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Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/877389756979695616

Hello everyone and welcome to another roaring episode of "Democrats keep losing to people with 30% approval ratings"! This time I'm going to actually try and keep the OP up to date with recent news such as.....

-Ossof has lost the GA-6 race. Getting exactly the same amount of votes as he did in the primary and the literal ghost candidate that ran before him

-Every other democrat running in an important special election has lost as well; with some like Quist vastly outperforming Hillary by 20 points.

-In general the mood in the loose coalition that comprises the establishment is "far more silent than usual" more than likely due to the repeated close losses despite the GOP shooting themselves in the dick constantly

-"When they go low we go high" is now dead with even fools like Neera realizing that respectability politics is pointless

-THE ABSOLUTE BOY'S (Corbyn) win in the UK against all odds combined with how well Quist did over Ossof paints an ever more clear picture that the path to power for the democratic party runs through Bernie Would Have Won Land

Some fun websites to pass yer time on~

http://www.dsausa.org/

https://ourrevolution.com/

https://justicedemocrats.com/

https://www.indivisibleguide.com/

https://swingleft.org/

Good recommended reading for you and friends~

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/how-democrats-killed-their-populist-soul/504710/

https://newrepublic.com/article/130737/democrats-still-dont-get-george-mcgovern

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-goodbye-and-good-riddance-to-centrism-w487628

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-the-democrats-need-a-new-message-w484569

If you have any suggestions for the OP feel free to post em' or PM me. Now....go! Let the Suck come back to life!

Venom Snake has issued a correction as of 22:16 on Jun 21, 2017

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Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

ex post facho posted:

maybe also mention in the OP that corbyn just achieved a massive upset against (once again) establishment predictions and polling by doing the exact things that establishment dems refuse to do here lol

Excellent idea

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Vox Nihili posted:

heres the dude running against Randy "Ironstache" Bryce



Wow.....what a square!!






sorry sorry I'm trying to remove it

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Why was the old thread closed?

I wanted to make a new OP and the old thread was getting kinda stale.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
For this incarnation of the Suck Throne our official ideology is Houxtraism.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
Pelosi should retire if only because the dems need to try something new so why the hell not

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Main Paineframe posted:

the first one isnt wrong

Pelosi is just fine as a House leader, and most of the House reps pushing for her replacement are conservative Dems whose only stated rationale for replacing her is that she's too demonized by the right and might be scaring off moderate Republican votes

i don't think it's sexism, but "we should replace this person because Republicans dislike them" is about the ordinary level of idiocy I'd expect from Bad Dems, and there's more House Dems to her right than to her left so her replacement would likely be to the right of her

Around 51% of the dem caucus in the house voted for a medicare for all bill (which went nowhere but w/e) so nah there's plenty of people to replace her loser rear end

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

paranoid randroid posted:

hot take but "how badly will this own randos i dislike on twitter" is not a good reason to do anything

I don't think it's about that and more about we need to try something, anything else

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

paranoid randroid posted:

doing poo poo at random at the behest of Bill Kristol and Sean Hannity is still a bad idea

I don't care if they want that but continuing business as usual isn't sustainable.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
I like Chuck :shobon:

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Willa Rogers posted:

^^^ I don't know what this means.


Look, I put in 40 years for the dems, and I'm still involved in issues activism like single-payer. I think it's great that some of you are involved in state-party politics and other intraparty activities and I loved reading the trip reports of activism in VS's thread.

I've detached because it's my coping mechanism, and because I want to believe that something better will come about down the road. And I just don't see that happening outside of a radical restructuring of the country's political processes.

:unsmith:

I think ultimately that reforming the dems into a right and proper leftist party is absolutely feasible if only because when even people who swore off the party before like the Chapo boys now want to get involved in it's reconstruction.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Willa Rogers posted:

the combo of greenwald & a media outlet that dares to call out dem corruption.

Bad dems, and the outlets that echo them, have cut off critiques from the left and that's been the case over the last decade or so. By marginalizing and minimizing those critiques bad dems can dismiss it by smearing it as putinesque or stealth-gop or infiltration by enemy forces--but they sound increasingly unhinged when they do so, and they further alienate potential voters or dem voters who are not happy with either the status quo or the party's tonedeaf actions.

Greenwald sucks rear end but in general the intercept is a good media outlet.



It's so insanely frustrating that people like this get a say in things while people like me get sidelined for being to young and inexperienced :(

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

This is galaxy brain as hell and I love it

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Joementum posted:

my prediction is that neither Hillary nor Bernie will launch a formal 2020 campaign

my track record with predictions in 2016 was extremely good btw

If it looks like the field is full of clowns I wouldn't past hill to run and then subsequently lose to those clowns. MOM might make an appearance again

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
I'm extremely excited to see Booker and Cuomo blow 200 million dollars and get like 5,000 votes tops

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Agnosticnixie posted:

Ellison would have to push hard to make it an issues campaign because I do worry a lot of media would go apoplectic at both his faith and his positions on things like Israel.

