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Jun 21, 2017 23:14
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paranoid randroid posted:Pelosi is chronically overcautious and, while not actively irredeemable, just behind the times in a lot of ways on account of being old. shes no Feinstein, and i tend to credit her with having the awareness necessary to be pushed on issues, but shes just got a lot of baggage and is slow on the uptake is her fighting against singlepayer in her state while claiming she's for trying it on a state by state basis an example of having the awareness necessary to be pushed on the issues, or just two-faced conniving like hillary clinton?
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Jun 21, 2017 23:21
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paranoid randroid posted:Condiv i dont think this is a question you actually are seeking an answer to not really, but i'd still like it if you answered two-faced conniving 
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Jun 21, 2017 23:27
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it would be cool if the millions ossoff wasted being a lifeless loser were instead spent on freezing him in carbonite to be put in karen handel's office
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Jun 21, 2017 23:32
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other things he could've done was spent his megamillions commissioning an episode of rwby staring him and the animes vs the evil haren kandel
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Jun 21, 2017 23:35
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Willa Rogers posted:whiskey the juvenile posted this in the old thread: voter supression is only something dems blame for losing. they don't actually want to fight it
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Jun 21, 2017 23:59
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can't wait till the centrists try to burst out of the dems like macron's party did to the socialist party do you think the concept of centrists as chestbursters from alien makes them more electable?
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Jun 22, 2017 00:41
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tfw when you discover dems are so loyal you can get 38% of the vote even if you have no actual candidate our democracy is a giant farce
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Jun 23, 2017 08:07
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 that the dems think they'll bring ACA back after AHCA passesjust  you loving idiots you had your chance for a corporate handout and you made it to handouty and now it's dead
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Jun 23, 2017 14:59
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putincept? is the intercept actually materially connected to russia or are bad dems calling anyone who dares to question their beliefs russians?
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Jun 23, 2017 16:45
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Nonsense posted:jus lol @ criticizing Willa for being cynical and a boomer when there are loving 35 year olds on this dead gay forum tellin us for years dumbshits like Ossoff were gonna win the heartland and for you 20 somethings to get into line
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Jun 23, 2017 17:56
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my uncle turned himself kinda blue with colloidal silver. he wanted to look young forever and heard it was great for that. he still looks p young these days (though he's more grey than blue now after so many years). i just dunno why a guy that looks like he could be santa would want to turn into papa smurf? as blue as he is, he's obviously still using, and he's got no youth to protect 
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Jun 23, 2017 18:01
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Dairy Days posted:im having a hard time balancing their tendancy to blow any tidbit that could be tangentially related to trump / russia outta the water like its the goddamn cold war vs not really saying anything at all about well documented & presently occurring crimes committed by the russian government how about they say at least one thing about the crimes being committed againt americans daily by their government and legislators. the mortality rate for young people is ticking up for the first time in a long time for example. when are dems gonna talk about addressing that with better healthcare instead of telling us to go gently caress ourselves?
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Jun 23, 2017 18:39
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Vox Nihili posted:100% chance that it's sourced, 99.99% chance that its either MGP distillate or Canadian quote:While she did not become our 45th President, Hillary Rodham Clinton’s success leading up to the most recent election inspired the folks at Republic Restoratives in DC to release a blended rye whiskey in tribute. So many elements of this particular bottling speak to the unwavering strength and poise shown by the former First Lady; for example, the final blend was cut to proof using water from a New York maple syrup farm in honor of her prior NY Senate experience. Rye was chosen as the predominant grain because, as distillery co-owner Pia Carusone has noted, it is one of the most “resilient” to work with, drawing parallels to Clinton’s political career. hey whoa, a passing 3/5. this rye is clearly more competent than hillary
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maple syrup tree farms are known for their especially delicious water
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punk rebel ecks posted:Is it wrong that I feel that the media and general discourse isn't focusing on Hillary's return to the spotlight meltdown enough? She comes back and refuses to take responsibility for anything while blaming everyone and everything else on her loss. Like what the gently caress that is so pathetic and shows signs of very poor leadership. nope
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Raskolnikov38 posted:man that fraction sure does show up an awful lot with the clintons it took me entirely too long to get this 
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muscular moderation is better than sissy socialism
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i can't wait for radical centrism and muscular moderation to bring the radical muscularist wing of the party into power
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Jun 23, 2017 21:20
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when he himself is made of carbon.gif
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Jun 23, 2017 21:26
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remember when hillary was doin this to bernie
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what was it? "people who live in coffee houses shouldn't throw covfefe"?
