level even if you don't overcharge them? Captain Keene posted:5* servants are explicitly excluded from the tutorial draw. Likely to cut down on the rerolling but as if that's ever stopped rerollers. Ah, okay. Also I guess since it automatically forces you to put the tutorial 4* into your party they don't want a situation where the game's forcing you to pass over an "obviously better" Servant.
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cheetah7071 posted:Do you get a noticeable leg up if you reroll for a second 4* in the tutorial roll? I'm not sure if the tutorial roll explicitly forbids a second 4* or not. However it all depends on who you get for how much of an advantage you will get. A 3* analysis hasn't been posted yet, but there are a TON of good and effective 3* servants available. Edit- quick rundown for those interested Saber: Caesar Lancer: FSN CuChulainn, Prototype CuChulainn (to a lesser extent) Archer: All of them. No seriously all of them, the design space here is surprisingly well conceived. Caster: Medea, Paracelsus, CuChulainn Rider: Medusa, Ushiwakamaru Assassin: Fuma Kotaro, the other two Hassans (although it will take a while for these to be added) Berserker: Kiyohime for AoE, LuBu for sheer absurd damage numbers Captain Keene fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Jun 23, 2017 21:59
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Captain Keene posted:I'm not sure if the tutorial roll explicitly forbids a second 4* or not. However it all depends on who you get for how much of an advantage you will get. A 3* analysis hasn't been posted yet, but there are a TON of good and effective 3* servants available. You can definitely get a second 4* on the tutorial roll in the JP version; I was playing around with it earlier today to see how it runs on my devices and got an Emiya+Carmilla roll. edit: In fact looking at it again that tutorial 10-roll had two 4* CEs as well, which seems kind of insane. NRVNQSR fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Jun 23, 2017 22:02
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it's not like there's any pvp or competitive content like there is in granblue, and every event and all the story modes are beatable with just 3*s
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Some Servants do benefit from raising their Noble Phantasm, but they happen to mostly be 3-Stars and under, so if you play long enough you'll have them all at max NP anyway. For example, Robin Hood goes from 900% damage at level 1 to 1500% damage at level 5. Edit: Ushiwakamaru goes from 1200% to 2000%, 2400% after her strengthening quest. MonsieurChoc fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Jun 23, 2017 |
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Don't go for volume compared to going for what you like/would actually enjoy using. If you want 3 specific 4* units over any specific 5* unit though it's about the same probability given the pick so re-rolling for two of them using the tutorial wouldn't be so bad. Exact math for re-rolling the tutorial for a specific pair of 4* and then saving all your quartz is (1-(1-.03/10)^8)*.1 = .24% If you really, really want a 5* available in a later gacha might be worth aiming for the tutorial roll bounty and saving the 42 we're given, I guess. Decus fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Decus posted:Don't go for volume compared to going for what you like/would actually enjoy using. If you want 3 specific 4* units over any specific 5* unit though it's about the same probability given the pick so re-rolling for two of them using the tutorial wouldn't be so bad. Exact math for re-rolling the tutorial for a specific pair of 4* and then saving all your quartz is (1-(1-.03/10)^8)*.1 = .24% whereas rolling for a specific 5* using all of your quartz is (1-(1-.01/5)^14) = .28%. I think you misplaced the decimal point on that second one; I make it 2.8%, not .28%?
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NRVNQSR posted:I think you misplaced the decimal point on that second one; I make it 2.8%, not .28%? Ah, yep. Had thought the result was weird and that'd be why. edit: And now I figured it out, meant for the 5* example to also want a specific 4* in the tutorial which doesn't make as much sense as it did before we got the servant pick. Decus fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Jun 23, 2017 23:34
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cheetah7071 posted:What do you do with duplicates in this game? Can you deploy both? Should you, ever? Do you use the dupe to power up the original, or do you mulch it for a resource? To answer the bolded: unlike many other games, you cannot, in fact, deploy multiples of the same character. If you have another character's alternate version they can deploy together - so say you have Altria Alter and Altria Lily, they can deploy together, but if you have two Alters you can only put one on the team. This is one of the things I like, since it encourages the use of a good deal of your roster. Extra copies are exclusively for powering up the Noble Phantasms of a given unit.
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JP version dropped a date for the next EoR, the 28th, and also showed the new Caster's ascended form (dem titties). Gotta clear the last Singularity to access it.SpaceDrake posted:They haven't announced pricing, but here's some depression for you: F/GO's setup is actually one of the better gacha/price setups in Japan currently and that's a key part of why it's so successful. It has a pack of quartz that is perfect for impulse 10-pulls, and a lot of JP players go for it. And thanks to favorable currency conversions, any American playing the JP version actually pays less. To add more information on this pricing: The most expensive pack in the JP version is US $81.54 right now, for a total of 140 quartz. At the current quartz cost, that's just under 5 10-pulls.
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SpaceDrake posted:And given how many heavy hitters in this game are, naturally, women...
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Jun 24, 2017 02:12
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thats all men are good for
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Stairmaster posted:thats all men are good for I was going to say the good doctor but he is mission control
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Jun 24, 2017 02:23
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You say, but all I hear is "THE GOOD DOCTOR HAS TO PAY!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LChtBpTjvTY
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Jun 24, 2017 02:25
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Wasn't Altera a tutorial 5* roll?
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Jun 24, 2017 02:25
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Nope.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:01
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I really want them to add an EMIYA Lily servant who's just plain old Shirou.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:39
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That might happen because of a certain movie.
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Jun 24, 2017 04:45
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At launch you could roll Jeanne on your free roll. That was the only 5 star you could get for free back then.
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Bakanogami posted:I really want them to add an EMIYA Lily servant who's just plain old Shirou. One of my friends is an EMIYA/Shirou fanatic and he would positively freak out if they did that.
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How does your friend feel about EMIYA Alter, then?
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InfinityComplex posted:That might happen because of a certain movie. Would rather have an Avenger Sakura if we're doing movie tie-ins.
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InfinityComplex posted:That might happen because of a certain movie. Not exactly a plain Shirou but I'd be down as hell to see that. Miyu and Bazett too pls
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Where's the Tsukihime crossover, I need PCiel as a Berserker. And Kouma. And Aoko. And regular Ciel. Also, on Lily, I'd dig an Altera Lily. But she exists and the screen can't handle Titan Altera.
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Jun 24, 2017 06:01
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I wonder what they'll do for the Apcrypha tie-in.
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Jun 24, 2017 06:27
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The only servants from Apocrypha that aren't in game are Chiron, Achilles, and Semiramis so it will probably be them. Solomon isn't either but I don't see him coming in for the event.
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Jun 24, 2017 06:40
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the game's files have also had a listing for saber astolfo since launch so either that'll be in the summer event or that'll be in the apocrypha event
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Maybe more additions from the Apocrypha cast, like Semiramis. I'd really like Semiramis.
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