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DaveKap posted:From what I understand as a person who is sorta on the periphery of the industry (it's a long story) the biggest problem is that marketing and PR (at large companies) are typically business departments that merely pretend to understand what it is video game hobbyists actually want but probably actually understand what mainstream video game buyers want. They rely on focus groups, owned IP, and science to pump out media that is supposed to guarantee sales to the broadest market possible which, oddly, doesn't include you or me. It's entirely possible that they purposely showed off an underwhelming Doom because they knew reviewers were going to be caught off guard which would boost their scores due to (a thing I've talked about somewhere else before) expectation-based reviewing. Palpek fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Jul 7, 2017 |
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I had no interest in Prey and no idea it had anything to do with Arkane or System Shock style gameplay. I found out way later. Now I'm interested! (when did it come out...)
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Jul 7, 2017 20:20
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Humble Monthly's preview games just showed up and they're NBA 2k17 and Pillars of Eternity, which is an interesting combo. $12 gets you those plus some mystery games in a month.
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Jul 7, 2017 20:59
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Palpek posted:I don't agree. The "genius" Bethesda marketing division didn't lately successfully sell 2 games with their brilliant misleading sales tactics. They sold 1 game and utterly failed to sell the 2nd. They simply badly marketed 2 great games where one ended up reviewing and selling well only because it represented a famous brand and lived up to its legacy while the second game ended up selling poorly because it referred to the ultimately wrong, weak and forgotten brand (Prey), didn't use the actually strong brand the legacy which it represented (System Shock) and offered experience too niche for the target broad market it was marketted for. Doom was successful despite the marketing's failures because everybody knows Doom and the game was good enough to live up to it. Prey didn't have that luck. Yeah, definitely agree with this. I do think that DOOM's success is due to a slingshot effect as the industry at large did a sudden about-face on the game, but that's not really a reproducible model given its unique circumstances (an iconic IP whose last release was pretty poorly received) Prey didn't enjoy this same effect because it's not an iconic brand - it's not even a bad brand, because worse that that, it's a nothing brand. It either conjures up nothing in your head or vague memories of a native american fighting aliens I don't know, I'm not in business, but from an outsider's perspective it feels more like Bethesda Mr. Magoo'd their way into success with DOOM
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Jul 7, 2017 21:49
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This month rewarded me for not buying Hyperlight Drifter yet and marking Galactic Civilizations III 'not interested.'
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WarpDogs posted:Yeah, definitely agree with this. I'm not entirely sure that Doom was even a huge financial success. It's got a pretty good numbers on Steam, but that's after some pretty deep discounts not long after release.
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Jul 7, 2017 22:15
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Also let's not forget that Bethesda clearly thought Doom's multiplayer was going to be the next big thing and bankrolled all that DLC for it.
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Jul 7, 2017 22:38
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Every time I see doom taking up 90 gig I want to delete it, don't care how good it is supposed to be.
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Jul 7, 2017 22:42
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kater posted:Every time I see doom taking up 90 gig I want to delete it, don't care how good it is supposed to be. Hey now, it's only 78.5 It's also super good.
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kater posted:Every time I see doom taking up 90 gig I want to delete it, don't care how good it is supposed to be. Worth it. Japanese Dating Sim posted:Humble Monthly's preview games just showed up and they're NBA 2k17 and Pillars of Eternity, which is an interesting combo. Don't have pillars so hell yeah. How long is it? John Murdoch posted:Also let's not forget that Bethesda clearly thought Doom's multiplayer was going to be the next big thing and bankrolled all that DLC for it. Sigh. I would much rather have a single player expansion. I played multiplayer for 12 hours or so and max leveled. It's not bad. It's just it what I wanted dlc to focus on. strategery fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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Jul 8, 2017 00:36
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strategery posted:Don't have pillars so hell yeah. How long is it? I've got about 65 hours logged and I've only done the one play through. Could do it much quicker if you skip side content, could take longer if you want to do as much as possible.
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kater posted:Every time I see doom taking up 90 gig I want to delete it, don't care how good it is supposed to be. The Hidden Cost of Steam or: Why I Bought a 6TB Drive.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:The Hidden Cost of Steam or: Why I Bought a 6TB Drive. Now that comcast is capping everyone's usage, i can see the value in this. i didn't give a poo poo before because I could have a 50 gb game downloaded in easily under an hour tho to be honest i have no time to replay games ever so w/e. but i've considered buying another 3TB or so harddrive so i dont have to redownload big poo poo like doom (which i did uninstall)
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I bought Rise of the Argonaughts. and it's a pretty drat fun, if a little janky game. Really surprised with it.