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Jun 24, 2017 00:32
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STFU about Single Payer. People's health care is at risk right now, especially millions of women and POC. Shut up about your purity legislation that would disproportionately help white people, and potentially would hurt the same people trying to save the ACA. Stop making GBS threads on people who are doing real work to save some lives. For once, look in the loving mirror, learn some humility, and start working, or shut up, step aside, and never speak again.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I get, in light of everything, why the push for single payer is important, and the momentum towards positive change is definitely in its favor, vs. something like French multipayer. actually singlepayer would help people trapped in the gig economy cause they would have benefits and health care! regardless, no-ones making singlepayer the entirety of their pitch. the dems refuse to have a pitch, and the left has a plethora of ideas aside from singlepayer the thirdwayers deride as childish and unpragmatic. Condiv has issued a correction as of 13:30 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:again, if people voted on that basis, we'd be living in a very different world this would be great criticism if anyone was doing anything like that. centrists sure aren't, cause their campaigns are so devoid of substance they have no centerpiece except "face a slower death with me!!" leftists are all about putting more money in your pocket and trying to help PoC tho
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docbeard posted:And yes, a lot of those obstacles are among our supposed Democratic allies, and it's probably time we stopped pretending that wasn't the case, too.  i never want to hear someone say "nancy pelosi supports singlepayer!" again. she very obviously doesn't and she and the dem establishment are gaslighting the left again after they attempted to do away with singlepayer as a goal in 2016
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:even for those people who understand why they need health coverage even if they're not sick, the material gains from having that seem less than like, say, guarantees of good employment speaking as someone who had a nice little period of insurancelessness for 6 years, this is not true. even though i didn't get anything terrible during that time, if I had any kind of issue I just had to hope it wasn't something more severe cause i sure as gently caress couldn't afford to get it checked. i remember when i first learned i have winter eczema, a patch appeared on my arm and kept growing over weeks, and not knowing what it was i had no idea what to do. worse, it was turning yellow and gross looking., so i was freaked the hell out that I had some sort of skin fungus and that I was literally rotting away while living. my dad finally spotted me $100 so i could see a dermatologist and I learned I needed special lotions in winter to keep my skin healthy, but i was lucky that I had parents that could do that for me. any young person without health insurance almost certainly goes through the same (unless they're the biggest idiot on earth) thanks to how insanely expensive treatment is without insurance.
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i finally have insurance now because i moved to a country that gives everyone who works health insurance, and better yet which has medicine and doctors that aren't so expensive that you can't afford them even without insurance. that we're still having the argument about whether we need to move on past ppaca and it's insurance plans with $10k deductibles is insane to me, and that dems are our worst enemy on this is infuriating
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I mean I don't think there are any downsides to single payer, political or policy-wise, in 2017 you certainly cannot be a neoliberal and be in favor of singlepayer. neoliberal economics decries all government spending as waste.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I see the rehabilitation of Tony Blair is proceeding nicely he's lying to improve his appeal in these times where neoliberalism is being equated with literally burning the poor for a quick buck. this should have been super obvious to you though since we're discussing a man who lied to his country so he could kill iraqis with his best pal gwb quote:Neoliberalism (neo-liberalism)[1] refers primarily to the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism.[2]:7 These include extensive economic liberalization policies such as privatization, fiscal austerity, deregulation, free trade, and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society.[10] These market-based ideas and the policies they inspired constitute a paradigm shift away from the post-war Keynesian consensus which lasted from 1945 to 1980.[11][12] i know hillary fans like to pretend that neoliberal isn't an actual word with an actual definition, but singlepayer and neoliberals are fundamentally incompatible Condiv has issued a correction as of 16:44 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:you're fundamentally saying that neoliberalism only exists in America, which we know is wrong uhh no. how do you even think that?
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the most hosed up thing about "singlepayer is for helping white people!!!" argument is the how many black people don't have adequate healthcare and don't have adequate insurance. my ex-roomate was black, and he and I went seperate ways 8 or 9 years ago. 4 years ago, i heard from his girlfriend that he had died. he had had an asthma attack and he couldn't afford an emergency inhaler. back when he and i were living together, there used to be an otc inhaler you could get from walmart that he used. apparently they stopped selling that and he didn't really have any way to treat his asthma anymore. and one day he had a nasty attack and suffocated. if we had singlepayer he'd still be alive. if we had sane drug pricing and otc laws, he'd still be alive. over here, i can buy an emergency inhaler, no prescription, for approximately $15. there's just no reason he had to die, and it's entirely the US' hosed up healthcare system to blame for his entirely avoidable death Condiv has issued a correction as of 17:20 on Jun 24, 2017 |
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Fallen Hamprince posted:given how much resistance to welfare programs is rooted in poor whites not liking it when the government spends money on people who don't look like them it's quite possible that solving racism would enable single payer that's why we spend money on everyone instead of means testing things to death
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Fallen Hamprince posted:they aren't mad that rich people aren't getting welfare too, they're mad that other poor people who "don't deserve it" are getting welfare that's republicans you're talking about. we're not trying to get their votes cause that's dumb
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logikv9 posted:should combine the dnd dem thread and this dem thread and just leave it in dnd at this point hey that's my thread! keep your big government mitts off!
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Willa Rogers posted:lol, that reddit post hit all the lanyard talking points: yeah, the r/ess people are deep up their own rear end. they also control the r/democrats sub, so you get a weird situation where the subreddit for the democratic party has a measly 20k subscribers and sanders4president having 250k. they're real salty about that too
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etalian posted:Anthem will be cease Obamacare coverage for rust belt states in 2018: i can't believe bernie and his bros did this!!
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anime was right posted:thats probably a super paranoid take but i mean... them dishonestly opposing singlepayer like this at least makes it obvious they care about being a part of the dem establishment more than they care about access to healthcare for women.
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