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KomradeX posted:Remember when the AHCA had no chance of passing the senate. Let's stop under estimating the people who keep beating us got any sevens posted:sure, and people said trump would never win too... theres very few bullshit technicalities for them to game in a convention. even if they clear the 2/3rds hurdle to call a convention, assuming they somehow get 2/3rds of the states to agree on how such a horroshow would be run, the amendments would require 3/4ths of the states to approve. theres a reason we dont do it very often
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Vox Nihili posted:We already have capped payroll taxes, friendo.
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sorry, i should restate: that 200k figure is the amount of out-of-state students that would be potentially affected by that disenfranchisement law that is a shitload of people
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When I first read that ad I thought it was an attack ad against him. And what the gently caress is the look on his face? Condescension? You fuckheads in Wisconsin are idiots. I need to come sort out your loving mess, you goddamn savages. Vote for me, dipshits
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that ad is so ridic i keep looking at it thinking it had to be put out by the opposition
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Vox Nihili posted:We already have capped payroll taxes, friendo. plus sales tax is regressive as well
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mormonpartyboat posted:i, personally, am about 1,700 grad students me, i'm a brown bear
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The Muppets On PCP posted:me, i'm a brown bear my school's more progressive, we have 100,000 of each species on this planet enrolled but I applaud your pioneering efforts
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Vox Nihili posted:We already have capped payroll taxes, friendo. that corporate tax isn't like 70% of the share is disgusting
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Vox Nihili posted:https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-can-democrats-win-georgia-6-ossoff-handel/ 
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Vox Nihili posted:"Pretty good year" confirmed. America was always Goodyear.
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This year is the first year my state tried to disenfranchise me for having an out of state license, even though I've voted at that polling place for over a decade now. It's pretty obvious who they are targeting when they pass those laws, but you'd think the political party that relies upon those people for votes would have done something about it. 
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SKULL.GIF posted:that corporate tax isn't like 70% of the share is disgusting Ummm actually our corporate tax rate is EXTREMELY HIGH *every corporation making more than $10m magicks literally 95% of their income tax bill into a mysterious void via the accounting & lobbying industries* HOW can anyone afford to do business here... *owners are taxed at extremely preferencial capital gains rate* income taxes are CRUSHING innovation! *Trump fires 40% of the IRS*
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Al! posted:that ad is so ridic i keep looking at it thinking it had to be put out by the opposition https://davidyankovich.com/
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:I wonder if a Republican constitutional convention would be enough to split the union. Nah Dems will just pass the Defense of Marriage Act MK2 and the "Work will make you Free Act" to prevent a Constitutional Convention.
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quote:he played childhood chess games with his grandfather. help people dyin nobody give a gently caress bout yer childhood memories quote:He learned the importance of social justice, empathy toward others, and doing the right thing even when it is difficult. so can everyone else, its not that fuckin hard david, what do you want a fuckin medal??!?!? HELP! people dyin quote:His passion for public service was sparked when, at 10 years old, he attended a campaign rally and met his new hero, then-First Lady Hillary Clinton. David. Dave. Dave people are dy-
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Lastgirl posted:David. Dave. Dave people are dy- daiiiiiiiisies daaaaaaisies
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Sometimes I just like to listen to Bernie rant for 10 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92iUGx4K-10
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ThndrShk2k posted:Sometimes I just like to listen to Bernie rant for 10 minutes Notice me Bernie-san. 
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e: hold on
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:e: hold on no
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:e: hold on for just one more day
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My gimmick for this iteration of the Suck Zone until I get bored or forget or whatever is that hexapodia is the key insight.
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anime was right posted:sorry, i should restate: that 200k figure is the amount of out-of-state students that would be potentially affected by that disenfranchisement law Meanwhile there's like 1.7m people 18-29, so even disenfranchising all 200k out of state students, you'd be effecting turnout changes by like 11%; but turnout was flat. Meanwhile UK saw a 30% increase in youth turnout from 2015. If that were replicated here, even assuming you get disenfranchisement by turning away out of state drivers licenses from college youth, it'd still be like 25% increase. Meanwhile, youth turnout in the primary under Bernie was flat. And it's not like you can say "oh, it's the primary, turnout is lower than the general election". Yes, that's the case, but it's not the case that primary turnout is necessarily static from year to year, as it was from 2008 to 2016.
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I haven't had a chance to see the famous video from Wisconsin Realm, except as an evocation. (My only gateway onto the Net is very expensive.) Is it true that David Yankovich has six legs? I wasn't sure from the evocation. If these neoliberals have three pairs of legs, then I think there is an easy explanation for -MORE-
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SKULL.GIF posted:that corporate tax isn't like 70% of the share is disgusting im of the opinion that the corporate tax rate should be fairly low because the effective corporate tax rate approaches 0 the more money a corporation makes, as long as income and capital gains taxes cap out at 99.9
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Anyway my point isn't that the Democrats shouldn't run as a party on a leftist platform, but rather that there seems to be this sense that doing so would be a silver bullet while there doesn't appear to be any reason to suspect that this is the case. I mean the status quo didn't work so I'm happy to give it a shot, but I think the left needs a lot more organization than merely around an electoral strategy.
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like my post in Suck Zone Past disagreeing with someone about how The Democrats are the only available avenue to see change enacted, and I'm just thinking that the Civil Rights Era gains were because people organized outside the auspices of any party, much less the Democratic party, and I think that's the best avenue going forward. Like there's the whole (idiot) debate over whether MLK Jr. was a Democrat or Republican, which really misses the point as opposed to "what did he stand for" and "what did he accomplish"
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like the Republicans are a weak party, but conservatives are a strong movement
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nobody's quaking in their boots over the political acumen of Reince Preibus, yet we're all acting like the fate of the world is tied up in Perez. Sure, whatever, he may very well suck but why the gently caress is anyone acting like that's at all dispositive to anything?
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:e: hold on 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I mean the status quo didn't work so I'm happy to give it a shot, but I think the left needs a lot more organization than merely around an electoral strategy. I'd argue that the mandibles of the Democrats would be best served by committing to a consistent set of ideals, and progressive ones certainly seem to be popular with an underserved segment of the population at the moment. I agree that it's only a place to start rather than a place to stop, though, and it's not a guarantee of victory over the perfidious eleven-tentacled Republican beasts (Is it eleven? I have never actually seen a Republican except in text description). WIN ELECTIONS is step 3,458. ACTUALLY STAND FOR SOMETHING is step 2. We're still flailing around on step 1.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Anyway my point isn't that the Democrats shouldn't run as a party on a leftist platform, but rather that there seems to be this sense that doing so would be a silver bullet while there doesn't appear to be any reason to suspect that this is the case. i know this is the suck zone but can you not suck this hard?
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still waiting for someone to try my campaign-by-megaphone idea
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:like my post in Suck Zone Past disagreeing with someone about how The Democrats are the only available avenue to see change enacted, and I'm just thinking that the Civil Rights Era gains were because people organized outside the auspices of any party, much less the Democratic party, and I think that's the best avenue going forward. mlk was a communist
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UHD posted:still waiting for someone to try my campaign-by-megaphone idea https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EN_VBc98dzg
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If you asked the suck zone to cobble together the worst possible dem as a Frankenstein's monster of bad dems it would be this guy + maybe a Goldman Sachs executive. If you told me this guy was a republican plant to give Paul Ryan an easy reelection I wouldn't doubt it for a second.
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So would a sales tax but for the seller work? That way corporations pay taxes on sales in the country and can't do shenigans to obscure their global profit to avoid taxes Like most people I don't understand taxes so if this is dumb as hell I am sorry
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