SDF is 30 years old!

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eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Mike-o posted:

Living Computer Museum in Seattle has a bunch of old systems you can request access to. Their PDP-11/70 is named Miss Piggy

what about their XKL TOAD-1

who the gently caress decided that was something reasonable to base a router on

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eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

that's what I hear

# ¿ Jul 2, 2017 19:43

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

because of course when they decided to write a new OS, they decided to keep targeting their clone of an also-ran 1970s extension of a 1960s minicomputer architecture

instead of, say, ARM, AARCH64, or x86-64

# ¿ Jul 3, 2017 09:34

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

vi was a visual mode hastily grafted to a text editor meant for teletypes

vim was an attempt to re-write vi for amiga computers. this was arguably not a very good idea.

i don't know how either one remains relevant today in the year two thousand and seventeen

# ¿ Jul 5, 2017 03:51

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

the original lisp machines were single-user workstations in a network environment. a lispM was the ultimate luxury for programmers. but nobody could afford one

I so wish Symbolics (or TI/LMI) would've hopped on the 68020 or 80386 train in the mid-1980s, no matter how nice they are a LispM is a royal pain to keep running

the OpenGenera Virtual Lisp Machine (aka VLM, for Alpha and ported to x86-64 Linux and macOS with X11) is better but still very constrained by trying to emulate the weird-rear end and grossly underspecified Ivory hardware rather than run natively either as a process or on bare hardware

Symbolics even had a product, CLOE, for delivering on i386 hardware (under DOS and later Windows, with 8-16MB of RAM minimum, in the late 1980s�) after developing on LispM but they apparently never ported the tools or user environment beyond the bare bones

(I should really pick some more folks� brains about that)

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gnu emacs, and gosling emacs before it, were crude attempts to re-create the lispM os + environment on top of unix, so you could have a taste of luxury on $10,000 workstations instead of $60,000 workstations

the lispMs are dead and gone but gnu emacs is still with us

they honestly weren't even attempts to clone the LispM environment, not even the relatively primitive CADR/LMI environments much less the Symbolics Genera or later TI Explorer environments

they were much more attempts to clone the TOPS-20/ITS and Multics terminal-based emacs environments

the only real attempts to replicate the LispM environment on commodity hardware were Coral Common Lisp on the Mac and Lucid Common Lisp on Unix, and only the former was remotely successful (in the sense that it was sold and supported commercially until about 2006)

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