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Jul 8, 2017 07:27
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Is death road to canada worth it around 10 euros? Definitely going in on NBA2K17 for 12 bucks. Heard the career mode is fun, and there aren't a lot of good sports games on pc. At least not until super mega baseball 2 comes out.
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ilmucche posted:Is death road to canada worth it around 10 euros? Definitely going in on NBA2K17 for 12 bucks. Heard the career mode is fun, and there aren't a lot of good sports games on pc. At least not until super mega baseball 2 comes out. Yes. The gameplay is solid, and there's tons of replayability, plus the devs have been adding new stuff like crazy lately.
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Palpek posted:I don't agree. The "genius" Bethesda marketing division didn't lately successfully sell 2 games with their brilliant misleading sales tactics. They sold 1 game and utterly failed to sell the 2nd. They simply badly marketed 2 great games where one ended up reviewing and selling well only because it represented a famous brand and lived up to its legacy while the second game ended up selling poorly because it referred to the ultimately wrong, weak and forgotten brand (Prey), didn't use the actually strong brand the legacy which it represented (System Shock) and offered experience too niche for the target broad market it was marketted for. Doom was successful despite the marketing's failures because everybody knows Doom and the game was good enough to live up to it. Prey didn't have that luck.  I wouldn't be surprised if marketing saw what happened and disagreed that it was a good idea, as their foresight over such things were being guessed at by an executive trying to look smart. Maybe that executive is the Founder/President of Arkane Studios who had to resign after Prey sales were so bad. I don't really know but I wouldn't be surprised.
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Anyone know of any fun action RPGs on sale that natively support controllers? So far my list is: Victor Vran Buy a PS4 and Diablo 3
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grim dawn says it has full controller support but ive never tried it e: wait, on sale. welp.
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I didn't specify, but I guess I was looking for both native controller support and Goon-played Seal of Approval  I tried out Grim Dawn actually and the controller support was a little janky, there was some basic function like talking or choosing dialogue options that didn't work properly, but maybe they've fixed it up.
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Zathril posted:Huh, I remember playing this as a flash game tears ago, does the steam version add anything? i'm not sure, there are "freshman trial" and "later story" modes apart from "normal game", and you do have the option of playing it in Chinese. The sequel (Cube Hotel) is also available on Steam as well.
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hampig posted:Anyone know of any fun action RPGs on sale that natively support controllers? By action RPG, do you mean "Diablo-like"? There's a lot of action RPGs that support controllers fine
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DaveKap posted:Ultimately I think Prey's branding, which I agree was what most led to its weak sales (as much credit as I give marketing, they aren't the sole saviors or failures when it comes to game sales,) happened because someone outside of marketing made the decision to co-opt a former IP in order to make it seem like the game was a sequel. You know, that one attribute that apparently makes a game sell more than usual. Wouldn't we hear about this somewhere, though? Or maybe it's not big enough news, not sure. I haven't heard any news of anyone having to leave because of Prey yet. Downs Duck fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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Xaris posted:Now that comcast is capping everyone's usage, I'm not seeing a cap anywhere on my account nor did they send any notification about one being added. 
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A lot of providers in the US have stealth added a 1TB cap. I'm on Cox Communications and, though they don't throttle bandwidth, they've had no limits in the past and have been better than anyone else. Except they too have added a 1TB cap which I had to go investigating to discover I had. It sucks because DOOM is 90Gb, Forza 6 is allegedly 100Gb, any modern game is ~30Gb...
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Evil Fluffy posted:I'm not seeing a cap anywhere on my account nor did they send any notification about one being added. For Comcast Go to Devices it's usually in there near the bottom with the bar graph of data usage over the past few months.
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Stardew valley is on sale, definitely pick that up if you don't already have it!
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ArfJason posted:i felt doom 2 was kind of exhausting. i mean doom 1 is long, but doom 2 is gigantic. Too many labyrinthine city stages imo. Sure. Okay. Yeah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axfCTIwZCJI Also I forgot to actually buy games during the big sale so I picked up Shadows of Mordor and Hollow Knight from the sales that are on now. Silly me.
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Arivia posted:Sure. Okay. Yeah: You're me. I got the same two in the same way. But then I downloaded BallisticNG and haven't played much else.
