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chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

The aversion to coping is like the relatively modern aversion to "settling" but a million times worse.

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chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Koyaanisgoatse posted:

countdown until the incels think that wearing rompers is the new chad thing to do

Excuse you, they are rompims when worn by men. Because that renaming is a thing that must be done because fragile masculinity. Just like man buns.

But really rompers are terrible and should not be worn by anyone who is not a literal toddler.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Wouldn't they hate mormonism on the basis of it being "hypergamy"?

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Pick posted:

I mean I think even a lot of our generation is going to hit our 40s and go "oh my god"

Nah, being alone and working your life away out of fear and being always on call will just be accepted as the new normal.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Literally A Person posted:

I would argue that this transcends gender. All of us have been told that we need to be barbie and ken. It's rough sometimes because quite often dudes won't even get that kinda poo poo out in the air for fear of being stigmatized.

Then again there are non-mentally ill ways to deal with these feelings.

Male body image issues are also in kind of a weird place because bringing it up can lead to pushback that it is trying to downplay an issue that disproportionately affects women. Which is a fair thing to say because there are people who actually do try to bring it up for that exact purpose.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Someone should tell that guy the classic recipe for irresistible pheromones.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

My wrist circumference is a mere 6". Time to throw in the towel, I guess.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Kullik posted:

ah, the good ol' "people on facebook/instagram/twitter have interesting lives and mine is so boring" story.
It cant be that they only post the interesting parts of their lives and leave out what they had on their breakfast sandwich or the 8 hours working retail or any of that poo poo, they must just be better people than me.

In the case of incels that last part is actually true, but for other people it's just another case of social media having been a mistake.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

I know I shouldn't be surprised that they consider the basic courtesy of holding the door open for the people behind you to be cucking yourself somehow, but still.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Palpek posted:

Apparently there are more of those:





A modern day Goofus and Gallant.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

BrigadierSensible posted:

Let's imagine that an incel gets his wish.

They fall into the perfect relationship with a hot 14, (eww, but that's what incels want) year old submissive virgin who is incredibly intelligent, can discuss anime and video games, is content discussing nothing else, can cook, clean and will happily and enthusiastically sexually service said incel as many times as he wants.

(I know this is an insane fantasy, but lets imagine anyway.)

I reckon that incels are so mentally damaged that they would break up with her in about a week over some real or imagined slight that they would blame both on her for being a Stacy and themselves for being ugly, (mostly her though.)

"What?? My dinner is 5 minutes late! This means you must be loving 17 Chads and then licking their cum off toilet seats! You are just like all the others, It's over!"

Reminder that incels don't actually want what they really want people to think they want.

They want Chad. Which is perfectly fine, they should just be honest about it.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Literally A Person posted:

:eyepop:

The beginning of the legend???

Chad did not begin. Chad has always been, and will always be.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Literally A Person posted:

One other thing from your post:


This, it seems, is an extremely potent combination. It's almost as if young men need guidance from a person that is generally a decent human being when they are being bombarded by media portrayals of "masculinity" all the loving time.

On the subject of media portrayals of masculinity, I am guessing this is more likely me just noticing it more, but it seems like male-focused advertising and product/service naming has gotten more prevalent and stupid of late. Like if it's intended for men some service needs to be "executive" or prefaced with man-, or like soap needs to be tough and aggressive and annihilates dirt or stuff like that. It's soap! It's like >99% identical to soap marketed to women, it just smells worse.

But that's just fragile masculinity for you. To relate it to incels, they absolutely are heavily influenced by media masculinity, but there's no way they'd ever find anything that seriously discusses it because that's basically feminist literature.

chumbler fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Aug 6, 2017

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Literally A Person posted:

As a duder, I will say that it can be kinda hard to figure out what is masculine in a pretty rapidly changing societal landscape. This kind of poo poo is just trying to keep us trapped in the same circular logic about masculinity we have been in for years. One, much like the logic women are trapped in, that leaves us with little choice of how to interact with society at large.

it's p lame.

I am also a duder for the record. But yeah, even the weak attempts to "rebrand" masculinity are still laser focused on framing everything around strength and individuality which really fixes nothing. At the very least defining masculinity in part around self destructive things like alcohol or jobs nobody should be doing or should at least be done more safely needs to go away.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

green chicken feet posted:

This is by far the better version of the shooting comic. We all know Chad would be better at everything, including murder.


I dig it.

Chad would even be better at being an incel.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Koyaanisgoatse posted:

old political cartoons own



All turtles should be renamed Ograbmes now.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010


I think this one missed the point.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010


Holy poo poo.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Ghostlight posted:

Media plays a huge part in that. I remember I thought I was 'behind' at the age of 17 and that was entirely because while at school my peers dating seemed to just be them hanging out together during lunch, movies and television were showing me that there was no line between that kind of dating and getting drunk at a party and banging. The reality is that some of them may have, but probably for most it was just like second-base before they broke up and started hanging out with someone else. The reality I had in my head of what everyone else was doing when I didn't see them was that of American teen movies so even if my friends did lie to make themselves seem more experienced I would've just thought they were downplaying what actually happened for my benefit. That was all pre-internet too.

If you'd ask them they'd claim they're too smart to be passively influenced by the media, without realizing they've directly defined their lives by it.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010


What is even going on here?

