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Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

SpaceClown posted:

When you return, will your posts improve in quality?

Yes, assuming they put me in a coma

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ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe

Psycho Society posted:

Since 1996 here have been 18 westerners imprisoned in north korea for various lengths of time, most of those being ethnically korean. About 5,000 westerners go there every year. How many of those have died? How many tourists visiting mexico have died?

Hmm, it's true, tropical Mexican vacations are way worse than visiting a dystopian horror zone and supporting the dictator with fun bucks and legitimization

And I mean this both ethically and in terms of safety

-some goddamn idiot

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

Psycho Society posted:

Since 1996 here have been 18 westerners imprisoned in north korea for various lengths of time, most of those being ethnically korean. About 5,000 westerners go there every year. How many of those have died? How many tourists visiting mexico have died?

ok now do it but replace westerners with Americans

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

VikingSkull posted:

ok now do it but replace westerners with Americans

16 US citizens in ten years

Psycho Society
Oct 21, 2010
Anyway the point i'm making is because you weird fucks keep saying otto should have known he would be killed for loving with some poster or whatever it was, when there had been a sum total of zero tourists ever killed after visiting north korea. The people imprisoned there were tried for trying to enter north korea illegally, or converting locals to a religion, or espionage. In all but 3 cases they were let out before a year.

There is no argument you can make that being strangled or drowned to death is not 100% unprecedented, and any unironic sentiment that he knew what he was getting into is coming from a very hosed up and spiteful place

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer
What was that one story about the guy who everybody thought was a vegetable but he was awake the whole time with locked in syndrome and people are mistreating him and the gardener was coming in and raping him and stuff all the time?

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

Here's what the state dept has to say

quote:

The Department of State strongly warns U.S. citizens not to travel to North Korea/the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK). The Department of State strongly warns U.S. citizens not to travel to North Korea/the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK). U.S. citizens in the DPRK are at serious risk of arrest and long-term detention under North Korea’s system of law enforcement. This system imposes unduly harsh sentences for actions that would not be considered crimes in the United States and threatens U.S. citizen detainees with being treated in accordance with “wartime law of the DPRK.” Since the United States does not maintain diplomatic or consular relations with North Korea, the U.S. government has no means to provide normal consular services to U.S. citizens in North Korea. This notice updates the number of U.S. citizens who have been detained in North Korea and replaces the Travel Warning dated February 7, 2017. 

At least 16 U.S. citizens have been detained in North Korea in the past ten years. North Korean authorities have detained those who traveled independently and those who were part of organized tours. Being a member of a group tour or using a tour guide will not prevent North Korean authorities from detaining or arresting you. Efforts by private tour operators to prevent or resolve past detentions of U.S. citizens in the DPRK have not been successful.

If you decide to enter North Korea against the advice of this Travel Warning, you should have no expectation of privacy. All electronic and multimedia devices including USB drives, CDs, DVDs, mobile phones, tablets, laptops, Internet browsing histories, and cookies are subject to search for banned content.

If DPRK authorities permit you to keep your mobile phone when you enter the country, it will not function unless you use the DPRK mobile service, which will enable DPRK authorities to monitor your calls. GPS-trackers and satellite phones are not allowed.

Possession of any media, either physical or electronic, that is critical of the DPRK government or its leaders is considered a criminal act punishable by long-term detention in hard labor camps and heavy fines.

In North Korea, the following – whether done knowingly or unknowingly – have been treated as crimes:

Showing disrespect to the country’s former leaders, Kim Il Sung or Kim Jong Il, or for the country’s current leader, Kim Jong Un, including but not limited to tampering with or mishandling materials bearing their names or images;
Entering North Korea without proper travel documentation;
Possessing material that is in any way critical of the DPRK government;
Proselytizing or carrying out religious activities, including activities that may be construed as such, like leaving behind religious materials;
Engaging in unsanctioned political activities;
Traveling without authorization, even for short distances;
Having unauthorized interaction with the local population;
Exchanging currency with an unauthorized vendor;
Taking unauthorized photographs;
Bringing pornography into the country;
Shopping at stores not designated for foreigners; and
Removing or tampering with political slogans and signs or pictures of political leaders.


Numerous foreigners have been held in North Korea for extended periods of time without being formally charged with any crimes. Detained foreigners have been questioned daily for several weeks without the presence of counsel and have been compelled to make public statements and take part in public trials.

Since the United States does not maintain diplomatic or consular relations with North Korea, the U.S. government has no means to provide normal consular services to U.S. citizens. The Embassy of Sweden in Pyongyang is the Protecting Power for U.S. citizens in the DPRK providing limited consular services to U.S. citizens who require emergency assistance. Although the U.S.-DPRK Interim Consular Agreement stipulates that North Korea will notify the Embassy of Sweden within four days of an arrest or detention of a U.S. citizen and will allow consular visits by the Swedish Embassy within two days after a request is made, the DPRK government routinely delays or denies consular access.

The DPRK funnels revenue from a variety of sources to its nuclear and weapons programs, which it prioritizes above everything else, often at the expense of the well-being of its own people. It is entirely possible that money spent by tourists in the DPRK goes to fund these programs. We would urge all travelers, before travelling to the DPRK, to consider what they might be supporting. 

If you go there you hosed up and bear responsibility for what happens

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe

Blue Train posted:

Here's what the state dept has to say


If you go there you hosed up and bear responsibility for what happens

Fake News!

Visit glorious fatherland, home of great leader and Best Pie Eater!

