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I'm not writing a academic paper twodot. I'm posting on a dead gay comey forum to start a discussion.
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BrandorKP posted:At the end of 18th months the milestone for a child is to say 8 - 10 words. At the age my son had spoken vocabulary of over 100 words and was using sentence structure.
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Jun 19, 2017 05:46
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BrandorKP posted:I'm not writing a academic paper twodot. I'm posting on a dead gay comey forum to start a discussion.
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Jun 19, 2017 05:47
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twodot posted:Right, and I'm saying your discussion sucks, because it's predicated on a fake academic paper that you've cited but can't find. And yet your discourse manages to lower even this relatively low bar through it's sheer pathetic lack of even the illusion of substance, you whiny baby.
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Jun 19, 2017 05:48
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twodot posted:Right, and I'm saying your discussion sucks, because it's predicated on a fake academic paper that you've cited but can't find. The strawest of men that one statement I made I cannot find the reference invalidates the whole of the discussion.
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Jun 19, 2017 05:50
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BrandorKP posted:The strawest of men that one statement I made I cannot find the reference invalidates the whole of the discussion.
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Jun 19, 2017 05:52
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twodot posted:So, you're just openly engaging in a gish gallop, where I have to track down every objective claim you've made, and ask for sources individually? If your earlier claim wasn't important to the discussion, perhaps retract it, and make the claim you think is truly important? What claim have you brought into the discussion that has any importance at all? twodot posted:I'm literally whining
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Jun 19, 2017 05:55
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litany of gulps posted:What claim have you brought into the discussion that has any importance at all?
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Jun 19, 2017 05:57
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twodot posted:My main claim is that BrandorKP is clearly talking out of their rear end. I've also got a bonus should claim that they should stop posting until they can stop talking out of their rear end. You should stop posting until you have something to offer. What have you brought to the table here, other than sniveling? You're like some kind of deficient Socrates, asking questions with no purpose that nobody cares about, purely as a cover for your complaints.
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Jun 19, 2017 05:58
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twodot posted:So, you're just openly engaging in a gish gallop, where I have to track down every objective claim you've made, and ask for sources individually? If your earlier claim wasn't important to the discussion, perhaps retract it, and make the claim you think is truly important? Let's take something I asserted like emotional intensity in the gifted: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...WI7GGmcAhvA_kmQ https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...LbyVAg0OHNxSDZg https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...c_thdmdvbPZyEkg If something can be verified in less than a minute by search and I posted a text I was directly quoting in the OP "Living with Intensity" that is on the subject... gently caress off.
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Jun 19, 2017 06:00
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Unusually advanced or developmentally delayed infants/toddlers tend to end up fairly close to the norm some years down the line. Seems like a bad example, if you're going for credibility.
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Jun 19, 2017 06:01
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BrandorKP posted:Let's take something I asserted like emotional intensity in the gifted: quote:No guarantee is provided as to its veracity, and browsers rely on this material at their own risk. If you feel that any material is inaccurate or unbalanced, please let us know using the webmaster link below.
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Jun 19, 2017 06:06
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Corvinus posted:Unusually advanced or developmentally delayed infants/toddlers tend to end up fairly close to the norm some years down the line. Seems like a bad example, if you're going for credibility. Oh poo poo, twodots, you've got some questions to ask here! But you won't, because your dumbass questions weren't about evidence, they were about your whiny complaints.
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Jun 19, 2017 06:06
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litany of gulps posted:Oh poo poo, twodots, you've got some questions to ask here! But you won't, because your dumbass questions weren't about evidence, they were about your whiny complaints.
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Jun 19, 2017 06:09
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twodot posted:"fairly close" isn't an objective claim that can be measured. "People in a specific set I've yet to define wind up with incomes 20% above average" is a claim that must be backed up by data or is just an rear end in a top hat spewing facts they know to be made up. You clearly aren't cut out for trolling anything but the lowest of hanging fruits. Go back to trolling the Democratic party thread. If there was ever an easier thing to troll, I certainly don't know about it. You can fact check that poo poo yourself.
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Jun 19, 2017 06:10
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Corvinus posted:Unusually advanced or developmentally delayed infants/toddlers tend to end up fairly close to the norm some years down the line. Seems like a bad example, if you're going for credibility. About 3 going on 4 now, we've consulted several special education professionals and it's a yep. Nothing has slowed down yet milestone wise.