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Incels, or anyone really but most probably already do it by default, at bare minimum need to sit down with themselves and ask the question "Would you be interested in you?" If the answer is no (which it is), then your options are either change to make it a yes, or accept that you're going to be alone. Plenty of people do the latter, but you still have to reach an answer to that question.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

SaltyJesus posted:

Heh. What when the answer is "I barely manage to live with myself" but other people are interested? I seem to be well liked at work; I keep fit and in the past two months I've received compliments on my hair and clothes from a friend, a neighbor, and some colleagues on different occasions so I know I'm not a cave troll (though one of the first things I did when I moved into this apartment is to throw out the only wall mirror and buy a small one that I can put away so I don't have to look at myself when not necessary); I'm well traveled and I've picked up a few conventionally attractive hobbies (foreign languages, guitar, cooking - I occasionally get complimented on those too, or asked for help translating / to prepare a dish for events etc.) before I realized that all the self-improvement in the world won't regrow whatever piece of my soul atrophied long ago. I still work hard to get better at all of it but mostly for my own satisfaction and some lingering, mistaken sense that simply getting better at stuff so people are "interested in me" means anything when I can barely bring myself to talk to people outside of professional situations or being office-sociable.

You sound just uninterested in relationships then, which is fine. I'm not really seeing the issue here.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

I recommend against listening to the f plus episode about real dolls (or plush toys). I made that mistake and I don't think I'm going to feel good for a long time.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

I am guessing probably the majority are privileged white people, and isn't the minecraft guy basically a rich incel? Aside from that there also seems to be a huge amount of internalized racism among those who have said they aren't white. None of that sets foot in incel territory without a heaping helping of misogyny as a defining trait, though.

Also, regarding the "even x socially undesirable person can get a partner and I can't" thing, what a person does with it depends on personality. Some take it as a call to better themselves, but a lot just see it as an indictment of how much they suck and should just give up. Incels take it to blaming Stacies and Chads.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

noether posted:

I did not heed your advice and now I am irreparably scarred. the guy who pointed out how bone-chilling the combination of gritty details about fetish poo poo and the cutesy saccharine tone everyone talks in was right on the money. yeesh.

That and they're pretending/believing the objects are alive and love them while they're doing serial killer poo poo to them. And I am going to try to purge any thoughts about this subject because it is stomach turning.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Remember, incels don't want what they say they want. They want to set up ways to externally justify being losers and thereby be right.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Benny Harvey posted:

So then why are you talking about academic success? :smuggo:

(Jk, I have a worthless humanities degree too)

Actually, I have a friend of a friend who fits this mold pretty well. Pretty smart guy, 6-figure salary in programming or something similar. He's not even that stereotypically nerdy when you see him: in reasonably good shape, clean, short hair and while he's hardly particularly fashionable his dress sense is at least inoffensive. Regardless, he's clueless with women to the point of saying to a mutual friend that he accepts that he'll die alone. As far as I know he's not even bitter about his life.

Well poo poo that's almost me, except I don't know your friend and have long hair. Eventually you hit the age where you're too old to start or you know suspect the odds of finding someone are low enough (mainly from having a job that eats up time and you putting in minimal effort) that you live with it and find something else to do. Incels just use misogyny as that something else.

Like there's people who are bad at relationships, romantic or otherwise, who will spend the bulk of their lives alone, but they don't become incels without huge amounts of misogyny.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

BrigadierSensible posted:

If the pictures are correct, I would much rather see a million Chad march.

More flailing arms.

No, their arms would all be around their neighbors' shoulders, in a show of welcoming camaraderie.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Plan backfires when audiences everywhere like Chad.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Brother Entropy posted:

it's incredible how much internet porn has hosed up how these guys think the world works

They're just the most extreme case, but porn is definitely affecting everyone. Not even just porn but increasingly normal television as well. There's nothing wrong with showing healthy sex lives, but for an increasingly isolated population, seeing the TV people getting laid constantly can lead to them feeling like there's something wrong with them (not referring to incels here.)

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Mr. Unlucky posted:

everyone wants to pretend life isn't a competition and we're not stupid loving animals anymore

good joke

I mean it isn't really, though we are all clearly still dumb apes.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

green chicken feet posted:

The recurring theme of self-ownage is the sunny side of the incel tragedy.

Well you can't be owned by someone else if you own yourself.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

PetraCore posted:

The automod is hilariously stupid.

Their automod is the crab with the biggest claws.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Yeah they're a group of people who define themselves by being outcasts, and as that is the only identity they feel, they can't stand any threat to it.

Also they're misogynists and deeply fear women.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Wouldn't Jesus banging prostitutes be seen by them as 'cope'?

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010


So wait, knowing anything about women won't help them get laid, but they supposedly read "peer reviewed articles" (read: reddit posts) all about them?

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

I wonder now what they think about matrilineal societies and studies showing that girls raised in them perform equally or better on various tests than boys, if I'm remembering correctly.

But I also probably already know the answer.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

I think you will find that because they know nothing at all about the subject they are the only ones who can be truly unbiased and objective. I am certain someone has made that argument.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

LanceHunter posted:

Saw a random friend share this on Facebook. One of over 8k people who did. Incels are idiots, but the toxic poo poo they wallow in is definitely all over our culture.



It's more that they take what's in our culture to illogical extremes.

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chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

A mgtow chooses to waste their life in mmos. An incel is made to.

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