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https://twitter.com/RoseAnnDeMoro/status/879012378108510208 from that article, apparently rendon sees singlepayer as a 2018 ballot issue gently caress him and gently caress that. he has the votes for singlepayer now and instead he wants to dangle it in front of voters so he can get more votes. then he'll block it again anyway i loving hate the democrats so much right now
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:A single payer referendum in the midterm would cause high turn out. But aren't the Dems pretty safe in CA? they want more seats so they can more effectively block single payer
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this was posted in r/democrats Radicalism at Home and Abroad- Sanders, Trump, and Destability Tactics in Russia- Part2 quote:Keeping the United States in a perpetual state of crisis is a tremendous boon to the Russians. This crisis is used by the far left to drum up support for the causes they hold dear. As Tad Devine, senior adviser to the Bernie Sanders campaign and deposed Ukrainian dictator Victor Yanukovych once said, "Crisis is our brand". quote:In America, we are experiencing many problems with so- called progressives who are still insisting, in the face of the overwhelming evidence that keeps piling up, that "the Russia thing" is simply a distraction from the main issue, that in their view being how the DNC cheated Bernie Sanders. These people are doing the entire human race a grand disservice. they really love this psychotic trash for some reason, even though the piece consistently claims links between putin and bernie sanders but never backs them up. anyway, it seems the hillary faithful are going well off the deep-end and calling anyone who doesn't align with them completely russian synchophants.
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quote:I would say most poor whites are lazy losers or made poor personal decisions. Not all, but most. But don't worry, us Democrats want to raise your minimum wage. Condiv has issued a correction as of 01:30 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Entropy238 posted:Hi Amerigoons. Is there an actual realistic chance that Mark Zuckerberg is going to run for president in 2020? yes, he's doing a lot of steps a classical politician would to warm up for a run for example, he's suddenly and without reason given up athiesm
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u shouldn't support yankovich his name just screams kremlin goblin, and we gotta be super careful and vigilant about those these days
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David Yankovich is a regular guy. He’s not rich. He’s not famous. He’s not a politician. He just recently moved to Wisconsin (from Russia).
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GalacticAcid posted:yankovich sounds ukrainian to me idk parts of ukraine just recently became russian 
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can we have a non-racist mock the dems?
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apparently hillary is releasing a children's book version of "it takes a village" i wonder how cute the slaves in the book will look
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Al! posted:nobody actually believes that was impromptu right i did, and now you're making me feel bad 
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is anyone else getting pissed about dems using the rhetorical trick of screaming about the deaths the GOP legislation will cause, but completely ignoring the same argument when it comes to them voting down singlepayer cause "who will pay for it?!" why do dems care about the millions currently insured losing their worthless insurance, but don't give a poo poo about giving the millions of uninsured worthwhile healthcare? why do they feel like they can take a moralist stance on the GOP's fuckery and then turn around and behave immorally in the same way?
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like, can you even bother with the lesser evil argument? when dems gain too much power, they become carbon copies of republicans, protecting cops that murder PoC, gerrymandering and selling influence and favors, trying to nuke social security and medicare, veto singlepayer so poor people can continue to die, veto minimum wage increases and marijuana legalization, own slaves and advocate for slavery, defend republicans and ballwash them when they're inconvenienced, etc.. at this point, the best i can say about dems is that they're more polite about their racism. they still ignore the laws, ignore their constituents, and ignore their duties as representatives
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do dems have any policy positions nowadays other than megadonor money is good and politicians can take as much as they want?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:ignoring bill, i dont think most democrats are republican carbon copies but they're loving stupid beyond all belief and are terrified of actually doing anything with their power when they have it. they're so afraid of appearing partisan they let the republicans run roughshod i don't believe they're terrified anymore. i believe they literally do not want these things. that's why they've moved from "singlepayer would be nice but it's unachievable right now" to "singlepayer will never ever ever happen!!"
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Frijolero posted:Start with yourself pls rude
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Concerned Citizen posted:hard to really call it a "massive push" when they never even finished the bill. the never passed the funding mechanism through the senate, which would require a 2/3rds vote. and they didn't bother because the governor would just veto it anyway so why'd they have to kill it prematurely, instead of letting it run its course? if the dems kill a singlepayer bill, in a state they have a supermajority in, it really shows they have no intention whatsoever to pass singlepayer. ever.
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Concerned Citizen posted:the bill essentially died in the senate when they couldn't find enough votes to pass it there with a supermajority, and it had no prospect for passage in the assembly. the governor is a hippy weirdo who believes we should live in tiny wooden huts in a forest to preserve our planet, so he's gonna veto it too. so rendon killed it because he'd rather take all the heat for it dying than subject his members to dealing with a zombie bill. it passed the senate, it got shelved in the assembly instead of even being debated. i thought you were paid to know this kind of stuff? quote:Although the Senate approved the measure earlier this month on a 23-14 vote and if rendon killed it to take the heat, well i hope he's ready to lose his seat over it. because he deserves to Condiv has issued a correction as of 17:55 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:jerry brown is a weirdo who advocated for a balanced budget amendment in 1980. he once had the campaign slogan "protect the earth, serve the people and explore the universe." he campaigned on "democracy with limits." he basically does not fall into any real ideological bucket, he just has some strange esoteric beliefs that inform his beliefs. or he has no actual beliefs and will say whatever he thinks will get him votes (except if it interferes with him getting bribes!)