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Jun 19, 2017 06:13
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BrandorKP posted:About 3 going on 4 now, we've consulted several special education professionals and it's a yep. Nothing has slowed down yet milestone wise. Milestones!?!? Do you have any proof for your concept of "developmental psychology"? Checkmate.
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Jun 19, 2017 06:16
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the trump tutelage posted:You're talking to stone cold. The only two kinds of people who exist are whites and their victims. nice own goal, idiot
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Jun 19, 2017 06:17
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twodot posted:"Excuse me, sir. Are you a literal oracle that will predict the future of this individual child, 5, 10, or even 50 years into the future? Oh? You aren't literally omniscient possessing all possible knowledge of both the present and future? What's the point then? Also I'm allowed to make declarations about other children's future without any sort of evidence that I'm right, and if you ask me for evidence, I'll just say I forgot, and you should find it." Who wins in a fight between a straw man and a galloping gish?
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Jun 19, 2017 06:19
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Tokamak posted:Who wins in a fight between a strawman and a galloping gish?
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Jun 19, 2017 06:21
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twodot posted:My feel is whichever side isn't asking Internet strangers to predict the developmental progression of a baby based on a single data point. Can we move this thread to wherever goons brag about how their kids are the most awesome unique kids ever? I think you might be having some reading comprehension problems if that's your interpretation of this discussion. Is your disability leading to anger toward the topic at hand?
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Jun 19, 2017 06:24
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1 in 50 kids are in the top 2%. It's not exactly rare.by definition.
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Jun 19, 2017 06:24
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/education/in-one-school-students-are-divided-by-gifted-label-and-race.htmlquote:
Wait a second are you claiming that middle class white children make 20% more than the minority students when they leave school!?? Good God, you may be on to something!!! Does anyone else know?!?!
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Jun 19, 2017 06:28
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BrandorKP posted:At the end of 18th months the milestone for a child is to say 8 - 10 words. At the age my son had spoken vocabulary of over 100 words and was using sentence structure. I just assume it's a result of word salad osmosis. Also, I'm not sure that you're really approaching this subject very rigorously, in terms of either types of intelligence, attacking problems of causation and so on.
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Jun 19, 2017 06:31
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Disinterested posted:I just assume it's a result of word salad osmosis. Oh poo poo, twodots changes accounts to make the same arguments while maintaining a complete lack of substance! What are your credentials? Do you have any point to make? Do you have any intelligence to present, or are you just whining as well?
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Jun 19, 2017 06:36
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Wait a second I am starting to notice a pattern! http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015/09/30/441409122/in-houstons-gifted-program-blacks-and-latinos-are-underrepresented quote:
You mean if you give children special attention and intensive learning programs at a early developmental stage they may be at a advantage later in life??!! Shocking if true!!
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Jun 19, 2017 06:41
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litany of gulps posted:Oh poo poo, twodots changes accounts to make the same arguments while maintaining a complete lack of substance! 1. What 2. I'm not the one making big claims that are based on little more than gut feelings, I don't have to trot out my own hypothesis to say so.
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Jun 19, 2017 06:43
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Hollismason posted:Wait a second I am starting to notice a pattern! In Dallas, the magnet schools skim off all of the gifted students for the magnet schools. Dallas magnets end up at the very top tier in the country as a whole, but they're 70% white, while the non-magnet Dallas public schools in some cases are 1-2% white. Make of that what you will.
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Jun 19, 2017 06:43
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Disinterested posted:1. What Right, you're just some random turd asking pointless questions. You have no hypothesis or goal or anything worth mentioning. What are you?
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Jun 19, 2017 06:44
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litany of gulps posted:Right, you're just some random turd asking pointless questions. You have no hypothesis or goal or anything worth mentioning. What are you? Apparently the object of a day spent without a cup of coffee, or with too many.
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Disinterested posted:Apparently the object of a day spent without a cup of coffee, or with too many. I wish I'd need some coffee to engage with your ilk, but you've got nothing to offer. You've sniffed a few too many of your own farts, did you have something that anyone else would want to get involved with?
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Jun 19, 2017 06:49
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Hrmm interesting https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/gifted-ed-guru/201302/sorry-your-exceptional-child-might-not-be-gifted quote:Of course, it is impossible to separate the yin-yang duality of Nature and Nurture. A person’s natural gifts, like a keen mind, are indeed shaped and further molded by his environment. But when a parent claims that her child is gifted because he can, say, read several grade levels above his young peers, or count to 100 at the age of three, or “name all fifty states in alphabetical order when he was just five”… then that parent is perhaps confusing correlation with causation. He can do all of these things, so he must be gifted, the thinking goes. It appears that in human development a nurturing environment is needed in some way..