Chuck Schumer actively defended him so I don't really think it would be a big issue. Israel also isn't exactly thrilled with the Trump admin either.

Fun Fact: Jared and Ivanka have not spoken to their rabbi in months and he wrote an article calling them out about it

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Joementum posted:

oh right, I forgot. it's gonna be zuck and we're all hosed

https://twitter.com/SimonMaloy/status/878447102384369668

If there's anything corn farmers love more it's technocrats with weird faces

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
Id be far more worried about zuck if centrist technology obessors were good at anything other than losing

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

anime was right posted:

he still talks like a total doofus

which is exactly what the centrists want so idk

Put yourself in the mind of an iowan corn farmer or black church goer and ask how much you love zuck. Now consider why I don't think he's going to win the primary lol

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
Virgil Texas has a higher chance of winning the democratic primary than zuck does.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
oh god I just realized the first dem debate is going to have like 16 loving candidates in it hahahahahah

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Raskolnikov38 posted:

this is how zuckerburg beats ellison, by going hard in on israel

That would probably work if the most powerful jewish senator wasn't an ellison backer

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

logikv9 posted:

should combine the dnd dem thread and this dem thread and just leave it in dnd at this point

How could you betray me like this

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
I'm going to drive the centrists into the sea

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Homeless Friend posted:

actually republicans are doing that

Raising sea levels doesn't count

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/ThisWeekABC/status/878971240937005058

Chuck will save us from the Zuck

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

GodFish posted:

chuck good????

He backed Ellison. His biggest interest is in building the party to win elections and he clearly understands that the Obama/Hillary wing has failed to deliver anything other than defeat

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Joementum posted:

would be interesting to know which economic message wall streets favorite senator wants to pursue

Honest Question: What do you think caused him to go from "For ever blue collar vote we lose....." to backing Ellison and actually being self aware about the partys failings?

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Shear Modulus posted:

im an engineer with a political science degree does that mean i outrank her

I recently met with the head of my department and discovering he had similar politics as me as a real fuckin trip because normally engineering departments are filled with pro-business assholes (my major is industrial engineering)

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
Current mood Iv been able to gather from my short time in Northern VA is everyone wants Northam to move his rear end to the left because if the Kill All Poors bill passes VA is going to get reamed. Also the Alexandria shooting has a lot of people shook since political violence is probably going to get more common here.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Willa Rogers posted:

How do you do, fellow progressives?


Within a month, the Democratic party will present a “strong, bold, sharp-edged and common-sense economic agenda” to underpin its efforts against Donald Trump and Republicans in Congress, Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer said on Sunday.

***

Amidst that work, Schumer said, he had been “talking to Trump voters”. During a recent visit to Yankee Stadium in New York City, he said, he watched baseball from a seat next to a “truck driver” wearing clothing that bore a Trump campaign message: “I’m proud to be a deplorable voter.”

***

“This economic message platform is going to resonate. It’s what we were missing and it’s not going to be baby steps: it’s going to bold. We’re coming out with it this summer, within a month. You will see it and Democrats will try to pass it legislatively for a year and campaign on it in 2018."

Chuck go on cum town

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

I was at that rally :suicide:

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
If Zuck runs on a nominally left new deal democrat platform I'm going to grit my teeth harder than I ever have in my life if he's the most far left primary candidate

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Main Paineframe posted:

"maybe the billionaire CEO will be leftist and pro-worker" - the suck zone

he's a walking incarnation of "social liberal, fiscal conservative", I guarantee it

Generally personal wealth has had little to do with where presidents fall on the left/right axis historically. The issue with ZUCK is he's a creepy techlord not that he's rich.

This is also why I think the "BUT BERNIE HAS WEALTH????? VACATION HOMES REEEEEEE" poo poo is so loving stupid; FDR/New Deal democrats were not poor.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/879775738341105664

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
I think people getting politically engaged and protesting is good even if they are layering some cringe culture thing on top of it. One of the reasons we are in this shitshow is the majority of the population just sitting around not giving a poo poo.

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

fits my needs posted:

*dresses up like a wizard*

A gryffindor can not stand by and let such evil stand!

expecting- uh......patriots! yeah

drat these people for getting out there and trying to affect positive change in a costume I don't like!!!

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
dril tweets for some, jokes about tiny hands for others

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

punk rebel ecks posted:

I refuse to believe that he wasn't paid by the Clinton campaign to shill on here.

You will be amazed what people will do for free














also lol @ SA being relevant enough to pay for posts on

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Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/880456602330988545

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