Psycho Society
Oct 21, 2010
You have a much greater chance of getting killed visiting mexico than you do north korea. Getting imprisoned for 200 days after passing out bibles is not the same thing as getting drowned to death

Btw

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/world/asia/americans-visit-north-korea-despite-warnings.html?_r=0 posted:

The State Department does not keep records on how many Americans visit North Korea. Of the 4,000 to 5,000 Western tourists who visit each year, about 20 percent come from the United States, said Simon Cockerell, general manager of Koryo Tours, a travel company in Beijing.

Apparently not everyone agrees with the 16 americans per decade thing? weird

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe

Psycho Society posted:

You have a much greater chance of getting killed visiting mexico than you do north korea. Getting imprisoned for 200 days after passing out bibles is not the same thing as getting drowned to death

Btw


Apparently not everyone agrees with the 16 americans per decade thing? weird

"This is a good hill to die on, comrade"

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.
I'm gonna keep my opinion that vegetable dude was an idiot, thanks

Psycho Society
Oct 21, 2010

ElGroucho posted:

"This is a good hill to die on, comrade"

"oh god, someone is arguing on the internet... please... n-no...."

Toadvine
Mar 16, 2009
Please disregard my advice w/r/t history.

Blue Train posted:



If you go there you hosed up and bear responsibility for what happens

This is true.

It is also true that what happened to Otto is heartbreaking and nobody deserves that fate.

Psycho Society
Oct 21, 2010
You'll notice I don't actually give a gently caress what you think, and the photoshops in this thread are pretty drat funny. Good talk, bud

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

Psycho Society posted:

You have a much greater chance of getting killed visiting mexico than you do north korea. Getting imprisoned for 200 days after passing out bibles is not the same thing as getting drowned to death

Btw


Apparently not everyone agrees with the 16 americans per decade thing? weird

funny that the state dept also advises against going to areas in Mexico with a large cartel presence

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe
It seems like you care a lot my dude

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer
Hey Otto what ya got in your mind

Zo
Feb 22, 2005

LIKE A FOX
lol so a british guy who was on the same north korea trip with our dear otto halfbrain gave an interview and says they got wasted every night

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

Toadvine posted:

This is true.

It is also true that what happened to Otto is heartbreaking and nobody deserves that fate.

I honestly don't remember if I said he deserved it I :justpost: but I agree that North Korea is bad and police state actions are bad

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.
yeah I'm not gonna say that the dude deserves to be a turnip but holy lol do I not feel sorry for him

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe

VikingSkull posted:

yeah I'm not gonna say that the dude deserves to be a turnip but holy lol do I not feel sorry for him

:same:

Like if you die in a bed fire while drinking vodka and smoking in bed, it sucks that you are dead but also LOL

Count Freebasie
Jan 12, 2006

big nipples big life posted:

I think Otto would disagree.

Not anymore

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer
I knew a rich kid who would get drunk with his buddies and one night they went and stole a state troopers jet ski. His dad paid for good lawyers and he ended up getting off. His dad also paid for flight school for the kid while this was all going on and now the rich kid is an even richer airline pilot married to a beautiful girl and banging other beautiful women around the world.

The basis of humor is suprise so part of what makes the Otto story so funny is how the rich kid gets dunked on in the end

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

Has anyone held a balloon up to Otto to check for responsiveness yet?

big nipples big life fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Jun 16, 2017

Psycho Society
Oct 21, 2010

Trunko posted:

I knew a rich kid who would get drunk with his buddies and one night they went and stole a state troopers jet ski. His dad paid for good lawyers and he ended up getting off. His dad also paid for flight school for the kid while this was all going on and now the rich kid is an even richer airline pilot married to a beautiful girl and banging other beautiful women around the world.

The basis of humor is suprise so part of what makes the Otto story so funny is how the rich kid gets dunked on in the end

He was probably dunked in, a toilet, until he was dead

SpaceClown
Feb 13, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Why are poors so obsessed with money

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer
This Otto guy got in a little over his head on this one

Psycho Society
Oct 21, 2010
If you had to be violently drowned until you courted brain death, would you pick one of those cute conscripted north korean girls to do it?

SpaceClown
Feb 13, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Id grab the nearest blunt object and start swinging in the hopes my death will reignite the Korean war.

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

Traffic girl definitely

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

The Korean war is technically still going hth

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer
So that's the current theory? They water boarded him for a month until his brain was dead? That sounds like a fairly unpleasant way to die imho

Count Freebasie
Jan 12, 2006

Trunko posted:

So that's the current theory? They water boarded him for a month until his brain was dead? That sounds like a fairly unpleasant way to die imho

They made him read Three Olives' post history.

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

Count Freebasie posted:

They made him read Three Olives' post history.

They don't use punishments that severe on foreigners.

SpaceClown
Feb 13, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Blue Train posted:

The Korean war is technically still going hth

Thats why I said reignite and not cause the second one.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Poor Otto

Cut down in his prime by evil stalinists. Poor, poor Otto

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Trunko posted:

So that's the current theory? They water boarded him for a month until his brain was dead? That sounds like a fairly unpleasant way to die imho

He hung himself

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

Autoerotic asphyxiation brings down another one

Sand Dan
May 15, 2017

welcum 2 our
sick cyberpunk h e l l
maybe they gave him some sort of spooky nerve chemical stew or something as a parting gift

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SpaceClown
Feb 13, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Does surviving sarin make you retarded?

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