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I'm assembling the models from the starter today. I haven't worked with plastics before, do these need to be washed prior to priming?
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I was able to get a game in against a green tide style Ork list today with my Blood Angels. I came very close to tabling my opponent but ended up losing due to points after turn 5. Overall the highlight of the game was me deepstriking a unit of Sanguinary Guard and a Captain into his backfield and knocking Ghazghkull down to 2 wounds with plasma pistol fire. The guard made their charge but my captain failed his even with a command point reroll, leading to my the guard failing to put a single wound on that bastard ork and my captain getting surrounded and quickly cut down. Ghazghkull then proceeded to eat a full 3 rounds of shooting from my Sicaran without going down, due in large part to some little rear end in a top hat behind him who kept restoring wounds. It was depressing beyond words. Overall hordes do feel pretty manageable. I took a pair of Stormtalons and they put in some serious work killing boys. My terminators were pretty effective at range but became almost completely useless once they got into assault. Is it just me or do power fists seem pretty bad now for their point cost? I didn't get many good pictures but here's a shot of my deepstrikers shortly before things turned ugly: 
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Mugaaz posted:I'm assembling the models from the starter today. I haven't worked with plastics before, do these need to be washed prior to priming? No, washing is only for (some) resin
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  Figured I should actually paint Typhus up now since he buffs the gently caress out of poxwalkers
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Jun 18, 2017 06:15
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TKIY posted:Lots in this FAQ. Charging a unit with a character behind another unit is a good strategy since it can't be targeted for Overwatch. MonsterEnvy posted:Character can't be shot at unless they are the closest unit. Under the targeting characters section it says. "A Character can only be chosen as a target in the shooting phase if they are the closest visible enemy unit to the model that is shooting." So, you can't normally target a character that's not the closest enemy unit, but, since overwatch is not in the shooting phase, they can be. Nothing in todays FAQ says otherwise.
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Black_Nexus posted:
Looks even better fullscreened, which is more than can be said of most paintjobs.
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If I name my space marine chapter "Ork" does this mean my <Chapter> keyword becomes Ork so I can field Orks with my marines? 
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GreenMarine posted:If I name my space marine chapter "Ork" does this mean my <Chapter> keyword becomes Ork so I can field Orks with my marines? no. 
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Yeast posted:no. I wouldn't actually do such a thing. Is that from a FAQ? I haven't read any FAQs yet.
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Jun 18, 2017 06:52
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Yep, they posted 'Developers commentary' today https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/17/new-edition-now-available-read-the-rules-get-the-t-shirtgw-homepage-post-1/
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I've heard some edge case stories of assholes that make it seem like a good idea to clarify that rule, as laughable as it may be.
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Yeast posted:Yep, they posted 'Developers commentary' today That seems like an entirely sane FAQ.
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GreenMarine posted:That seems like an entirely sane FAQ. exactly. It's 3 pages of 'no you loving pedant, of course you can't'
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Yeast posted:exactly. It's 3 pages of 'no you loving pedant, of course you can't' It's a beautiful Day 1 faq basically telling the WAACers "no, don't even try it." 
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Any advice/concerns about just taking some Vanguard detachments and just spamming Chaos Havoc squads?
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:Any advice/concerns about just taking some Vanguard detachments and just spamming Chaos Havoc squads? You want the Spearhead detachment
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Safety Factor posted:Good luck? That is a very valid concern. Well, too late to edit it now. What if I were to try the same thing, but with the Spearhead detachment? I would just try it and see, but only I play about once every two months.
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mango sentinel posted:I've heard some edge case stories of assholes that make it seem like a good idea to clarify that rule, as laughable as it may be. It was jackasses claiming they could just call their tag "wu tang clan" and take everything affecting everything so it's nice to see the official word being "go gently caress yourself".
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loving Forge world. Looking at the chaos index the knight magaera and knight stiryx are both the exact same thing differing only in their primary weapon and their tiny secondary ranged weapon. I'd argue that the stiryx has guns that are slightly stronger and sure enough they are priced slightly more. Perfect. EXCEPT the base price of the magaera is 440 and the styrix is 340?????? Who loving wrote this poo poo??? Also the knight porphyrion has two different types of Explodes rules proving once again that they can't be loving bothered to give even a cursory glance at what they've written before going to print. It's ok through because we have a 40% chance of getting an errata in 18 months answering 6 questions no one was asking and completely ignoring all of the blatant misprints forever! my kinda ape fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Jun 18, 2017 |
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Black_Nexus posted:
Hot drat. I was keen for big marines, but now I'm thinking papa Nurgle is the most benevolent.
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Jun 18, 2017 11:00
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Yeast posted:exactly. It's 3 pages of 'no you loving pedant, of course you can't' Clarifies some important situations too, like never supercharge plasma on a guy with a 2+ to hit if you have a negative to hit modifier.