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BrandorKP posted:At the end of 18th months the milestone for a child is to say 8 - 10 words. At the age my son had spoken vocabulary of over 100 words and was using sentence structure. At that age a child should be able to say 50 words and use simple sentence structure. https://translate.google.com/transl...t-text=&act=url Kid's language development varies a lot. Just because a kid starts to talk early doesn't necessarily means it's gifted and the opposite is also true. Your kid isn't necessarily "slow" just because it starts to talk late. Alhazred fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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Jun 19, 2017 06:52
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Is no one going to point out the obvious that BrandonKP apparently is some weird helicopter parent who has meticulously tracked their child's vocabulary up to including some sort of day to day tracking of the words used by his 18 month old child
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Jun 19, 2017 06:59
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Hollismason posted:Is no one going to point out the obvious that BrandonKP apparently is some weird helicopter parent who has meticulously tracked their child's vocabulary up to including some sort of day to day tracking of the words used by his 18 month old child Come on man. You're calling people out for being weird? Did you ever get your horrendous mouth fixed? Edit: Weren't you pulling your own foul, rotten teeth from your disgusting face yourself?
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Jun 19, 2017 07:01
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Yes I am and Yes I did https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...b8c8_story.html quote:
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Jun 19, 2017 07:03
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Hollismason posted:Yes I am and Yes I did gently caress's sake. Stop trolling and thank god you didn't die from your septic filthy teeth. You should be donating to charity, not calling people out. God drat.
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Jun 19, 2017 07:04
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Wait are you saying there may be some sort of racial disparity in the school system https://thinkprogress.org/how-gifted-and-talented-programs-reinforce-class-and-race-inequities-40d72e16355d quote:
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Jun 19, 2017 07:09
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Hollismason posted:Wait are you saying there may be some sort of racial disparity in the school system Of course there loving is. But you of all people calling someone else weird for their participation in the discussion? At least Brandor can brush their loving teeth, presumably. Get off your high horse, mushmouth. If you want to talk, then don't pretend some weird superiority. You OBVIOUSLY have nothing of the sort.
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litany of gulps posted:I wish I'd need some coffee to engage with your ilk, but you've got nothing to offer. You've sniffed a few too many of your own farts, did you have something that anyone else would want to get involved with? I'm very happy for you that you've fixed your purpose on wailing about the fall of the House of Lowtax as aggressively as possible but do you think this thread is where you want to set up shop? I'm not an expert in this particular field except anecdotally and through limited training in issues of child development that goes with being certified to coach sports, and coaching those sports, as well as my own childhood. But, again, it strikes me that a lot of this area of inquiry rests on a desire to set up totally inorganic schematisms like 'gifted', that are often so nebulous (not even necessarily referring merely to what we think of as intelligence or a class of intelligence, but also things like self-discipline) that they escape any meaningful definition, with the status of gifted resting on inadequate or discredited criteria (IQ tests; brief interviews with psychologists, strong but empirically questionable parental convictions). There has to be some conceptual clarity for this conversation to go anywhere, and Brandor hasn't offered much apart from 'pick your own standard deviation' and a lot of vague anecdotal evidence of his own. This issue is all the more clouded by the apparent cloudiness between the treatment of the 'just smart' vs. the 'gifted' alluded to earlier in the thread, which seems to leave 'gifted' as more of a euphemism for 'anyone who's an outlier but doesn't fit in to an otherwise established category'. So it would be nice if Brandor did try to provide a more thorough definition of what he perceives giftedness to be because there's obviously no clarity about this at all in the thread. Alhazred posted:Kid's language development varies a lot. Just because a kid starts to talk early doesn't necessarily means it's gifted and the opposite is also true. Your kid isn't necessarily "slow" just because it starts to talk late. And indeed it's quite common for bilingual children to talk very late but to be very advanced speakers when they do talk, linguists tell me. litany of gulps posted:Of course there loving is. But you of all people calling someone else weird for their participation in the discussion? At least Brandor can brush their loving teeth, presumably. Get off your high horse, mushmouth. If you want to talk, then don't pretend some weird superiority. You OBVIOUSLY have nothing of the sort. Have you considered taking the log out of your own eye? Disinterested fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Jun 19, 2017 |
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