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Anybody who missed out when Dead Cells had the bigger drops before, it's currently on sale at Nuuvem for 15% off, plus you can get an additional 20% off from there with discount code SORRYGABE. I just picked it up and the total was $11.52 USD.
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Downs Duck posted:Wouldn't we hear about this somewhere, though? Or maybe it's not big enough news, not sure. I haven't heard any news of anyone having to leave because of Prey yet. https://www.polygon.com/2017/6/27/15881164/arkane-studios-founder-leaves-studio-raphael-colantonio
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DaveKap posted:Yeah, you'd hear about it in the news. Thank you. And good if that's the reason why he left.
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duckfarts posted:By action RPG, do you mean "Diablo-like"? There's a lot of action RPGs that support controllers fine Oh yeah of course  But yes, diablo-like is what I meant.
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Anyone have anything to say about my picks from the Humble Store sale before I go ahead and pull the trigger? Monstrum TIS-100 Space Pirates and Zombies Hammerwatch Eldritch A.I. War Collection Sproggiwood $21.98 Any recommendations/words of caution appreciated.
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Chobayt posted:Anyone have anything to say about my picks from the Humble Store sale before I go ahead and pull the trigger? Sproggiwood is 100% A+ good, enjoy it! TIS-100 meanwhile - read the manual first. Please read the manual before buying this game. If it's still looking good, go for it. If not, uh, don't be me and assume that you'll figure it out as you go along. No. It wants you to really learn what it's doing.
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Chobayt posted:Anyone have anything to say about my picks from the Humble Store sale before I go ahead and pull the trigger? I did not like Hammerwatch orr Eldritch. They're... certainly games.. but not particularly amazing or worth playing unlesss you have shittons of free tiem and theres' better games to play. Caveat is certainly get Hammerwatch if you have people to co-op with because any game with co-op is inherently good. Sproggiwood and SPAZ are p solid choice. I dunno about the rest
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Sproggiwood is great but it's good to know that it is more on the puzzle side of Roguelikes. So if you don't want that, well, buy it anyway and then get Caves of Qud, too. Or if you want a sprawling adventure one get Dungeonmans or try out TOME for free. TIS-100 was one of my favorite games last year (and favorite puzzle game in a year where I played Mole Mania) and I'm still kicking myself I got to a certain point near the end and ended it after getting stuck for a few days. Now I've been wanting to go back but just can't find the time! I think the usual retail price is too high (not in the quality way, in the horrible cheap goon way) and I got it as a gift from that one bundle, but it hasn't been bundled since and this is actually one of the deeper sales for it. I'm not anything close to a programmer but I did appreciate some of the logic classes and first year programming classes I took. Besides reading the manual you might want to spoil some of the earlier puzzles and see if it's for you. Agree on passing Hammerwatch, I played it in co-op and it just felt like a bad fan Gauntlet game. I was up to try their Serious Sam one just because but apparently despite showing couch co-op they hadn't added it yet on release.
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Chobayt posted:Anyone have anything to say about my picks from the Humble Store sale before I go ahead and pull the trigger? AI War is a great game I got many hours of play out of. I have a couple concerns to point out, however. It is entirely playable in single player, but the goon community pretty much died of old age, twice. If you want to co-op, you'll have to find some pubbies. And God help you if you try to play without voice chat: the text messages won't show up at all on the galaxy view, iirc. There is no matchmaking either, which means you've got some organizing to do. If you want the co-op I can give you some advice from my time hosting for goons, but I would be quite happy with SP until AI War 2 comes out and revives the community if Arcen manages better netcode after nine years of experience.
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ilmucche posted:Is death road to canada worth it around 10 euros? Definitely going in on NBA2K17 for 12 bucks. Heard the career mode is fun, and there aren't a lot of good sports games on pc. At least not until super mega baseball 2 comes out. Yes. I bought it during the steam sale and have about 8 hours in it over the course of a few days, it's great.
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Chobayt posted:Anyone have anything to say about my picks from the Humble Store sale before I go ahead and pull the trigger? TIS-100 is great but I clicked with the followup, Shenzhen IO a lot more. I mean, they are both puzzle games that involve writing assembly language code so, uhh, only buy them if that appeals to you in some way. I find them awesome. Sproggiwood is a cute as hell roguelike made by a goon. Their other game is "Caves of Qud" if you want something grittier but they're both quite good.
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