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Master Twig posted:Under the targeting characters section it says. "A Character can only be chosen as a target in the shooting phase if they are the closest visible enemy unit to the model that is shooting." That is the dumbest bit of rules lawyering I've seen today, and it's been a long day.
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Mugaaz posted:I'm assembling the models from the starter today. I haven't worked with plastics before, do these need to be washed prior to priming? Some people still wash them just to be safe. I did.
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Liquid Communism posted:That is the dumbest bit of rules lawyering I've seen today, and it's been a long day. idk, I tend to think it's a more sensible outcome than the alternative personally
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A very quick 8th edition unboxing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQwPD9XXf2Q
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Solemn Sloth posted:idk, I tend to think it's a more sensible outcome than the alternative personally Yeah I think Twig is right on this one
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RagnarokAngel posted:Question, I'm slowly breaking into thousand sons (Have 3 squads of rubrics, scarab terminators, ahriman and magnus) and looking at where to go from here. If I decided I wanted a helbrute, do you think I could get away with using a space marine dreadnought? I'm not wild about the helbrute because I feel like the whole skin fused to machine thing doesn't jive with Thousand Sons. But a space marine dreadnought in thousand sons, minus some of the imperium iconography like purity seals basically looks like a sarcophagus on a robot and I think could work. Would this be allowed or would most give me poo poo over it? https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Thousand-Sons-Contemptor-Dreadnought For roughly the same cost (and sometimes less) as a GW dreadnought you can get this infinitely better model. Just remember that this hobby isn't just about desperately spending as little money as possible just to get something on the table. Indulge in the finest of mans.
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It's list time 1000 points of biglys (using the points in the index) List 1 Captain in Gravis armour with mastercrafted powersword and boltstorm gauntlet - 147 2 squads of Inceptor - 225 each 2 squads of Biglys - 100 each 1 squad of Plasma Biglys - 185 985 points OR Lieutenant with power sword - 74 1 squad of Inceptors - 225 3 Squads of Biglys - 300 2 squads of Plasma Biglys - 370 969 points I think the Captain is pricey for a model that isn't great at shooting and only good at assault, and is also slower than everything else. When the bigly codex comes out next month I imagine you'll be able to tool up Sergeants, so it'll be power swords all round then. I am biased towards the 2nd list because I feel in low point games boys before toys is the way to go.
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That second list is a lot better. As you said, boys before toys is the go-to for low points games, and it goes doubly for Biglys, because your boys are even more scarce. I can see a lot of people just not taking a captain in favour of more Lieutenants. Captains are just too expensive for something that's just not that good. Lieutenants are cheap and give a decent buff (especially for babysitting plasma biglys so they don't blow themselves up). A lot to love at only 74pts base.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:That second list is a lot better. As you said, boys before toys is the go-to for low points games, and it goes doubly for Biglys, because your boys are even more scarce. Lieutenant bonus is reroll 1s to wound, not to hit. So plasmas can still blow themselves up. I've started assembling my models. The metal Iron Warrior heads look good with the bigly bodies.
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TheChirurgeon posted:Yeah I think Twig is right on this one Agreed
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my kinda ape posted:EXCEPT the base price of the magaera is 440 and the styrix is 340?????? Who loving wrote this poo poo??? Doesn't the Magaera regenerate wounds or maybe include its unique weapon in the base cost? That seems like a particularly egregious oversight.
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Liquid Communism posted:That is the dumbest bit of rules lawyering I've seen today, and it's been a long day. It's actually good rules lawyering.
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So I finally took the plunge and purchased my first big ol' box of plastic cocaine. I am now officially in this thing. I got the Dark Imperium box set despite having zero interest in either Chaos or Marines on the grounds that I was going to be spending half the cost of the thing on the rulebook anyway and it was a good number of models for the price - and I need the painting practice before I get into armies that I'm really interested in. I'm really interested in Ad Mech - I think their models have this amazing retro-sci fi aesthetic that I can't wait to put together. I might do the marines from the box in complimentary Ad Mech colours to fit with that. Does anyone have any examples of rad looking techmarines?
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I wanted to get an index but they were all sold, can someone tell me what noise marines and other Slaanesh looks like. I think I am going to take the death guard from the main box (trading primaris to a friend) but I don't understand if they're allowed to roll with emperor's children or what. Death Guard look good as gently caress by the way. All of these models look great.
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Mostly finished up the first of my Primaris Marines. I'm fairly happy with how it turned out. I imagine by the time i paint the last one they'll be perfect. I need to go back over the cape with black and highlight with dark reaper instead of gray, and I still gotta do his backpack and base.    
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Master Twig posted:Under the targeting characters section it says. "A Character can only be chosen as a target in the shooting phase if they are the closest visible enemy unit to the model that is shooting." Works for me.
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Yeast posted:no. Someone asked this the other day during the twitch stream, but they wanted to know if they could name their <Craftworld> Ultramarines and thereby benefit from taking Guilliman. Chat then proceeded to ask him if he has any actual friends.
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