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It's odd that you mention intensity and high energy are issue, even though ADHD isn't considered linked to intelligence. Looking for details, I found this article that claims that there is very little research done on prevalence of ADHD among the gifted. Given how this seems to be a thing, I would've thought that there was something to this. The article lists a single Korean study that finds prevalence to not be significantly different and also states that people with ADHD fall on a standard intelligence curve. To keep going with this, it also doesn't seem like "giftedness" masks diagnosis as much as assumed. This population study [NIH link] finds that there isn't a difference in the average detection age of ADHD when compared across low, median, and high IQ's (the study's method of determining gifted status). To segue into a more relavent discussion, I've never been apart of any "pure" T&G concentration programs. What do y'all mean by this? Are they just programs that dump all the "T&G" students into the same school/curriculum? EDIT: Amniotic posted:G&T students fall under special education for a reason. Are gifted programs designed like special education? I mean, I assume some snark, but it also wouldn't be that unsurprising given that "gifted" is more than simply being about high IQ. The study I posted even mentions that there isn't "[a] clear, comprehensive definition for 'gifted and talented'". BirdOfPlay fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Jun 17, 2017 |
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:You can be gifted and talented and have an IEP if you are like, blind or something. I was told that I had an IEP and would've been categorized as a G&T student. I think it related to me being bad at English, which I took remedial classes for 6th and 7th. It could've also been because I "tricked" a random child psychologist into thinking that I was autistic. Or maybe it was just the ADHD thing.  Amniotic posted:Traditional tracked programs at the elementary school level are separate classes that GT kids are put into by virtue of testing (which is hard to game) or recommendation (which opens the door to the high achieving children of tiger moms and such). At the middle and high school level, there might be courses that are "above" AP in terms of difficulty of qualification, such as seminar classes that are ostensibly about teaching children with vastly different learning needs that instead become prestige classes for high achieving students. Typically these courses are taught by specialist teachers with certification in gifted education, which is a type of special education cert. Huh, I was never involved with anything besides standard tracking in VA, so this is all kinda interesting. The closest was the specialty center I went to for HS, but that only included 2 of my 7 courses for the year. All the rest were done as normal school classes. I could blame my lack of achievement on missing this in my education, but I think just the above puts me out of the normal range of experiences in that regard. BrandorKP posted:Gifted boys specifically between the ages of 4 - 9 , can often get sent to be evaluated for ADHD. After 9 it seems to be a thing they grow out of. I don't think it's the same as ADHD. I got plucked out to get tested for ADHD in first grade, and it coincided with the gifted screening. Until recently I thought a had been ADHD diagnosed too, but examining the record of my IEP that my parents kept, turned out I didn't. The child physiologist my parents consulted, said the following paraphrased " he will be interested in what he is interested in and it will nearly impossible to force him to be interested in something he isn't" I can see how that sort of characteristic could be mistaken for ADHD Intensity, energy, and the emotional stuff mentioned in your OP are also characteristic of ADHD and, in fact, are what triggered the question. Still, it just seems odd that a lot of cases would go ADHD over gifted unless only the shallowest of readings are done. EDIT: Ytlaya, that is legit hosed up. They saw you had a learning disability and went "eh, Ytlaya's smart enough, so who cares". BirdOfPlay fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Jun 18, 2017 |
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:20% above average is still above average. Like I think that is a big thing, people hear "above average" and think millionaires and movie stars then get let down when above average just means above average. Hell, even the Terman Study of the Gifted didn't find scores upon scores of ultra high achievers, and he actively interfered in the study by writing letters of recommendation for numerous participants.
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BrandorKP posted:About 3 going on 4 now, we've consulted several special education professionals and it's a yep. Nothing has slowed down yet milestone wise. Milestones!?!? Do you have any proof for your concept of "developmental psychology"? Checkmate.
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