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dems have a supermajority in the assembly, but somehow they can't scrounge together enough votes to pass a singlepayer bill by a dem governor. this can't be because dems don't want singlepayer! it's just cause we haven't elected enough dems yet!!
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Concerned Citizen posted:you misunderstand. the senate bill passed 23-14. you need 27 votes in the ca senate to pass a tax increase, which would be needed in a single payer bill. so they only passed a skeleton bill without funding mechanisms (which would need a majority). they didn't have the ability to pass the entire bill through the senate. the senate is generally considered easier for single payer than the assembly, so this was a bad sign. they have a supermajority. why can they not pass anything at all? how many more democrats have to be in power before democrats start passing democratic legislation instead of republican legislation and compromises with republicans!? you have trump about to try to inflict insurancelessness on a poo poo ton of people, and instead of california dems shielding their constituents they're sitting with their thumbs up their asses and killing bills prematurely cause they answer to bribes more than they answer to their constituents.
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Concerned Citizen posted:democratic supermajority != progressive supermajority. it's that simple. it's not a grand plan, it's just that too many legislators don't want to pass it. in this case it only takes a few. too many democratic legislators are taking too many bribes you mean, including supposed singlepayer proponent rendon who shielded his slimy friends. i hope he and every one of these worthless dems get voted out. also, this drives home why it's worthless to vote for centrists as a lesser of two evils. cause they will stab you in the back all the same while trying to lie to you about it
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"i support single payer, but we need to try it at a county level first"- the democrats
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 this is more pressing than singlepayer!!https://twitter.com/Rendon63rd/status/879743321324740612
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Bip Roberts posted:Hmm he should have just canceled everything imo. well, he obviously blocked debate on singlepayer so he could get more time for bills like these. cause it's not like he doesn't support singlepayer right?
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Concerned Citizen posted:i don't think anyone here actually believes a supermajority of democrats means there's a supermajority for everything progressives want no matter how much you bleat about it. there's a majority, not a supermajority. you need a supermajority. the only realistic path for such an overhaul is going to be a 2018 initiative i thought centrists were supposed to be a group we can compromise with. why do we need a supermajority of progressives for a bill to even be debated? are they really our allies?
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isn't it strange how centrists are using the same tactics on us as republicans use on them? and republicans are the mortal enemies of centrists, right? what does that make us?
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Concerned Citizen posted:no one ever said "if we have a supermajority of democrats we will have single payer" ever, you literally just invented that democrats have in fact told people that they can't pass singlepayer cause there aren't enough democrats in power. now we learn that we got the wrong democrats! these ones are republican democrats and we need to return them cause they're as obstructionist as their republican buddies!
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logikv9 posted:actually not voting + yelling at the pollster when i get randomly chosen for polls is the best way forward i don't know why i should be voting for people that hate me and my demographic though? if democrats want the poor to die from lack of healthcare, how is me voting for them helping?
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like, why would i give more power to the wing of the party that's dedicated to keeping everything terrible and can't wait to lose to trump again? i should use my vote to strengthen my wing of the party and let the obstructionist wing die off
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deadgoon posted:vote for leftists in the primary and if they don't win write in their names in the general this if centrist dems refuse to work with leftists at all, then voting for them only gives them more power to obstruct our agenda. the better idea is to let the centrists die off
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Concerned Citizen posted:you don't vote for democrats, you vote for people. try voting for good ones but when i don't want to vote for the bad ones who block everything and are hugging friends with republican monsters, i get told i'm being irresponsible and the lesser of two evils is something i must always vote for!
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"you can have singlepayer when you've completely taken over the democratic party and not a second before" - concerned citizen, democrats
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Concerned Citizen posted:You can have single payer when you elect enough single payer supporters to pass legislation regardless of their party what about a debate on the bill? i thought blocking debate on a bill was an evil tactic evil republicans used evilly? why are dems using it against their "allies"? allow me to amend my statement: "you can have a say in legislation once you've completely taken over the democratic party and not a second before" - concerned citizen, democrats
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Bip Roberts posted:I mean or don't vote I guess. or vote only for leftists that i approve of and hope the centrists lose their seats
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Bip Roberts posted:Well clearly everyone should be primaried. everyone in the ca state assembly should yes. especially rendon
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Scent of Worf posted:anyone remember that poster who said he wanted to see entire rural small towns exterminated or something? it was a very funny post and id like to read it again iirc that was whiskey juvenille
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UHD posted:even the ones that would vote for single payer or are you just feeling extra saucy today maybe those good assemblymen can indicate their goodness somehow. maybe by speaking out against rendon, or trying to get him to unshelve the bill loving ro khanna has figured this poo poo out, why can't the reptilian centrists figure out how the triangulation they supposedly love works?
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"The path to singlepayer and a public option is the ACA!!!" - Nancy Pelosi pelosi you loving idiot you had 8 years to get a public option out that ship sailed. you loving idiots could've campaigned on a public option with hillary and won, but it was more important for hillary to give tax credits to entrepreneurs with student loans
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